George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin General discussion #2

[raine1212]

Also, get off the issue about the gun being bought to kill a dog.. If this has been said in court or MSM let me know. But right now I am seeing it as hearsay..TIA

 

[tinkabella]

On the phone he says to 911, " I don't know where he went."

He is reporting that he is out of his sight already at that point. He would have no reason at all to lie. None.

This is the same man who conspired with his wife to mislead the court. Like I said before his credibility is shot and yet some people act like whatever George said is the 100% truth. For all we know he could be lying then too, its not a stretch.

 

[iluvmua]

It doesn't matter if he was almost an adult, he just turned 17. He was a child. There is no ifs and buts about that, he's still a child. SOMEONE's child.

yes, and someone's child broke the nose of George and started using his head as a basketball.

 

[scorekeeper]

so George initiated the neighborhood watch in his community. All the calls he made were based on this and George was the coordinator. This tells me he was a very concerned citizen and cared about his neighbors and neighborhood!

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Just putting it in perspective, the issue came up because the OP said that the prosecution said, as fact, that George bought a gun to kill a dog. Wonder what kind of non-hearsay evidence the State has to support that statement. Assuming that's what was said in the opening statement. I didn't hear it myself.

When did they say it? In Opening Statements because that is not evidence. That is their persuasive argument of what they can prove. But we know that that is not always what we get in the end.
Again, If they say he got the gun because of the dog, and are using it, it backs up GZ reason for getting the gun for protection from the dog. HE never shot a dog so it seems that he did not get the gun, go home and kill a dog.

 

[JudyBolton]

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[jane the dood]

There is no evidence TM was hiding watching GZ while there is ample evidence GZ was watching and following TM

Agree.

*sigh* My original plan with this trial was to just lurk on Websleuths and keep my opinions to myself. lol

When my husband became bored with retirement, he took a course, obtained a state license and went to work as a security guard (yeah, have heard all the rent-a-cop jokes...some of them well deserved). The retired police officer who taught the course told them their job as security guards was to observe and report.

Zimmerman, to my knowledge, was not a licensed security guard. But if he had heeded that advice (and he was reportedly quite chummy with a number of members of the Sanford Police Dept., with whom he was allowed to ride along), he wouldn't be in court right now and Trayvon Martin would still be alive.

:twocents:

OK...back to lurking.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

This is the same man who conspired with his wife to mislead the court. Like I said before his credibility is shot and yet some people act like whatever George said is the 100% truth. For all we know he could be lying then too, its not a stretch.

I am not comparing after the event to before. WE need to look at the evidence before and leading up to the event.

Everything is different after. And The " lies" were related to something else. Not the actual event. I am separating the 2 at this point.

 

[Irisha]

Really, To me it does not matter why he got the gun.

But I live near Philly where Police have had to shoot pit bulls over and over to get them to stop attacking. Not all pit bulls but there are some that are raised in the city by Drug dealers to be aggressive. They will not stop coming. They will attack and keep attacking.

Since we don't have someone on record from the county saying it and will most likely never know who may have said it, I will agree, It is hearsay but nevertheless, Why he bought the gun is not relevant to the case. It is not someone who went out and bought one 2 days before and shot someone. He was responsible. He took the course. He had a legal fire arm and he had every right to have one.

No one is disputing his right to have a gun.

 

[faw720]

At this point in time, I have a completely open mind about innocence/guilt. Just waiting for all the evidence to unfold.

From the tape yesterday, it's pretty obvious that GZ is prejudiced. However, even if someone is prejudiced, that does not mean that they kill the object of their prejudice. I do think that it would be better for GZ if his friend, Frank, would just keep his mouth shut & stay away from TV interviews. He sounds a bit aggressive himself. Also, if GZ is innocent, I hope his attorney is more competent than he sounded yesterday.

 

[PaperDoll]

Well where was he? This is where we have to think. If he was out of GZ eye line and disappeared while he was on the phone, And was continuing to walk home, He would have been home by the time GZ hung up.

