General theory thread and motives rehashed #5

[Chablis]

One thing I've noticed about Tommy, is he admits to a little and leaves out a lot. When he said that he banged on the trailer door, I knew that wasn't the full story. I 'knew', that he had gone in that trailer...otherwise, he wouldn't have admitted going to the door. IMO, he never tells the full story, and seems to hold things back, in an attempt to minimize his own involvement. Anyway, IMO, Misty may have been doing this too...admitted to being gone 'for a few minutes', when in actuality, she was gone, much longer. MOO

Except no one has come forward to say they gave her a ride, and no one has admitted being with her. The fact really is, this case the complete truth is known by one person and hes being housed with a new Nazi tattoo. You can not have 10 people involved and expect it to be as quiet as it has. The secret will die with Ron, unless he gets a sweet plea bargain with probation and out of prison early with smoking privileges for what he did to his daughter. Ron is not in prison because he was so honorable to take himself out of society if it meant Misty done got caught, so many Ron supporters try to mold this into some mercy lockup, Ron is not selfless, had he been selfless he would have not stolen his kids out of spite because Crystal didn't want anything to do with him anymore. And now look at him, he had a chance to turn his life around and be the man his son (s) who he still had needed him to be, but he chose to run around with some young thing sporting fresh ink on her lower back, dealing drugs and threatening people, knowing he was probably under mega surveillance.

I cringe thinking what Haleighs last weekend on earth was like with a manic drug addicted frantic father all drugged up and devastated over his teen paramour, I can only imagine what he took out on those helpless kids.

jmo

 

[mkay882]

One thing I've noticed about Tommy, is he admits to a little and leaves out a lot. When he said that he banged on the trailer door, I knew that wasn't the full story. I 'knew', that he had gone in that trailer...otherwise, he wouldn't have admitted going to the door. IMO, he never tells the full story, and seems to hold things back, in an attempt to minimize his own involvement. Anyway, IMO, Misty may have been doing this too...admitted to being gone 'for a few minutes', when in actuality, she was gone, much longer. MOO

May be why Misty is the 'key'. Telling lies.
Like where she was, when she left and returned, what time she actually knew HaLeigh was missing, who visited and how late, etc.

Tommy is a suspect because he admitted to being there and the story of the river/gator dump.
IMO he passed that part of the LDT (dump/gator site) and LE knows where HaLeigh died.

May be why his wife dumped him so quick after the LDT.

 

[4Jacy]

IIRC it was reported Misty was outside with Tommy and the kids around 5:00, smoking grass, watching the children play. I believe she said that later that night she went outside to smoke a cigarette. Seems like two different times, before dinner and while the children were watching movies or sleeping.

 

[mkay882]

"Outside" where would be my question?
Tommy's? Her yard?

 

[dodie20]

May be why Misty is the 'key'. Telling lies.
Like where she was, when she left and returned, what time she actually knew HaLeigh was missing, who visited and how late, etc.

Tommy is a suspect because he admitted to being there and the story of the river/gator dump.
IMO he passed that part of the LDT (dump/gator site) and LE knows where HaLeigh died.

May be why his wife dumped him so quick after the LDT.

Tommy claimed he was asked only 1 question. He was telling this to LC, and was trying to downplay the whole thing, so who knows if he was telling the truth. IMO, if he really was asked just 1 question, it was because he saw where the interview was going, and refused to continue. Is it reasonable to think a LDT interviewer, showed up with just 1 question? I don't think so. But if there really was just 1 question, and he failed it, he didn't pass any part of the test. I don't have any idea what that 1 question could have been, but if it was something like, 'Was Haleigh dumped in the St John's River?', and then he replied with a 'No'...I can see how even a failed question, would support the search. MOO

 

[dodie20]

If I remember correctly, Tommy seemed real uptight about that test. He didn't want to talk to LC about it, and came up with some excuse. But, at other times, his whole demeanor was different. When he talked to his gm, and said that he was going to do something, he should've done a long time ago, I didn't believe him. He sounded fake. After all this time, he was showing compassion? It was very unbelievable, after listening to his earlier recordings. IMO, he would have been more convincing, if he had been matter of fact and business-like, about doing what he had to do, to get out of jail. Also, his excuse of being threatened and made to go with JO, didn't ring true. He and Misty could have overpowered JO...just grabbed his gun and knife, while he was toting the black bag. (omg, so unbelievable). When JO was driving, where was the knife, the gun, and the black bag? Tommy's tale of fearing for his kids, was also a lie, IMO. Did he fear for his kids, when he was passed out cold at the bus stop? When he was arrested for fighting with his dad, (threw a bag of dvds), it was reported that his son was scared of HIM, and didn't want his him to take him to school. Anyway, what it looks like IMO, is after Tommy failed the test, he manipulated details, to minimize his involvement. IMO, he was floored, when he realized that LE didn't take his word, and run and arrest JO. IMO, he thought he was calling the shots. When he found out he wasn't, he clammed up. MOO.

