George and Cindy in NC

[Horace Finklestein]

Why? Why are the Anthonys' personal finances anyone's business?

And 'ANY shopping'? Seriously? So if Cindy goes into a store and buys a tank top for $3 or a tube of toothpaste for $1.49, that's got something to do with 'blood money'? Really?



The public, in general, wouldn't know the A's if they passed them on the street. The public, in general, doesn't care where and when they shop. There's a small segment of the public who do have to know every detail about what they're doing (while at the same time proclaiming that they should be locked in their house doing nothing at all). I think that's weird, but it's also fascinating to watch.



This is America. We're all free to shop, buy new cars, take vacations, get limo rides.

It really doesn't matter whether the Anthonys do good things or not. The same people who loathe them now will continue to loathe them for all eternity. And I think that's bizarre.

I do have a very low opinion of anyone who profits off a death. I don't know if the Anthonys are doing that or not, but my guess is that in some way they are. I do know that Jeff Ashton is doing that. And so are a number of television personalities who are making money hand over fist from this, along with magazines, newspapers, publishers, and other people who will write books in the future. This tragedy and the circus that resulted from it will mean that a whole lot of folks have bigger bank accounts. It's the American way. If anything is disingenuous in this whole fiasco, it's criticizing the Anthonys for their ill-gotten gains (even though nobody even really knows what those are) while at the same time happily gobbling up what the others who are profiting from Caylee's death have to offer.

Of course we know what their ill gotten gains are - money from their sham foundation, money from licensing pictures and selling interviews. What are you talking about?

 

[peedoffinny]

Cindy did not search for a deceased Caylee because she refused to accept that Caylee could be dead. It is for that same reason that she felt anger toward Tim and anyone who searched for a dead Caylee. Casey, with all her 'clues' indicated to Cindy that people close to her were involved in Caylee's disappearance. How could Cindy ignore that while still maintaining the belief that Caylee was alive? How could she blame Casey for Caylee's disappearance when she wasn't able to accept that Caylee was gone?

I don't feel that Cindy's refusal to search for her granddaughter's dead body is in any way an excuse for the horrible way she's been treated. IMO, she couldn't cope with the reality of the situation so she created her own tolerable reality. I don't know about anyone else but in a similar situation I could not immediately accept that my beloved granddaughter was dead and that my daughter killed her. It would be a process, long and difficult. I'd probably make a few mistakes along the way too.

Does this really sound right?:

Grandmother: "No, no, no, my granddaughter is NOT dead! My daughter is NOT a killer. My granddaughter will be coming home again, we're saving her birthday presents for when that day comes."

Observer: "You disgust me, Grandmother, for having that attitude. You deserve my animosity and every horrible awful thing I can think up to say about you!!"

I have to disagree w/ you on giving Cindy a pass for her behavior. At the beginning, <modsnip> was confused and could not understand why KC was keeping Caylee away. <modsnip> felt that KC was keeping Caylee away from her for punishment and thought that she would eventually persuade KC to come back around. But....the minute she talked to KC and heard the story that 'Caylee was kidnapped', <modsnip> put the smell of the car, KC's past and present behavior, and the knowledge that Zanny never existed together and thus began the coverup and the blaming of others. <modsnip> knew, but would not admit that her daughter killed Caylee. I will never believe otherwise. Of course, that's MHOO.

 

[MarthaM]

Of course we know what their ill gotten gains are - money from their sham foundation, money from licensing pictures and selling interviews. What are you talking about?

I'm talking about facts, not gossip and myth and guesswork and innuendo.

How much money have the Anthonys made from their 'sham foundation'? How much money have they made from licensing pictures? How much money have they made from selling interviews? How much?

More importantly, why is that anyone's business anyway? And where's the outrage over everybody else who has made money from this? Why are the Anthonys the target to the point that they're criticized for even leaving their house and (gasp!) shopping, when so many others are making and will continue to make so much more off this tragedy?

 

[peedoffinny]

BBM... People chased them all around a mall???? I only saw TWO pictures taken inside a store and George and Cindy weren't even in either of the shots together.. They were SEPARATE. Have any other photos surfaced that have BOTH George and Cindy in the same photo? If they were "chased" as you say, there have to be more images beyond the 2 blurry ones of them behind clothes racks. Where are they?

I wouldn't be at all surprised if George and Cindy took pictures of each other and then called security themselves.. Just to stir things up.. Perhaps their daughter needed a diversion or something..

