George Zimmerman /Trayvon Martin General Discussion #11 Tues. July 9

[sacrablue]

I wonder if any of my axons died after getting hit on the head with a rock the size of a ping pong ball? I received more stitches then <mod snip> did getting his head slammed into the 'killer' concrete. IMO

 

[cityslick]

By your logic, then the same could be said about any side effects from the THC in TM's system. Everyone reacts differently to legal or illegal drugs - IMO.

I agree, the THC in TM's system is irrelevant. There is no way to know if the levels that were in his system had any impact on his demeanor.

 

[William N]

IMO, George brought all of this on himself. He has anger issues. He was 28 years old. Trayvon was 17. Teenagers do not think like adults. George was the grown up in this situation, so I'll save my compassion for the victim - TM.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/30/trayvon-martin-case-george-zimmerman_n_1392591.html

And as far as any misdeeds by Trayvon (smoking pot, etc), I was quite an unruly teenager as well. My mother barely survived LOL. I am a law abiding member of society, college educated and working at a federal law enforcement agency. George had issues though, as an adult. Something like this was bound to happen sooner or later, IMO.

IMO TM is the one who "brought all of this on himself" by doubling back and confronting GZ in the dark. Every day of testimony (even during the state's case) has made this more apparent IMO.

 

[EquallyDivided]

What I say in this post is my opinion only.

I still have questions as to why GZ was even carrying a gun that night. Sure he had a permit, but I know many people who have conceal & carry permits. They don't carry unless they have a specific purpose in mind. A gun should never be carried unless you have specific plans for using it & I can't see any reason carrying one for a trip to Target. That purpose might be because they are traveling long distances never knowing what kind of armed nuts might be out on the road looking to harm fellow travelers or if someone actually invaded their house. No one I know would be carrying in their housing project even though the projects had previously had burgulary problems. I once lived in a neighborhood watch area & never did the police tell us to carry a weapon & patrol the area. Being aware was the key issue & then we were to call police if we spotted a problem. My take is that GZ went out looking for trouble & he sure as heck found it. I think carrying a gun gave him & his ego a boost. Shooting someone just because you thought they were on drugs is no excuse. Even if by some chance TM attacked first, why not just slug it out mano a mano. I do think that probably both men let prejudice caused them to make bad decisions.

I carry for personal protection Every. Single. Day. In all location except those with CORRECT POSTINGS that say I should not. I carry at Kroger when I go grocery shopping. I carry at the gas station. I carry everywhere.

I can tell you, after witnessing and reporting a robbery at my apartment neighbors place, it brings a level of fear that you can't describe. I am federal law enforcement, and I was still in fear in my own home. I can usually leave my diligence at work, but being home and jumping at every single noise will heighten your senses to the extreme.

I know I don't agree with everyone, but hopefully I'm bringing a perspective that you may not have considered before. I will not wait until you actually break through my skull or give me a concussion before I defend myself. If I'm at a disadvantage in a fight and in reasonable fear for my life, I will react in a purpose to stop you.

I am a female, so my fear may be greater than a man's fear depending on the situation. The litmus for these things are subjective, but I believe there is not a valid argument to say that GZ's injuries were not serious or severe. Had he not reacted, he could have very well ended up deceased at the end of the altercation. I believe that it was an active, ongoing and escalating physical altercation.

I believe TM did not understand at his age and ignorance of what he was actually doing) the seriousness of fighting. His experience of fighting was probably limited to school fighting, and not real life consequences in the real world. I think kids have a limited scope of what their juvenile actions could cause. Again, he probably just thought he would beat the guy up and be on his way. I think it's tragic all the way around.

 

[missmazzy]

I guess 'don't shoot the messenger' doesn't apply in here.

The level of pettiness from some is mind-boggling. IMO

IMO, this is probably one of the more civilized discussion forums on this case. Thanks to the mods, it's "safe" to come here and express opinions. There are a lot of free for alls on FB and elsewhere.

I like it here. :seeya:

 

[Sweet Fox]

Or when TM tries to extricate himself from GZ, the heavier of the two slips, in the wet grass and hits his own head...on a bush, a tree, the drainage cover, the poop can, or even the sidewalk. We only have the defendant's stories.

Pure speculation. Not a fact and nothing to support your senario. IMO

 

[DIBSY]

Definition of the word victim:
vic·tim (vktm)
n.
1. One who is harmed or killed by another: a victim of a mugging.
2. A living creature slain and offered as a sacrifice during a religious rite.
3. One who is harmed by or made to suffer from an act, circumstance, agency, or condition: victims of war.
4. A person who suffers injury, loss, or death as a result of a voluntary undertaking: You are a victim of your own scheming.
5. A person who is tricked, swindled, or taken advantage of: the victim of a cruel hoax.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/victim

Trayvon Benjamin Martin was most certainly a victim

Thank you kindly ! It is certainly worthy of repeating as well...for any who may have missed it.:seeya:

 

[lauraoh]

Yes! Gavel to gavel HLN coverage of the Andrea Snyderman trial starting 7/28.

 

[pinkie60]

What I say in this post is my opinion only.