 

[titanfan62702]

If I remember correctly, Tommy seemed real uptight about that test. He didn't want to talk to LC about it, and came up with some excuse. But, at other times, his whole demeanor was different. When he talked to his gm, and said that he was going to do something, he should've done a long time ago, I didn't believe him. He sounded fake. After all this time, he was showing compassion? It was very unbelievable, after listening to his earlier recordings. IMO, he would have been more convincing, if he had been matter of fact and business-like, about doing what he had to do, to get out of jail. Also, his excuse of being threatened and made to go with JO, didn't ring true. He and Misty could have overpowered JO...just grabbed his gun and knife, while he was toting the black bag. (omg, so unbelievable). When JO was driving, where was the knife, the gun, and the black bag? Tommy's tale of fearing for his kids, was also a lie, IMO. Did he fear for his kids, when he was passed out cold at the bus stop? When he was arrested for fighting with his dad, (threw a bag of dvds), it was reported that his son was scared of HIM, and didn't want his him to take him to school. Anyway, what it looks like IMO, is after Tommy failed the test, he manipulated details, to minimize his involvement. IMO, he was floored, when he realized that LE didn't take his word, and run and arrest JO. IMO, he thought he was calling the shots. When he found out he wasn't, he clammed up. MOO.

I still believe that story was made up at the Croslin's kitchen table in case they got caught or questioned. And it was Flo, not Tommy, that said Joe. Tommy just "agreed".

 

[dodie20]

I still believe that story was made up at the Croslin's kitchen table in case they got caught or questioned. And it was Flo, not Tommy, that said Joe. Tommy just "agreed".

IMO, he did a lot more than just agree. According to Art Harris sources, this was Tommy's story, and he convinced his sister to go along. Even if Art's sources are wrong, Tommy has had plenty of time to recant or say he let his gm sway him. Tommy's own lawyer said that Tommy was behind the tip, that led to the search...not FH, Misty, or anybody else. And if Tommy was talking about somebody besides JO, he could have disagreed just as easily as he agreed. I think it's more than a little telling, that he hasn't recanted. IMO, some kind of evidence, has locked him into this story. IMO, if he recants, he'll be forced to explain that evidence...something IMO, he, isn't willing to do. For the time being, anyway.

 

[4Jacy]

I still believe that story was made up at the Croslin's kitchen table in case they got caught or questioned. And it was Flo, not Tommy, that said Joe. Tommy just "agreed".

Not to be disrespectful, but we are talk about a deceased lady, and most of us found her to be extremely truthful.

 

[mkay882]

IMO Tommy may have been about to take responsibility for his actions until Ms Hollars stepped in and gave him another out by inserting Joe's name.. The rest is history.

 

[dodie20]

IMO Tommy may have been about to take responsibility for his actions until Ms Hollars stepped in and gave him another out by inserting Joe's name.. The rest is history.

Honestly, I find that hard to believe. IMO, he put on an act of how he thought someone, who had been scared, was supposed to act. IMO, the only thing that scares him, is the fear of being found out. Misty reportedly told LE to talk to Tommy, because he knew everything. If he had been covering for her, this was the time to spill his secrets. She gave him permission, and a shove in that direction. I don't understand Misty, but if She's the guilty one, why didn't Tommy say so? What it looks like to me, is that they are both guilty of something, and Misty couldn't/wouldn't confess her part, and she wanted Tommy to do it. But, because of his own role, he refused to go there. After comparing their behavior, Tommy, IMO, has more to lose than Misty.

 

[Chablis]

Yet, Misty has more time than Tommy.

 

[mkay882]

Yet, Misty has more time than Tommy.

True. So far.
IMO Tommy will be charged with murder before he ever sees freedom.

 

[Chablis]

True. So far.
IMO Tommy will be charged with murder before he ever sees freedom.

Nah, if they had anything on him he would have been charged already. Whatever anyone did there is no evidence left, until they a corpse, but I am 100 percent sure Ron done hid her well.

jmo

 

[dodie20]

Nah, if they had anything on him he would have been charged already. Whatever anyone did there is no evidence left, until they a corpse, but I am 100 percent sure Ron done hid her well.

jmo

I used to think RC was guilty of something, but I'm not so sure anymore. Hearing certain people defend him, made me think that they had inside sources, and knew something I didn't. But, if he's not guilty, I do believe he has hindered the investigation...either to cover for Misty, or to hide his lifestyle, or a combination of the 2. I'm not 100% committed to a single theory. IMO, it depends on why there are still so many stories concerning the bus stop. Also, when I look at all of their benavior, I can't think of a logical reason for Tommy or CC to protect RC. IMO, he doesn't wield that kind of power over them, and they've never acted scared of him. IMO, they all act like this is their own family thing, that doesn't concern RC. MOO, but that's the impression Misty and CC's jail recording, left me with. But, I strongly believe that RC was targeted, just like Misty and Tommy, so we'll see what happens. No matter who is finally charged, I won't be surprised. I think Tommy acts like a guilty man, but that's just an opinion, based on what I personally know about human nature. There may be outside reasons, that we don't have a clue about, that could explain his behavior.