Hi Anakerie,
I agree. I think they saw the money that the killer made from the photos in Ohio and wanted to see if they could cash in too. I think if the pictures were from some 'stalker', that the photographer would have said something nasty to get them in a rage and then start snapping the photos. It is pretty fishy that not one photo appeared w/ them together.

 

[askfornina]

Cindy did not search for a deceased Caylee because she refused to accept that Caylee could be dead. It is for that same reason that she felt anger toward Tim and anyone who searched for a dead Caylee. Casey, with all her 'clues' indicated to Cindy that people close to her were involved in Caylee's disappearance. How could Cindy ignore that while still maintaining the belief that Caylee was alive? How could she blame Casey for Caylee's disappearance when she wasn't able to accept that Caylee was gone?

I don't feel that Cindy's refusal to search for her granddaughter's dead body is in any way an excuse for the horrible way she's been treated. IMO, she couldn't cope with the reality of the situation so she created her own tolerable reality. I don't know about anyone else but in a similar situation I could not immediately accept that my beloved granddaughter was dead and that my daughter killed her. It would be a process, long and difficult. I'd probably make a few mistakes along the way too.

Does this really sound right?:

Grandmother: "No, no, no, my granddaughter is NOT dead! My daughter is NOT a killer. My granddaughter will be coming home again, we're saving her birthday presents for when that day comes."

Observer: "You disgust me, Grandmother, for having that attitude. You deserve my animosity and every horrible awful thing I can think up to say about you!!"

i completely agree. excellent, excellent post chilly.

 

[AngelWings444]

Why? Why are the Anthonys' personal finances anyone's business?
Because THEY made it everyone's business when they asked for donations and are now starting a new foundation, in which they will receive salaries.


And 'ANY shopping'? Seriously? So if Cindy goes into a store and buys a tank top for $3 or a tube of toothpast for $1.49, that's got something to do with 'blood money'? Really?
YES, anything they are receiving right now is not from a legitimate job, it's from capitalizing off of the death of their granddaughter. They were broke before Caylee's death.

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This is America. We're all free to shop, buy new cars, take vacations, get limo rides.
Yes, we are all free to do those things, but most people wouldn't do it off the backs of the good citizens of Florida and most certainly, the murder of their own grandchild.

It really doesn't matter whether the Anthonys do good things or not. The same people who loathe them now will continue to loathe them for all eternity. And I think that's bizarre.
Yes, it does matter whether they do good things or not with the money they are asking others to donate to their new foundation.

I do have a very low opinion of anyone who profits off a death. I don't know if the Anthonys are doing that or not, but my guess is that in some way they are.
The A's ARE profiting off the murder of their granddaughter. It's simple as pie, broke before murder, lavish lifestyle afterwards. Foundation with salaries. No jobs. Why is that a "guess" to anyone?

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If anything is disingenuous in this whole fiasco, it's criticizing the Anthonys for their ill-gotten gains (even though nobody even really knows what those are) while at the same time happily gobbling up what the others who are profiting from Caylee's death have to offer.
We do know about the Anthony's "ill-gotten gains", it's right in front of all of us, they were broke before Caylee was murdered, they haven't worked a day since. Dr. Phil donated to their new "foundation", they have publicly stated they will be drawing salaries off said foundation. The A's aren't working, they are living off the murder of their grandchild.

As far as "gobbling up" what others are putting out there, I, like many, would like to hear from the only people we can trust in this case, the prosecutors and law enforcement. I would like to hear their prospective opinions, what they believed went right/wrong. My hope is someday, maybe, it will help in another case, so a murderer is not walking the streets and a baby isn't laying in the woods for 6 months. I believe anything released/sold (sweater on Ebay, TMZ pics, Dr. P interview, pics to ABC, is and will always be blood money. The A's were her grandparents and aided in justice not being served, they shouldn't make a dime off "that little girl". IMO

Answers in red. RIP little Caylee Marie Anthony, you deserved so much better, and you still do. JMO

 

[Chilly Willy]

I have to disagree w/ you on giving Cindy a pass for her behavior. At the beginning, Sindy was confused and could not understand why KC was keeping Caylee away. Sindy felt that KC was keeping Caylee away from her for punishment and thought that she would eventually persuade KC to come back around. But....the minute she talked to KC and heard the story that 'Caylee was kidnapped', Sindy put the smell of the car, KC's past and present behavior, and the knowledge that Zanny never existed together and thus began the coverup and the blaming of others. Sindy knew, but would not admit that her daughter killed Caylee. I will never believe otherwise. Of course, that's MHOO.

