George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin General discussion #2

[Hatfield]

I'm thinking the hoodie and t-shirt or whatever he had on under it would have soaked up the blood.

You are right about this. The shirt and hoodie too could act as a buffer zone between the skin and outside and soak up some blood too, so this complicates things a lot as far as being able to tell where TM was when he was shot.

 

[Words2Serve]

Just thoughts/questions:

1. Were there any pictures in evidence of blood on the sidewalk from GZ head injuries?

2. Did GZ comment as to why he didn't just shoot TM in the leg or somewhere other than the chest? As a juror would that matter to you? Would you see the shot to the chest directly as reaction, or intention?

 

[m00c0w]

ok - this really isn't snark, i am truly trying to understand your POV - because i look at things as what is the most likely way to happen Occam's razor - imo if you have just been attacked w/ some one sitting on top of you, beating you, there is a struggle for a gun, you shoot your assailant, he falls n top of you, wouldn't the first response be to push him off you and jump away??? rather than carefully lifting him up partially, moving yourself out from under him, then laying him straight back down so he is still lying face down????

160 pounds or however much Martin weighed is a lot of weight, especially after you've just been beaten pretty well. I can definitely see him just pushing himself out from under Martin.

 

[iluvmua]

The reason why this is all happening, is because of GZ. TM was not found committing any crime, he was found walking to the store and back, unarmed and being followed by some guy who is ASSUMING he is going to commit a crime. TM runs from GZ, not towards him, but from him and what does GZ do? He follows him so what ever happens to GZ, it's because HE PUT HIMSELF IN THAT POSITION! TM was no longer a threat to GZ, why would GZ tell the 911 operator that this guy is up to no good and is coming towards me with his hands in his waist band, then TM runs from GZ.. That tells me that TM isn't a threat but maybe afraid of GZ. Just my :twocents: again.. with all my :twocents: I should be rich by now.. lol

So everything is GZ's fault and TM should not be held accountable for for breaking someone's nose and hitting their head against the sidewalk?

 

[PaintingAnemone]

Then how did Zimmerman sustain all of his injuries, and wind up with no injuries on his hands that reflect hitting or punching someone? Why did Martin not have any trauma other than the gunshot wound if Zimmerman was on top of him, beating him?

For that matter, how did Martin supposedly grip a wet, bald head without getting anything under his nails, or supposedly hit a man hard enough to allegedly break his nose without getting any blood, bruising, or trauma on his hands? And why is there no blood on the concrete surrounding the area? You don't bash someone bloody on concrete and not leave a trace. And how did a skinny kid beat up a muscular guy who had been trained in MMA? He was obviously fit in the police photos (and his clothes are surprisingly clean after rolling around in a struggle for his life. IJS.). I really can't help but think that Zimmerman's version of this sort of stinks to high heaven.

 

[m00c0w]

Just thoughts/questions:

1. Were there any pictures in evidence of blood on the sidewalk from GZ head injuries?

2. Did GZ comment as to why he didn't just shoot TM in the leg or somewhere other than the chest? As a juror would that matter to you? Would you see the shot to the chest directly as reaction, or intention?

1 - The crime scene lady said there was no other evidence of blood outside of the immediate area of the body.

2 - As a juror, I would question why, if someone felt their life was in such grave danger, they opted to only wound the person and not completely end the threat.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

WEre back

 

[iluvmua]

I hope hope hope Mary Cutcher is called to testify.

Don West or MOM will rip her story to pieces just like they will with Rachel.

 

[PaperDoll]

So everything is GZ's fault and TM should not be held accountable for for breaking someone's nose and hitting their head against the sidewalk?

TM is dead and can't defend his side of the story

 

[Jhpuffy]

So everything is GZ's fault and TM should not be held accountable for for breaking someone's nose and hitting their head against the sidewalk?

Held accountable? He's dead. GZ was judge jury and executioner in a matter of minutes.

 

[m00c0w]

For that matter, how did Martin supposedly grip a wet, bald head without getting anything under his nails, or supposedly hit a man hard enough to allegedly break his nose without getting any blood, bruising, or trauma on his hands? And why is there no blood on the concrete surrounding the area? You don't bash someone bloody on concrete and not leave a trace. And how did a skinny kid beat up a muscular guy who had been trained in MMA? He was obviously fit in the police photos (and his clothes are surprisingly clean after rolling around in a struggle for his life. IJS.). I really can't help but think that Zimmerman's version of this sort of stinks to high heaven.