 

[mkay882]

Once LE moved on from Ron I no longer suspected him of harming HaLeigh.

I could (maybe) see Tommy and/or Misty covering for Ron in the first days and weeks.
No way do I think Ron was important enough to either of them to continue to 'protect' him and sit in jail because he was so well liked/loved/feared.

Tommy is a suspect for a reason.
I may not know that reason but apparently the Florida States Attorney does and that's good enough for me.

 

[dodie20]

Well, for starters, Tommy put himself at the murder scene and disposal. If he lied, he still hasn't explained why. He reportedly failed a LDT. He put himself in the trailer, several different times, including at what seems to be a crucial time...around 10 pm. Misty pointed at him, more than once, but he didn't do much in the way of defending himself. He called her a liar, but never proved it. He could have taken a LDT to prove where he really was and what he was really doing. He lived very close to RC's trailer, and it has been reported, that he walked around the neighborhood, alone at night. His wife alibied him, but her stories don't jibe with his own stories. He has admitted that he didn't go to work that day, and has also said he was so high that night, that he passed in and out of consciousness. His stories and times, have changed over and over. He has clammed up, and said he won't cooperate with investigators. These are some things that IMO, point to Tommy being a suspect. There are other things, that aren't quite as cut and dried, but still look suspicious...the yellow rope, the '1st 911', RC denying that he asked him to go to the trailer, the report of him coaching Misty on the JO story. None of this is concrete, but at the least, it all points to him not being at home, cooking dinner, sleeping, etc...and why would he lie about being home? His wife told him she threw away his work boots...which may or may not be significant, but she should have offered them to LE 1st. Anyway, I'm sure this isn't all. There are phone records and maybe DNA, eyewitness account, etc...that we don't know about. All Moo.

 

[dodie20]

There are some other things that point to Tommy being a suspect, IMO, but they are intangibles and hard to explain. For instance...when he was on the phone with his gm, he sounded fake, IMO, and I didn't believe him at all. Tommy's contrition and sorrow, were nothing but a put on, IMO. At one point, his wife was on another line, and she asked if Tommy was 'the one'. IMO, her asking that question, spoke volumes. Also, during jail tapes, there were times, especially when Haleigh was mentioned, that IMO, he showed a suppressed anger. I also heard this when his mother brought up the couch. When he realized that JO wasn't being arrested on his word, his demeanor changed again. The fake contrition and sorrow disappeared, and he seemed shocked, IMO.

 

[mkay882]

Well, for starters, Tommy put himself at the murder scene and disposal. If he lied, he still hasn't explained why. He reportedly failed a LDT. He put himself in the trailer, several different times, including at what seems to be a crucial time...around 10 pm. Misty pointed at him, more than once, but he didn't do much in the way of defending himself. He called her a liar, but never proved it. He could have taken a LDT to prove where he really was and what he was really doing. He lived very close to RC's trailer, and it has been reported, that he walked around the neighborhood, alone at night. His wife alibied him, but her stories don't jibe with his own stories. He has admitted that he didn't go to work that day, and has also said he was so high that night, that he passed in and out of consciousness. His stories and times, have changed over and over. He has clammed up, and said he won't cooperate with investigators. These are some things that IMO, point to Tommy being a suspect. There are other things, that aren't quite as cut and dried, but still look suspicious...the yellow rope, the '1st 911', RC denying that he asked him to go to the trailer, the report of him coaching Misty on the JO story. None of this is concrete, but at the least, it all points to him not being at home, cooking dinner, sleeping, etc...and why would he lie about being home? His wife told him she threw away his work boots...which may or may not be significant, but she should have offered them to LE 1st. Anyway, I'm sure this isn't all. There are phone records and maybe DNA, eyewitness account, etc...that we don't know about. All Moo.

Excellent, well thought out points.

 

[SmoothOperator]

MOO Lindsy has known in her heart since the very first that Tommy was involved.. She knew it but at that time didn't know to what extent(IMO hoping it was only in helping his sister, Misty).. MOO Lindsy figured it out along the way in her heart she knew it wasnt just helping.. She knew it in her heart in many of the calls and visits and IMO statements were made by her for no other reason but to attempt to confirm it in her head what she knew in her heart.. That day came when she met with the investigators/ his lawyers the afternoon before picking up the kids from school.. She was heartbroken and finally knew in her head what her heart knew all along.. She refused his calls and the very next communication btwn them was the one we heard facilitated by Flo, where she tells Flo to ask Tommy was it him?? She's known and once her head caught up with what her heart knew all along(and some may believe that to be backwards as in head before heard.. But this IMO).. She divorced him.. I believe she cares for him and believes him to be a good person that just really messed up with drugs did something horrible.. I don't believe that personally as I believe Tommy isn't at all what he appears to be.. He's much colder than what many believe IMO..

IMO you're absolutely correct in that Lindsy alibied him, as well as she seemed to question him as well.. IMO it was very hard to come to grips with, but she knows it both in heart and her head that her children's father is at the very heart of what happened to Haleigh and she did what she felt was best for her kids and divorced him and has moved on.. Jmo