Who is Sindy? :tos: If you mean Cindy, I have to question how you know what she was thinking or what she knew.

 

[MissJames]

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[Gnatcatcher]

Are you saying that a woman whose granddaughter is missing is overexposing herself by doing interviews and appearing on camera?

As I suspected, the whole thing about the Anthonys craving and insisting on all this 'exposure' is yet another myth.

No. What I'm saying is that a woman whose granddaughter is missing is overexposing herself by doing interviews and appearing on camera FOR THE SINGLE SOUL PURPOSE of projecting her daughter's innocence, and the guilt of every living breathing soul otherwise.

I IMPLORE everyone who defends Cindy to become well versed in this thread, "Misstatements and/or Lies by Cindy and George":

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82728&highlight=Cindy's+lies

Or perhaps, if one has never seen it, one can sit through the pain staking FBI and police interviews with Cindy, where she blabbers on about how Zanny could be Amy, and other ridiculous theories that even the worst horror story writer on the planet wouldn't come up with.

There's also the Larry King interviews where she lies and denies and specifically went on the show to tell those lies.

Ok I'm off topic and getting really upset by this constant spewing of how the Anthonys shouldn't suffer for what their daughter did. It's not what their daughter did, it's what THEY have done. And if one doesn't understand that, one isn't paying the least bit of attention and I'm finished discussing it. :crazy:

 

[MarthaM]

As far as "gobbling up" what others are putting out there, I, like many, would like to hear from the only people we can trust in this case, the prosecutors and law enforcement. I would like to hear their prospective opinions, what they believed went right/wrong.

The prosecutor doesn't need to make a pile of money from a book to tell you all that. But he is. Ca-ching!

 

[Aedrys]

Cindy did not search for a deceased Caylee because she refused to accept that Caylee could be dead. It is for that same reason that she felt anger toward Tim and anyone who searched for a dead Caylee. Casey, with all her 'clues' indicated to Cindy that people close to her were involved in Caylee's disappearance. How could Cindy ignore that while still maintaining the belief that Caylee was alive? How could she blame Casey for Caylee's disappearance when she wasn't able to accept that Caylee was gone?

I don't feel that Cindy's refusal to search for her granddaughter's dead body is in any way an excuse for the horrible way she's been treated. IMO, she couldn't cope with the reality of the situation so she created her own tolerable reality. I don't know about anyone else but in a similar situation I could not immediately accept that my beloved granddaughter was dead and that my daughter killed her. It would be a process, long and difficult. I'd probably make a few mistakes along the way too.

Does this really sound right?:

Grandmother: "No, no, no, my granddaughter is NOT dead! My daughter is NOT a killer. My granddaughter will be coming home again, we're saving her birthday presents for when that day comes."

Observer: "You disgust me, Grandmother, for having that attitude. You deserve my animosity and every horrible awful thing I can think up to say about you!!"

But CA NEVER said anything like that. It was more like "Caylee isn't dead, F all of you for thinking so. Casey is not a murderer. F of all you for even trying to help. You're not helping if you're searching for a dead Caylee. F of all of you. You should be searching for a live Caylee. She's alive because I say so. And everyone else besides Casey and our family is suspicious and could have and probably did do something to Caylee. I will dig up dirt on all of you, call you names, and treat all of you like crap because Caylee is alive and Casey didn't kill her. Don't mess with the Anthony's! F ALL OF YOU!"

That was more like her attitude in this case. She never ONCE sounded nice and grieving in the previous quote. I would have had sympathy for her if she sounded remotely like the first quote. But no, she was much more like my quote, and I know I would never treat anyone like that. I would want help in my finding my child, finding my child's murderer, or coming to terms that my child murdered his or her child. But Cindy was about waging war with anyone who didn't agree with her, and anyone that remotely knew Casey was going to get the blame for what happened to Caylee, anything to save Casey from consequences. That's why most people don't like her and don't have sympathy for her. I'd like one person to say that they would treat people exactly like Cindy did and blame everyone exactly the way she did if their child went missing or was murdered. I can't imagine anyone here would turn into the monster Cindy did.

And it's why, when she's living the high life without working and getting a salary for a sham foundation because she never ever would have used grandparent's rights against Casey, that we continue to disgusted. Had she once sounded like a grieving grandmother in denial, there would be no disgust. I can't be disgusted with someone truly grieving and truly in denial. But Cindy NEVER WAS. She needs to shut up and go away. That would be the best thing she could for herself, but she won't. She likes getting money without working and likes the camera way too much. She just can't be like Lee, who has disappeared. If he can do it, she should be able to do it too. But she won't. So shopping in a mall will get her attention like it did here. And if George continues to enable Cindy and stand by her side, it will get him attention too.

