General theory thread and motives rehashed #5

[CIFL]

It has always been my belief that the guilty are in prison. Ron, Misty, Hope, and Timmy. Folks seem to forget about Hope. She knows I think and may have even been involved. I have always believed that some family members know what happened. Some day maybe years from now, one of them will sell their story. In my opinion.

 

[lil momma]

Just throwing my 2 cents in here...there had to be a reason why TN kept calling and begging Misty to come and babysit. She even offered to pay her and Misty kept saying she didn't want to babysit. After all, TN knew RC and Misty had broken up and I'm sure she was aware that Misty's father had been in a terrible accident and was in the hospital at that time. Why was TN so desparate to get Misty to come and babysit?

Hi Snowbunny!

IMO, the reason TN kept calling Misty to babysit, is b/c she knew Ron had no one to watch the children. It has been stated that Ron in times of desperation had locked the children in his car in the parking lot of his job....could be rumor, may not be... I also wouldn't be surprised if he locked the children in the MH and left them there, maybe in a drugged state.JMO. Also, there has to be good reason for the insistance on the back door being locked. He checks it every afternoon before he went to work to make sure it was locked. He claimed that they never used that door. (except to clean the car) but my mind tells me that if they never used the door then why have to check if it is locked everyday?

In one of my theories Ron locked the children in the MH and HaLeigh got into his drugs. When TN stated she sent a family member over to the MH that night, i think it was Hope, and i think Hope was the one who called GGS or even her mother, who called GGS. I think Hope was the one to find HaLeigh deceased. I think the mattress that was on the floor in the bedroom is most likey the mattress from JR's bed, which, IMO, is the reason why we never got to see a room for JR. HaLeigh mattress being disposed somewhere to hide ANY DNA evidence that might be on it. As far as Misty, i just don't think she was there that night. Even though the LD tests show deception, could it be because she was told what to say and can't get the story straight, that would explain Ron's knowledge of events that took place that night, and his constant correction of Misty during several interviews.

I have several other theories, but none of them fit with the behavior of the players sitting in prison at the moment.

 

[lil momma]

I think if Haleigh had died in the mobile home, LE would have detected it some how, and declared the trailer the crime scene. Also, even if they didn't want to jump to the conclusion of murder, they would have been clear about not looking for a live Haleigh. I do think LE can detect death, can't they? Wouldn't the dogs have hit inside the house? which brings up the dumpster hits. Sometimes I think it's the things that LE has seemingly disregarded, that are the most important...like the dumpster hit and the oxycontin od letter. I remember them saying that the pond search had nothing to do with Haleigh, and that it was a training exercise or something. Well, it was Haleigh related, and that incident makes me wonder how often they downplay and deny important clues. I also remember them saying that an interview with Tommy, had nothing to do with the search, and the timing was coincidental. Now, I wonder.JMO

Hi dodie!

BBM

I do believe LE can detect death, if there is sufficient DNA evidence....lets say that the mattress that HaLeigh was originally on that night, was disposed of along with the bedding that was on the mattress that evening. Lets just say it was thrown in a dumpster miles away. the dogs wouldn't hit on it b/c it isn't present in the MH. LE wouldn't have searched that dumpster, for any specific reason. (although they should have checked every single dumpster in the entire area, IMO)

I do agree with you about LE disregarding items in the search, or even disgarding of items during their searches. I also agree that LE has downplayed a LOT in regards to HaLeigh's case. I do believe however, that is done as a tactic to let the perp trip up-so to speak-give them a rope they will hang themselves. I think they wanted Ron to go on national TV and tell his story, as well as Misty, and TN and GGS. If it turns out they all covered up the death of HaLeigh, ALL of those interviews are evidence against them. it only makes the case stronger for the prosecution. Now, whether or not that is the reason LE has been so mum, i don't know, but it makes perfect sence in my mind.

JMO

 

[titanfan62702]

Hi Snowbunny!

IMO, the reason TN kept calling Misty to babysit, is b/c she knew Ron had no one to watch the children. It has been stated that Ron in times of desperation had locked the children in his car in the parking lot of his job....could be rumor, may not be... I also wouldn't be surprised if he locked the children in the MH and left them there, maybe in a drugged state.JMO. Also, there has to be good reason for the insistance on the back door being locked. He checks it every afternoon before he went to work to make sure it was locked. He claimed that they never used that door. (except to clean the car) but my mind tells me that if they never used the door then why have to check if it is locked everyday?