So he had to be hiding somewhere. To me this could be lying in wait. Right now, That seems most plausible.

For all we know maybe TM finally thought he was safe then all the sudden appears GZ and GZ confronts TM. We only have GZ’s word, TM is dead and can’t speak for himself so we are now left with GZ’s word as to what actually happened that night. And I for one believe that GZ is going to cover is butt as much as he can to stay out of jail, even if “some” what he says is the truth. This is a sad case.

 

[SilkySifaka]

Character issues, if you lie to police and the courts afterwards it shows you can lie before.

 

[iluvmua]

This is the same man who conspired with his wife to mislead the court. Like I said before his credibility is shot and yet some people act like whatever George said is the 100% truth. For all we know he could be lying then too, its not a stretch.

and maybe, just maybe, he's actually telling the truth about what happened to him the night of February 26, 2012.

 

[cityslick]

Agree.

*sigh* My original plan with this trial was to just lurk on Websleuths and keep my opinions to myself. lol

When my husband became bored with retirement, he took a course, obtained a state license and went to work as a security guard (yeah, have heard all the rent-a-cop jokes...some of them well deserved). The retired police officer who taught the course told them their job as security guards was to observe and report.

Zimmerman, to my knowledge, was not a licensed security guard. But if he had heeded that advise (and he was reportedly quite chummy with a number of members of the Sanford Police Dept., with whom he was allowed to ride along), he wouldn't be in court right now and Trayvon Martin would still be alive.

:twocents:

OK...back to lurking.

BBM

I keep seeing this constantly being brought up (that if he would of only heeded the advice, TM would be alive). While that may in fact be the truth, the fact of the matter is I feel that people are using that to determine guilt and legally, he is not. He didn't break any law doing any of that, even if that's exactly what happened. GZ asking TM who he was is not against the law. And last I checked there is no evidence that proves that GZ attacked TM first. But because people feel that GZ started the whole sequence of events, he's automatically guilty regardless of what happened after the fact and that is simply not how the law works.

 

[tinkabella]

go online and read all the evidence, ALL the evidence shows what George has been saying all along is true.

If that's the truth then why was he not immediately arrested and charged with murder? because all the facts of this case fit with what he says happened.

I've read enough evidence and he wasn't arrested because his story was taken at face value without any REAL investigation. You see where he's sitting now right? In court and he was arrested AFTER a full investigation. Thank god for that.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Character issues, if you lie to police and the courts afterwards it shows you can lie before.

I don't agree. And I am not sure about that case about the money yet. I have not read through all that information.

But I see them as unrelated at this point.

 

[Schuby]

For all we know maybe TM finally thought he was safe then all the sudden appears GZ and GZ confronts TM. We only have GZ’s word, TM is dead and can’t speak for himself so we are now left with GZ’s word as to what actually happened that night. And I for one believe that GZ is going to cover is butt as much as he can to stay out of jail, even if “some” what he says is the truth. This is a sad case.

But we do know that TM decided to confront GZ, or at least that he told his friend on the phone he was going to.

 

[Words2Serve]

Lessons learned from my mom, and would still apply in this case:

1. Children should always walk with a friend
2. NW should always have a partner

Note to self: If at all possible never go anywhere alone

 

[Karmady]

Also, get off the issue about the gun being bought to kill a dog.. If this has been said in court or MSM let me know. But right now I am seeing it as hearsay..TIA

Raine, the OP said it was stated by the prosecution in its opening statement. I can't say whether that's true or not since I didn't hear it myself. But I assume the OP did hear that. That said, I have no burning desire to keep talking about it lol

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I've read enough evidence and he wasn't arrested because his story was taken at face value without any REAL investigation. You see where he's sitting now right? In court and he was arrested AFTER a full investigation. Thank god for that.

And I believe that he is in court due to community pressure and was over charged. I believe that even if they believe that he was not justified it is manslaughter not murder of any sort.