There were reports that Martin's hands showed evidence of hitting someone, IIRC. I don't recall if that was from the ME or from the funeral director, but it seemed to be clear that he definitely threw punches.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

The reason why this is all happening, is because of GZ. TM was not found committing any crime, he was found walking to the store and back, unarmed and being followed by some guy who is ASSUMING he is going to commit a crime. TM runs from GZ, not towards him, but from him and what does GZ do? He follows him so what ever happens to GZ, it's because HE PUT HIMSELF IN THAT POSITION! TM was no longer a threat to GZ, why would GZ tell the 911 operator that this guy is up to no good and is coming towards me with his hands in his waist band, then TM runs from GZ.. That tells me that TM isn't a threat but maybe afraid of GZ. Just my :twocents: again.. with all my :twocents: I should be rich by now.. lol

GZ didn't put himself in a position to make TM attack him. TM was certainly committing a crime as he attacked GZ...TM escalated the situation. You can't beat someone up for following you.

 

[polleypockets]

That's not quite what he says. He says he doesn't remember and can't say for sure if he was throwing punches or not. It wasn't definitive one way or the other.

yes, all i am saying is ppl are still quoting from the first statement where he says TM was beating him MMA style, but then he changed, i am just saying imo -i see ppl using the first statement as an affirmation GZ was the attackee but based on the current statement, t doesn't confirm or negae either possible theories by the defense or the prosection

 

[gxm]

For that matter, how did Martin supposedly grip a wet, bald head without getting anything under his nails, or supposedly hit a man hard enough to allegedly break his nose without getting any blood, bruising, or trauma on his hands? And why is there no blood on the concrete surrounding the area? You don't bash someone bloody on concrete and not leave a trace. And how did a skinny kid beat up a muscular guy who had been trained in MMA? He was obviously fit in the police photos (and his clothes are surprisingly clean after rolling around in a struggle for his life. IJS.). I really can't help but think that Zimmerman's version of this sort of stinks to high heaven.

When I was beaten, my attacker grabbed me by my hair and by my clothing. Holding me by my shirt with one hand and punching my head into the floor with the other. Since GZ didn't have much hair, I would guess that TM had hold of GZ's jacket.

 

[iluvmua]

For that matter, how did Martin supposedly grip a wet, bald head without getting anything under his nails, or supposedly hit a man hard enough to allegedly break his nose without getting any blood, bruising, or trauma on his hands? And why is there no blood on the concrete surrounding the area? You don't bash someone bloody on concrete and not leave a trace. And how did a skinny kid beat up a muscular guy who had been trained in MMA? He was obviously fit in the police photos (and his clothes are surprisingly clean after rolling around in a struggle for his life. IJS.). I really can't help but think that Zimmerman's version of this sort of stinks to high heaven.

Trayvon was not a skinny kid.

 

[iluvmua]

And why are we discussing GZ's MMA style when there is no evidence that GZ used his MMA style training on Trayvon?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Held accountable? He's dead. GZ was judge jury and executioner in a matter of minutes.

This is not true. He did not go looking for someone to kill. He was defending his life. AT least that is what the evidence shows so far. So he killed him not to hurt him, But to make him stop hurting GZ.

 

[Beyond Belief]

This whole case makes me feel ill. I just can't let go of the fact the bullet had to hit tm in the chest rather than a leg, arm or just someplace else.

 

[PaperDoll]

GZ didn't put himself in a position to make TM attack him. TM was certainly committing a crime as he attacked GZ...TM escalated the situation. You can't beat someone up for following you.

How do you know that GZ didn't start the fight and TM was within his rights to ward off his attacker? Everyone assumes that TM started the fight first and this is what we don't know.

 

[corundogs]

Then how did Zimmerman sustain all of his injuries, and wind up with no injuries on his hands that reflect hitting or punching someone? Why did Martin not have any trauma other than the gunshot wound if Zimmerman was on top of him, beating him?

OK...let's go with that.

Where are the injuries to Trayvon's hands, and where is George's blood on Trayvon's hands, body...whatever.

One tiny scratch on one finger on his left hand when he is right handed...and no blood...does not equate to what George says happened, and how he looked.