In one of my theories Ron locked the children in the MH and HaLeigh got into his drugs. When TN stated she sent a family member over to the MH that night, i think it was Hope, and i think Hope was the one who called GGS or even her mother, who called GGS. I think Hope was the one to find HaLeigh deceased. I think the mattress that was on the floor in the bedroom is most likey the mattress from JR's bed, which, IMO, is the reason why we never got to see a room for JR. HaLeigh mattress being disposed somewhere to hide ANY DNA evidence that might be on it. As far as Misty, i just don't think she was there that night. Even though the LD tests show deception, could it be because she was told what to say and can't get the story straight, that would explain Ron's knowledge of events that took place that night, and his constant correction of Misty during several interviews.

I have several other theories, but none of them fit with the behavior of the players sitting in prison at the moment.

Not Snowbunny but would like to jump in.

I really hadn't thought that Hope might have "sent" to check, I do believe she was the cousin that was/wasn't there and that was an attempt to keep her out of the story. When the questions started about the relative GGS volunteered thinking everyone would believe the little ol' lady story but she also has had trouble getting the story straight. Her green beans arrived too late to be believable.

Also, I've not discounted that TN was there earlier than she has admitted to. LE said she was and that was never retracted. And her wherabouts that night have sure been kept a mystery.

As far as the mattress, what you wrote is making sense. They got rid of HaLeigh's mattress and then questions started coming how anyone could snatch her in the same bed as Misty & Junior. Oops. So they brought in another mattress. Only problem is -- was it there already when the police originally showed up.

Oh regarding what some keep calling rumors that didn't happen. In general, where's there is smoke there is fire, and I cannot believe that there are that many people that just pick on Ron and his family by making up stuff. There are some things that just can't be made it, and I believe the children in the car, the begging, the refusal to pay at restaurants, the taking from donation jars, trying to get Misty to babysit no matter what, all fit in that category. Nobody can make those things up.

Another question -- would getting rid of the mattress have totally gotten rid of any odor etc from HaLeigh's death? Maybe I should watch CSI etc.

 

[titanfan62702]

I'm thinking that Ronald would have been more messed up than Misty. He is the one who threw Misty out but I'm betting that he immediately started calling her and tried to find her to drag her back to his MH. He is the one who was most likely stoned and drunk the entire time that Misty was not there. He likely didn't get any sleep during this time either. A walking time bomb, ticking away, ready to blow at the slightest provocation. He had to be totally pizzzzzzzed that Misty wasn't pinning away begging him to come back. Misty didn't seem to have the same problem as Ronald did with the big breakup. Misty has learned to just go with the flow. Ronald was a powder keg. I can only imagine how he interacted with the children in his state of mind. I've always thought that Misty probably slept the day away that Sunday after getting home at 4:00 am and most likely caught up with her sleep on that Monday.

Misty got home at 4 a.m. Sunday?? Whose home?

 

[lil momma]

Not Snowbunny but would like to jump in.

I really hadn't thought that Hope might have "sent" to check, I do believe she was the cousin that was/wasn't there and that was an attempt to keep her out of the story. When the questions started about the relative GGS volunteered thinking everyone would believe the little ol' lady story but she also has had trouble getting the story straight. Her green beans arrived too late to be believable.

Also, I've not discounted that TN was there earlier than she has admitted to. LE said she was and that was never retracted. And her wherabouts that night have sure been kept a mystery.

As far as the mattress, what you wrote is making sense. They got rid of HaLeigh's mattress and then questions started coming how anyone could snatch her in the same bed as Misty & Junior. Oops. So they brought in another mattress. Only problem is -- was it there already when the police originally showed up.

Oh regarding what some keep calling rumors that didn't happen. In general, where's there is smoke there is fire, and I cannot believe that there are that many people that just pick on Ron and his family by making up stuff. There are some things that just can't be made it, and I believe the children in the car, the begging, the refusal to pay at restaurants, the taking from donation jars, trying to get Misty to babysit no matter what, all fit in that category. Nobody can make those things up.

Another question -- would getting rid of the mattress have totally gotten rid of any odor etc from HaLeigh's death? Maybe I should watch CSI etc.

Hi titian!