I still have questions as to why GZ was even carrying a gun that night. Sure he had a permit, but I know many people who have conceal & carry permits. They don't carry unless they have a specific purpose in mind. A gun should never be carried unless you have specific plans for using it & I can't see any reason carrying one for a trip to Target. That purpose might be because they are traveling long distances never knowing what kind of armed nuts might be out on the road looking to harm fellow travelers or if someone actually invaded their house. No one I know would be carrying in their housing project even though the projects had previously had burgulary problems. I once lived in a neighborhood watch area & never did the police tell us to carry a weapon & patrol the area. Being aware was the key issue & then we were to call police if we spotted a problem. My take is that GZ went out looking for trouble & he sure as heck found it. I think carrying a gun gave him & his ego a boost. Shooting someone just because you thought they were on drugs is no excuse. Even if by some chance TM attacked first, why not just slug it out mano a mano. I do think that probably both men let prejudice caused them to make bad decisions.

I just have a hunch GZ approached TM with his gun drawn or pulled the gun on him, hence the hysterical screaming. I think they could have fought over the gun.

 

[sacrablue]

I have received a concussion. I know a little bit about this. Did <mod snip> need any supervision for potential concussion? None I have heard. IMO

 

[costalpilot]

If you get in a fist fight the degree this one was described, your hands get beat up, bruised and sometimes broken. This witness is not even close in his testimony. IMO

i'll go with an expert who is respected in his fieldd, rather than your and the states "expert" opinions, who has suffered several professional challenges to her "expertise" in the past.

this is a fact. I'm going with their opinions, not yours or hers.

 

[cityslick]

I just have a hunch GZ approached TM with his gun drawn or pulled the gun on him, hence the hysterical screaming. I think they could have fought over the gun.

No evidence of this. RJ's testimony (if you believe it) shows no indication that TM was aware of a gun, there was no screaming that she heard from TM, etc.

 

[SassyMom]

IMO, this is probably one of the more civilized discussion forums on this case. Thanks to the mods, it's "safe" to come here and express opinions. There are a lot of free for alls on FB and elsewhere.

I like it here. :seeya:

While that is true, judging from the hystrionics at other websites I've seen, it's not saying much The Mods have a thankless job, so I'd like to take this opportunity to THANK THEM for their hard work! Thank you Mods for keeping this place as civil as it is!

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I won't be replying to any more opinion posts.. Evidence discussions, fact discussions or testimony yes.. But I find more and more opinion based on nothing but opinion and no facts.

I am interested in the case and where it leads not where people THINK it should lead.


Justice.. I want justice and a verdict based on law.

OMO

 

[missmazzy]

Yes! Gavel to gavel HLN coverage of the Andrea Snyderman trial starting 7/28.

I have been waiting for this one. I watched the Hemy Neuman trial and she was unfreakinbeliebable! Hopefully it is livestreamed, I refuse to sit through HLN's nonsense.

 

[DIBSY]

We know, IF we believe that part of GZ
's testimony, that Trayvon Martin didn't grab Zimmerman's weapon....GZ didn't have to wrestle Martin to shoot his gun into Martin's heart....So, IF GZ truly thought his life was in danger....he could have easily held Trayvon Martin at gunpoint until LE arrived..instead he chose to shoot TM in the heart. Goes to premeditation to me. IMO

 

[lillygator]

A forensic expert testified Tuesday that Trayvon Martin's gunshot wound indicated that he was likely on top of George Zimmerman when the neighborhood watch volunteer shot him.



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/09/11-calls-becoming-heart-zimmerman-trial/#ixzz2YZGt7E00

wow, that is HUGE imo.

 

[Mahouston69]

...or anything else in TM's system. Is there a full toxicology report? I would like to know if any other drugs were found. The information is out there, you just have to know where to look.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/05/17/trayvon.martin.autopsy.pdf?hpt=hp_t2

 

[georgiagirl]

What I say in this post is my opinion only.

I still have questions as to why GZ was even carrying a gun that night. Sure he had a permit, but I know many people who have conceal & carry permits. They don't carry unless they have a specific purpose in mind. A gun should never be carried unless you have specific plans for using it & I can't see any reason carrying one for a trip to Target. That purpose might be because they are traveling long distances never knowing what kind of armed nuts might be out on the road looking to harm fellow travelers or if someone actually invaded their house. No one I know would be carrying in their housing project even though the projects had previously had burgulary problems. I once lived in a neighborhood watch area & never did the police tell us to carry a weapon & patrol the area. Being aware was the key issue & then we were to call police if we spotted a problem. My take is that GZ went out looking for trouble & he sure as heck found it. I think carrying a gun gave him & his ego a boost. Shooting someone just because you thought they were on drugs is no excuse. Even if by some chance TM attacked first, why not just slug it out mano a mano. I do think that probably both men let prejudice caused them to make bad decisions.

IMO OMG..... Where do I even start with a response to your statements? First of all, we have already addressed the various reasons a civilian may carry a gun. I.E. Random shooters, carjacker, someone attacks you, someone tries to attack a child....... The world is FULL of loose cannons. And the fact that the State of FL decided it was his legal right to take that gun everywhere regardless of what you or I think. Just because YOU personally have not encountered a situation where an armed civilian has to protect you from harm doesn't mean it doesn't happen all the time. OMO

IMO It appears that you are saying anyone who carries a gun who is not part of the police force is "looking for trouble"...?? Actually, IMO it's the exact opposite.

 

[costalpilot]

I have received a concussion. I know a little bit about this. Did <modsnip> need any supervision for potential concussion? None I have heard. IMO

I have received multiple concussions. the medical people were mistaken not to supervise his potential for concussion, imo.

plus I was a medic in the air force back in the day. there is NO WAY to tell if a person is concussed by looking at them, or by any rudimentary examinations. the only way to rule out one is by an rmi, imo.

the medical people can help with this. its been a long time.