George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin General discussion #2

[Words2Serve]

I am bothered that they don't have water for the witnesses... how are we suppose to watch people spill it, if they don't have it to pour!! I need something when Nurmi or whoever this guy is, is talking.

 

[iluvmua]

And that may be true so i guess thats why GZ went into chuck norris mode. Trayvon "looked" like a black robber walking home. Thats called profiling. Thanks.

no evidence of that

 

[GetToTheTruthNow]

The more I listen to, the more GZ is not guilty---- of 144 calls, he called about white people, dogs, open garage doors, alarms going off, etc. his wife was prompting him to call some times. He said sometimes when the police show up they run so to post another officer at one community over, he said he didn't want to confront them, he helped changed flat tires, and helped old people with their groceries, and attended neighborhood watch meetings. Prosecution wants to cherry pick 4 or 5 calls (that still do not sound bad) lets let all the calls in--would love to have GZ as a neighbor.

 

[Wishbone]

The evidence is already starting to show that he is in fact, innocent.

which is true, ALL the robberies were committed by black males.

I’m waiting for the rest of the testimony before deciding anything but this video is enough to understand why a person experiencing crime in his neighborhood would be suspicious of strangers.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvvHMM6TF50"]home invasion Millburn NJ - YouTube[/ame]

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

And that may be true so i guess thats why GZ went into chuck norris mode. Trayvon "looked" like a black robber walking home. Thats called profiling. Thanks.

Chuck norris does not shoot people he beats them to a pulp so in that regard it would be TM that went into Chuck Norris Mode.

I think it says a lot that TM had no blows from GZ on him.

 

[iluvmua]

Most people that seem convinced GZ is guilty do not seem to be interested in the actual evidence. It seems to me that is more of an emotional decision.

For me, and only me, Seeing him as Innocent is how our system works. The state has to prove him guilty. And for me the evidence is not there yet. Most likely the evidence that is most likely to sway me is the physical evidence.

I want to know the truth. But if you are putting someone on trial for murder you have to prove that to me.

it's not there for me and never has been. (I've studied this case for the last year and a half).

There is no evidence that GZ wanted to kill TM like the prosecution is saying.


Prosecution has to proof that GZ wanted TM dead and they just don't have any evidence.

 

[PaperDoll]

And we do know who broke GZ's nose and bashed his head against the pavement.

You are right though, we don't know how it got physical and that is the central question in all of this.

Yup this is true

I personally don't believe GZ deserves life in prision or death, but I do believe he needs to serve some time for his actions, again, he put himself in this situation and he knew he had a gun on him. TM didn't know this guy nor what he was capable of doing. I also believe those screams are from TM which tells me that GZ had a few seconds to retreat. :twocents: This is strictly my opinion. :blushing:

 

[tinkabella]

Most people that seem convinced GZ is guilty do not seem to be interested in the actual evidence. It seems to me that is more of an emotional decision.

For me, and only me, Seeing him as Innocent is how our system works. The state has to prove him guilty. And for me the evidence is not there yet. Most likely the evidence that is most likely to sway me is the physical evidence.

I want to know the truth. But if you are putting someone on trial for murder you have to prove that to me.

Its not based off emotion can it be that someone see's thing differently as you do. you believe what you want it doesn't make you right or better informed of the evidence. He is presumed innocent until proven guilty but everyone has their own opinion from the evidence.

 

[SilkySifaka]

Its not based off emotion can it be that someone see's thing differently as you do. you believe what you want it doesn't make you right or better informed of the evidence. He is presumed innocent until proven guilty but everyone has their own opinion from the evidence.

Yup this is true

I personally don't believe GZ deserves life in prision or death, but I do believe he needs to serve some time for his actions, again, he put himself in this situation and he knew he had a gun on him. TM didn't know this guy nor what he was capable of doing. I also believe those screams are from TM which tells me that GZ had a few seconds to retreat. :twocents: This is strictly my opinion. :blushing:

I think 9 and a half years in prison is just the right sentence. imo

 

[Sweetiemom]

Raine, the OP said it was stated by the prosecution in its opening statement. I can't say whether that's true or not since I didn't hear it myself. But I assume the OP did hear that. That said, I have no burning desire to keep talking about it lol

I did not say that statement was made during opening statements. It was made during the hearing this morning by the prosecutor. If there is a transcript of the hearing, or a tape of it, it will be there.

 

[iluvmua]

Yup this is true

I personally don't believe GZ deserves life in prision or death, but I do believe he needs to serve some time for his actions, again, he put himself in this situation and he knew he had a gun on him. TM didn't know this guy nor what he was capable of doing. I also believe those screams are from TM which tells me that GZ had a few seconds to retreat. :twocents: This is strictly my opinion. :blushing:

There is no evidence of that. He had nowhere to go, so this is why self defense and not SYG ins in play.

 

[SilkySifaka]

Good article on how Zimmerman changed his stories
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...tencies-20120626_1_shooting-dispatcher-police

 

[cityslick]

Shaeffer is saying that he feels this current witness is getting turned by the defense.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Its not based off emotion can it be that someone see's thing differently as you do. you believe what you want it doesn't make you right or better informed of the evidence. He is presumed innocent until proven guilty but everyone has their own opinion from the evidence.

Show me the evidence that GZ hunted TM. There is none. He was observed being beaten by TM. HE was on the ground and his head was bloodied. His nose was near busted. He was smaller than TM.

Show me the evidence that PROVES GZ went after him. That is the problem. There is none. WE can deduce things from GZ, injuries and witnesses but there is no evidence that GZ went after TM to purposely kill him.

That is why he is over charged. Maybe they could prove Manslaughter, But not Murder 2.

 

[Irisha]

Have you not seen the pictures of his broken nose and injuries to the back of his head????

Yes, followed this case when it 1st happened. I also saw pics of Trayvons body covered by a tarp. GZ injuries prove nothing.

 

[Karmady]

People are weird about money. They just are. I know what you're saying and it IS a hit to his credibility but it doesn't make me discard everything out of his mouth as a probable lie. With any defendant, because they do have a motive to lie, one should have a healthy skepticism of their story and look for evidence to corroborate or debunk it. No more, no less.

Hey Schuby. I know everyone and there brother has said "George lied" about the money. But do you know what that's based on? I know at the bond hearing Shellie supposedly lied by saying she didn't know the amount in the acct. and offering up her brother or BIL to provide that info. But George didn't say a word about it afaik. Lester excoriated him for being a "potted plant," but everyone knows that the defendant has the right to remain silent and George wasn't even asked about it, iirc. His attorney was.

 

[cityslick]

Yes, followed this case when it 1st happened. I also saw pics of Trayvons body covered by a tarp. GZ injuries prove nothing.

It proves that TM wasn't this cowering kid who GZ stood over and gunned down, which was pretty much the narrative when this went down over a year ago. What it doesn't prove is who started the fight.

 

[Shelby1]

bob kealing ‏@bobkealing 5m
Juror in back winked at one in front who stretched and looked at her in this. short bench conference. Another smiling.

 

[iluvmua]

Yes, followed this case when it 1st happened. I also saw pics of Trayvons body covered by a tarp. GZ injuries prove nothing.

They prove a whole lot.

They prove he was being attacked by a young man with a chip on his shoulder.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Yes, followed this case when it 1st happened. I also saw pics of Trayvons body covered by a tarp. GZ injuries prove nothing.

Come on...

Of course his injuries prove something. It proves that he was beaten by TM. I understand people not liking GZ but to overlook real evidence is what I meant when I said it was more emotional for people on the side of GZ is guilty.

There is evidence that he was beaten. That can not be ignored.