Hashing it out is all i am doing...lol....jumping in is good

BBM

I don't really know, but it sure made sense when i thought about it. I think maybe if she was removed before she started to decompose, maybe there wouldn't be a smell? How long after she was reported missing were the dogs in the home? Were the dogs even in the home at all? I recall there being sheets placed on the ramps outside the home for the dogs to smell, and i never understood that, simply because the wind would make the scent travel....and if there were little hairs on the sheet that didn't belong to anyone in the home, they are now gone b/c they removed the sheet from the interior of the home. I always thought they would get HaLeigh scent from her bedroom somewhere, or maybe from her shoes or something. I just can't recall them being IN the home with the dogs. (i could be wrong, but if someone had a link, it will make me re work it...lol)

i think that MH was staged FAR before LE arrived.

I also agree about the rumors!!!!!

JMO

ETA: I never gave it thought if the beds were positioned that way when LE first arrived that early morning, but they would be PRETTY dumb to not have it like that, and then change it and have a walk through with Marlana from NG, and video evidence of the scene not being the way it was for LE. That ALONE would give them away to LE...and maybe it did. IDK. But now i need to re think this..lol

 

[titanfan62702]

Hi titian!

Hashing it out is all i am doing...lol....jumping in is good

BBM

I don't really know, but it sure made sense when i thought about it. I think maybe if she was removed before she started to decompose, maybe there wouldn't be a smell? How long after she was reported missing were the dogs in the home? Were the dogs even in the home at all? I recall there being sheets placed on the ramps outside the home for the dogs to smell, and i never understood that, simply because the wind would make the scent travel....and if there were little hairs on the sheet that didn't belong to anyone in the home, they are now gone b/c they removed the sheet from the interior of the home. I always thought they would get HaLeigh scent from her bedroom somewhere, or maybe from her shoes or something. I just can't recall them being IN the home with the dogs. (i could be wrong, but if someone had a link, it will make me re work it...lol)

i think that MH was staged FAR before LE arrived.

I also agree about the rumors!!!!!

JMO

ETA: I never gave it thought if the beds were positioned that way when LE first arrived that early morning, but they would be PRETTY dumb to not have it like that, and then change it and have a walk through with Marlana from NG, and video evidence of the scene not being the way it was for LE. That ALONE would give them away to LE...and maybe it did. IDK. But now i need to re think this..lol

While you're right that the place should have been staged the same for LE and the walk-through, it would not surprise me if something was changed and another excuse given. It sure wouldn't be the only part of the story with multiple versions. Ron has already said HaLeigh was sleeping in at least 2 different places, and he claimed not to be there.

I still have serious doubts that HaLeigh was anywhere near that mh after she left school.

 

[lil momma]

While you're right that the place should have been staged the same for LE and the walk-through, it would not surprise me if something was changed and another excuse given. It sure wouldn't be the only part of the story with multiple versions. Ron has already said HaLeigh was sleeping in at least 2 different places, and he claimed not to be there.

I still have serious doubts that HaLeigh was anywhere near that mh after she left school.

BBM

ANYTHING and i mean anything is possible, this isn't the only theory i have but the one that makes the most sense to me, and includes all the behavior...the behavior of those sitting in prison right now and those who aren't sitting in prison, is something i can't overlook. JMO

 

[mkay882]

Hi titian!

Hashing it out is all i am doing...lol....jumping in is good

BBM

I don't really know, but it sure made sense when i thought about it. I think maybe if she was removed before she started to decompose, maybe there wouldn't be a smell? How long after she was reported missing were the dogs in the home? Were the dogs even in the home at all? I recall there being sheets placed on the ramps outside the home for the dogs to smell, and i never understood that, simply because the wind would make the scent travel....and if there were little hairs on the sheet that didn't belong to anyone in the home, they are now gone b/c they removed the sheet from the interior of the home. I always thought they would get HaLeigh scent from her bedroom somewhere, or maybe from her shoes or something. I just can't recall them being IN the home with the dogs. (i could be wrong, but if someone had a link, it will make me re work it...lol)

i think that MH was staged FAR before LE arrived.

I also agree about the rumors!!!!!

JMO

ETA: I never gave it thought if the beds were positioned that way when LE first arrived that early morning, but they would be PRETTY dumb to not have it like that, and then change it and have a walk through with Marlana from NG, and video evidence of the scene not being the way it was for LE. That ALONE would give them away to LE...and maybe it did. IDK. But now i need to re think this..lol

Part 6 of transcripts.

911 call part 6

Sierra 1120 to 1271
1120 to 1271

1271 - go ahead sir
S1120 - Stay at the residence - maintain that point of exit - reference the K9 do another thorough search from inside the house

1271 - that's 10-4

S1120 to 1256
1256 - go ahead Sarge
S1120 - are you back at the house?
1256 - 10-4
S11120 - 10-4? or 10-54? (was that yes or no?)
1256 - 10-4 I'm back at Green Ln

S1120 - 10-4 GO AHEAD AND GATHER AS MUCH INFORMATION AS YOU CAN ABOUT ANY FAMILY OR ANYTHING AROUND HERE AND GO AHEAD AND CALL HER IN AND GET HER REPORTED SIGNAL 8
1256 10-4 IT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE SARGE

 

[titanfan62702]

BBM

ANYTHING and i mean anything is possible, this isn't the only theory i have but the one that makes the most sense to me, and includes all the behavior...the behavior of those sitting in prison right now and those who aren't sitting in prison, is something i can't overlook. JMO

One thing that keeps coming back to me was 'no evidence' of a crime at the mh. In looking at the players, I just don't see anyone that smart and actually it looked like they tried to make it a crime scene.

 

[lil momma]

One thing that keeps coming back to me was 'no evidence' of a crime at the mh. In looking at the players, I just don't see anyone that smart and actually it looked like they tried to make it a crime scene.

lol, i tend to give people too much credit...lol. well there goes that one. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

 

[lil momma]

Part 6 of transcripts.

911 call part 6

Sierra 1120 to 1271
1120 to 1271

1271 - go ahead sir
S1120 - Stay at the residence - maintain that point of exit - reference the K9 do another thorough search from inside the house

Respectfully snipped

Thank You mkay! :blowkiss:

 

[Snowbunny]

Hi Snowbunny!

IMO, the reason TN kept calling Misty to babysit, is b/c she knew Ron had no one to watch the children. It has been stated that Ron in times of desperation had locked the children in his car in the parking lot of his job....could be rumor, may not be... I also wouldn't be surprised if he locked the children in the MH and left them there, maybe in a drugged state.JMO. Also, there has to be good reason for the insistance on the back door being locked. He checks it every afternoon before he went to work to make sure it was locked. He claimed that they never used that door. (except to clean the car) but my mind tells me that if they never used the door then why have to check if it is locked everyday?

In one of my theories Ron locked the children in the MH and HaLeigh got into his drugs. When TN stated she sent a family member over to the MH that night, i think it was Hope, and i think Hope was the one who called GGS or even her mother, who called GGS. I think Hope was the one to find HaLeigh deceased. I think the mattress that was on the floor in the bedroom is most likey the mattress from JR's bed, which, IMO, is the reason why we never got to see a room for JR. HaLeigh mattress being disposed somewhere to hide ANY DNA evidence that might be on it. As far as Misty, i just don't think she was there that night. Even though the LD tests show deception, could it be because she was told what to say and can't get the story straight, that would explain Ron's knowledge of events that took place that night, and his constant correction of Misty during several interviews.

I have several other theories, but none of them fit with the behavior of the players sitting in prison at the moment.

I had never given it any thought that Hope might have been at the scene but that would make sense come to think of it. I always thought it was quite possible that RC gave both kids a sedative to knock them out and then locked them in the MH alone so he could go to work and considering HaLeigh's medical condition she may have had an allergic reaction to a sedative. I've always been a firm believer that Misty wasn't at the MH until the early morning hours when a neighbor saw her out side crying and on her cell phone. That's when I figured Misty found out about HaLeigh. I don't believe Misty nor Tommy had anything to do with this except for being put into a position to help cover RC. The 90+ calls that RC made to Misty phone may have been his deparate attempt to call her for help under the circumstances and if they were still fighting then maybe Misty didn't answer her phone since it was said Misty turned off her phone. I could see her answering a call from Hope since they were friends. Now this scenario fits RC's reaction to everything.

I'm also a firm believer that the MH was staged and I've always believed that GGM Sykes, TN and RC know what happened to HaLeigh and it was planned that Misty and company would be the ones to take the fall. I will go out on the limb here and say that I don't think it was RC's planning to cause any harm to HaLeigh, but the cover up was an attempt to keep from losing Jr and cover himself for leaving those kids alone in the first place. I also believe RC married Misty to keep from being charged with statitory rape for having sex with a minor.

 

[lonetraveler]

Hi Snowbunny!