 

[Chilly Willy]

I'm talking about facts, not gossip and myth and guesswork and innuendo.

How much money have the Anthonys made from their 'sham foundation'? How much money have they made from licensing pictures? How much money have they made from selling interviews? How much?

More importantly, why is that anyone's business anyway? And where's the outrage over everybody else who has made money from this? Why are the Anthonys the target to the point that they're criticized for even leaving their house and (gasp!) shopping, when so many others are making and will continue to make so much more off this tragedy?

A number of victim's family members could be accused of profiting from the death of their family member. John Walsh made a career of it, no one criticizes him - and, for the record, I am not either.

Mark Klaas does not work, how does he pay his bills?

 

[MissJames]

Who is Sindy? :tos: If you mean Cindy, I have to question how you know what she was thinking or what she knew.

Cindy did not search for a deceased Caylee because she refused to accept that Caylee could be dead. It is for that same reason that she felt anger toward Tim and anyone who searched for a dead Caylee. Casey, with all her 'clues' indicated to Cindy that people close to her were involved in Caylee's disappearance. How could Cindy ignore that while still maintaining the belief that Caylee was alive? How could she blame Casey for Caylee's disappearance when she wasn't able to accept that Caylee was gone?

I don't feel that Cindy's refusal to search for her granddaughter's dead body is in any way an excuse for the horrible way she's been treated. IMO, she couldn't cope with the reality of the situation so she created her own tolerable reality. I don't know about anyone else but in a similar situation I could not immediately accept that my beloved granddaughter was dead and that my daughter killed her. It would be a process, long and difficult. I'd probably make a few mistakes along the way too.

Does this really sound right?:

Grandmother: "No, no, no, my granddaughter is NOT dead! My daughter is NOT a killer. My granddaughter will be coming home again, we're saving her birthday presents for when that day comes."

Observer: "You disgust me, Grandmother, for having that attitude. You deserve my animosity and every horrible awful thing I can think up to say about you!!"

BBM
Almost every poster on this thread has stated what they believe Cindy was thinking ,including you,as shown in your above post.
I believe Cindy knew Caylee was dead .IMO she did NOT want anyone to find Caylee because Casey's defense at the time was that Caylee was alive.
Tim Miller's TES searches woods and fields etc,for anyone missing,dead or alive. People who wander off or got lost would need to be rescued within days.By the time TM was called by Cindy it was over a month. Of course they would be looking for a body at that point. Tim's TES isn't a PI service ,it's boots and horses on the ground searches or water searches for bodies.Cindy's reaction was nasty and over the top any way you look at it,IMO.
THAT'S what got Cindy so much press time. It was her abnormal reactions to situations like the one with TM. Now that she's so well known for her confrontational behavior she will be watched in malls,in restaurants and on vacation.

This is but one bizarre instance when Cindy

 

[Aedrys]

A number of victim's family members could be accused of profiting from the death of their family member. John Walsh made a career of it, no one criticizes him - and, for the record, I am not either.

Mark Klaas does not work, how does he pay his bills?

Because THOSE people are TRULY trying to help missing and murdered children. What ONE THING have the Anthony's ever gotten off their duff and actually DONE for missing and murdered children? ONE THING? And I'm not talking about setting up foundations or buying a dang boat. I mean getting out there and doing searches, or actually helping people like Mark Klaas does. Or having a television program for YEARS dedicated to finding criminals and putting them away like John Walsh did. They have NEVER done any of that! You can't even put these people in the same category!!!! They just want the money coming in without lifting a finger!

 

[AngelWings444]

The prosecutor doesn't need to make a pile of money from a book to tell you all that. But he is. Ca-ching!

My thoughts regarding Jeff Ashton's book are in the thread regarding his book. I was trying to stay on topic, the A's shopping. :loser:

 

[MissJames]

A number of victim's family members could be accused of profiting from the death of their family member. John Walsh made a career of it, no one criticizes him - and, for the record, I am not either.

Mark Klaas does not work, how does he pay his bills?

They were true victims and did not try to mislead LE ,lie under oath or attempt to cover up for the murderer. What they have built comes from an honest experience.Tim Miller ,also.
The Anthony's fall short of being trustworthy.