IMO, the reason TN kept calling Misty to babysit, is b/c she knew Ron had no one to watch the children. It has been stated that Ron in times of desperation had locked the children in his car in the parking lot of his job....could be rumor, may not be... I also wouldn't be surprised if he locked the children in the MH and left them there, maybe in a drugged state.JMO. Also, there has to be good reason for the insistance on the back door being locked. He checks it every afternoon before he went to work to make sure it was locked. He claimed that they never used that door. (except to clean the car) but my mind tells me that if they never used the door then why have to check if it is locked everyday?

In one of my theories Ron locked the children in the MH and HaLeigh got into his drugs. When TN stated she sent a family member over to the MH that night, i think it was Hope, and i think Hope was the one who called GGS or even her mother, who called GGS. I think Hope was the one to find HaLeigh deceased. I think the mattress that was on the floor in the bedroom is most likey the mattress from JR's bed, which, IMO, is the reason why we never got to see a room for JR. HaLeigh mattress being disposed somewhere to hide ANY DNA evidence that might be on it. As far as Misty, i just don't think she was there that night. Even though the LD tests show deception, could it be because she was told what to say and can't get the story straight, that would explain Ron's knowledge of events that took place that night, and his constant correction of Misty during several interviews.

I have several other theories, but none of them fit with the behavior of the players sitting in prison at the moment.

:goodpost::Banane10:

 

[lonetraveler]

I had never given it any thought that Hope might have been at the scene but that would make sense come to think of it. I always thought it was quite possible that RC gave both kids a sedative to knock them out and then locked them in the MH alone so he could go to work and considering HaLeigh's medical condition she may have had an allergic reaction to a sedative. I've always been a firm believer that Misty wasn't at the MH until the early morning hours when a neighbor saw her out side crying and on her cell phone. That's when I figured Misty found out about HaLeigh. I don't believe Misty nor Tommy had anything to do with this except for being put into a position to help cover RC. The 90+ calls that RC made to Misty phone may have been his deparate attempt to call her for help under the circumstances and if they were still fighting then maybe Misty didn't answer her phone since it was said Misty turned off her phone. I could see her answering a call from Hope since they were friends. Now this scenario fits RC's reaction to everything.

I'm also a firm believer that the MH was staged and I've always believed that GGM Sykes, TN and RC know what happened to HaLeigh and it was planned that Misty and company would be the ones to take the fall. I will go out on the limb here and say that I don't think it was RC's planning to cause any harm to HaLeigh, but the cover up was an attempt to keep from losing Jr and cover himself for leaving those kids alone in the first place. I also believe RC married Misty to keep from being charged with statitory rape for having sex with a minor.

What???????? How did you read my mind????????? I totally agree with your theory. It sure would be nice to know what the phone records look like for the rest of the Sykes, Cummings and Neves part of the family.

 

[Flossie JMO]

Where is the link for the Chef Boyardee (sp?) comment from LE or family? Not fact when from family unfortunately, regardless of who it is.

JMO and iirc, it came from Cobra, clearly not a fact JMO, and I don't think we want to open THAT door! He has said a LOT of stuff! Let me know, I can participate either way. Thanks

 

[titanfan62702]

Where is the link for the Chef Boyardee (sp?) comment from LE or family? Not fact when from family unfortunately, regardless of who it is.

JMO and iirc, it came from Cobra, clearly not a fact JMO, and I don't think we want to open THAT door! He has said a LOT of stuff! Let me know, I can participate either way. Thanks

As I said on the other thread, I do not know where the Chef Boyardee came from, and it really doesn't matter, but it sure took a long time for those green beans to be part of the everchanging story.

 

[mkay882]

Respectfully snipped

Thank You mkay! :blowkiss:

You're very welcome ma'am!

 

[lonetraveler]

Misty got home at 4 a.m. Sunday?? Whose home?

http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/20/exclusive-misty-cummings-pal-nay-nay-talks/

At the 1:55 mark Nay Nay states that she dropped Misty off at her brother's house because she had to babysit the kids. She doesn't specify which brother. I'm thinking Timmy since Chelsea was driving back and forth to the hospital.

 

[Dr. Know?]

Chef Boyardee for dinner, I think came from a Cobra audio tape? Or online radio show? Along with the pair of pants that were supposedly Misty's in the garbage that Cobra said LE left behind? It's been so long ago so my apologies if I'm wrong.