 

[Chilly Willy]

But CA NEVER said anything like that. It was more like "Caylee isn't dead, F all of you for thinking so. Casey is not a murderer. F of all you for even trying to help. You're not helping if you're searching for a dead Caylee. F of all of you. You should be searching for a live Caylee. She's alive because I say so. And everyone else besides Casey and our family is suspicious and could have and probably did do something to Caylee. I will dig up dirt on all of you, call you names, and treat all of you like crap because Caylee is alive and Casey didn't kill her. Don't mess with the Anthony's! F ALL OF YOU!"

That was more like her attitude in this case. She never ONCE sounded nice and grieving in the previous quote. I would have had sympathy for her if she sounded remotely like the first quote. But no, she was much more like my quote, and I know I would never treat anyone like that. I would want help in my finding my child, finding my child's murderer, or coming to terms that my child murdered his or her child. But Cindy was about waging war with anyone who didn't agree with her, and anyone that remotely knew Casey was going to get the blame for what happened to Caylee, anything to save Casey from consequences. That's why most people don't like her and don't have sympathy for her. I'd like one person to say that they would treat people exactly like Cindy did and blame everyone exactly the way she did if their child went missing or was murdered. I can't imagine anyone here would turn into the monster Cindy did.

And it's why, when she's living the high life without working and getting a salary for a sham foundation because she never ever would have used grandparent's rights against Casey, that we continue to disgusted. Had she once sounded like a grieving grandmother in denial, there would be no disgust. I can't be disgusted with someone truly grieving and truly in denial. But Cindy NEVER WAS. She needs to shut up and go away. That would be the best thing she could for herself, but she won't. She likes getting money without working and likes the camera way too much. She just can't be like Lee, who has disappeared. If he can do it, she should be able to do it too. But she won't. So shopping in a mall will get her attention like it did here. And if George continues to enable Cindy and stand by her side, it will get him attention too.

Wow, I never heard Cindy use all those F words. Of course Cindy sounded angry - everyone was trying to get her to believe something she wasn't able to accept. People were camping out in her front yard jeering and taunting her for gosh sakes, as if she were an animal in the zoo to poke at with sticks. No one would condone such abuse of animals but apparently it's okay to treat a desperately confused and hurting grandmother that way. How was she supposed to react to that kind of treatment?

I don't know that "most" people don't like Cindy. I've rarely heard anyone express an opinion about her outside of this forum, which no one can deny has an obvious bias. I know a large number of posters who have sympathy for the A's but stopped posting here around the same time I took a break, because they couldn't tolerate the way every thread turned into an A bashing fest.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Because THOSE people are TRULY trying to help missing and murdered children. What ONE THING have the Anthony's ever gotten off their duff and actually DONE for missing and murdered children? ONE THING? And I'm not talking about setting up foundations or buying a dang boat. I mean getting out there and doing searches, or actually helping people like Mark Klaas does. Or having a television program for YEARS dedicated to finding criminals and putting them away like John Walsh did. They have NEVER done any of that! You can't even put these people in the same category!!!! They just want the money coming in without lifting a finger!

They didn't buy the boat.

But, we were told not to talk about the boat here because it's off topic.

 

[Chilly Willy]

Because THOSE people are TRULY trying to help missing and murdered children. What ONE THING have the Anthony's ever gotten off their duff and actually DONE for missing and murdered children? ONE THING? And I'm not talking about setting up foundations or buying a dang boat. I mean getting out there and doing searches, or actually helping people like Mark Klaas does. Or having a television program for YEARS dedicated to finding criminals and putting them away like John Walsh did. They have NEVER done any of that! You can't even put these people in the same category!!!! They just want the money coming in without lifting a finger!

I suppose we'll have to wait and see. Klaas and Walsh needed time to get started too. One thing we know is that Cindy put in a lot of time working hard with long hours. She's obviously not afraid of work or of 'lifting a finger.'

 

[AngelWings444]

A number of victim's family members could be accused of profiting from the death of their family member. John Walsh made a career of it, no one criticizes him - and, for the record, I am not either.

Mark Klaas does not work, how does he pay his bills?

There is NO comparison. John Walsh helps people/victims! Mark Klass helps people/victims! IMMEDIATELY, Mark Klaas took a polygraph test to AIDE Law Enforcement. The Anthony's refused to take one, hindered an investigation, lied before, during, and I'm sure they will lie after trial. John Walsh and Mark Klaas are HONEST, caring, human beings who aide victims by their own stories and experiences. The A's have told "stories" to LE, the prosecution, the courts, and helped get their daughter off for Caylee's murder. The two have ZERO in common. :twocents: