George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin General discussion #5

[DIBSY]

I would have either high tailed it into my house and called 911 or hid from the person. I certainly would not be out walking around.

IMO GZ lost him only for a few seconds and after that, TM never had the ghost of a chance to escape him.

 

[ShadyLady]

People all over the internet, social media, etc. are commenting on the judge's demeanor to the defense. Pretty pathetic for this example to be on display.... why does it seem most of the trials with judges that are BOTH fair AND move the case along are not on TV or sensational?

I guess the Florida courts think they have to make up for the Casey Anthony trial. I also noticed the judge's snippiness, very unprofessional. Does not help the imagine of Florida courts at all.

Also, I did not know there have been a home invasion in that community till I watched the GZ interview. A women alone had to lock herself in with her child. I am sure this community was on edge.

 

[missmazzy]

I don't think it is manipulation by Nancy Grace OR the media since everyone offline I've discussed this murder with think GZ was on top of TM when he murdered him and that the pattern of gunpowder residue on the TM's clothing came from GZ grabbing his double layer of clothing and holding it up in order to fire at his purposed target, the victim's heart region. As we know, the gun didn't go off accidently, it was carefully aimed to kill.IMV

I honestly don't think so, but I'll wait for the ME to talk about the clothing, trajectory of the bullet, and the stipling.

 

[Nezumi]

Ok, however... TM was well within his rights to protect himself with bodily force from someone who was clearly PURSUING him ... in the dark ... for no apparent reason. GZ would have been well within his rights to stand down and let the police handle things.

So you are justifying TM escalating the situation by initiating physical violence? Interesting.

 

[twall]

Ok, however... TM was well within his rights to protect himself with bodily force from someone who was clearly PURSUING him ... in the dark ... for no apparent reason. GZ would have been well within his rights to stand down and let the police handle things.

I disagree. You can't attack someone who is pursuing you. That is called assault/battery and is against the law. If GZ would have stood down and waited for the police to get there he could of been the dead one. He was protecting himself from bodily harm which is not against the law. JMO

 

[Harmony 2]

I thought GZ said that he grabbed his gun because he said TM had seen it.

I wouldn't be a bit surprized if GZ didn't flash his gun at TM when he questioned why he was there...lifted his jacket, perhaps....not sure...could have been at any time during the conflict. IMV

This is solely my own opinion, and no witness that was present has ever said this but I clearly hear "Don't shoot!" in the 911 call. Again this is just my opinion of what is in the call.

 

[gracielee]

Can anyone direct me to a site that has past trial testimony? I missed this mornings witness and would like to watch his testimony later. Thanks.

 

[katiewonders]

Have you seen GZ's hands after this life threatening battle?

You mean the ones that aren't marked or cut/bruised because they were most likely, IMO, being pinned down by TM's knees. Believe me, when TM's weight shifted, IMO, or something else happened to give GZ the freedom of movement he needed, he wasn't going to punch the attacker, he was going for the gun to protect his life. It is understandable how RZ's hands were unmarked, IMHO.

 

[Lovelymountains]

Seriously? If he was the one getting beat up, why wouldn't he be screaming? There were no injuries on Trayvon Martin prior to gunshot wound. So why would Trayvon be screaming for help?

So IMO, because there were no injuries on Trayvon Martin, and thank you for saying that, it proves to me that he did not hit GZ with his fists. One cannot throw 30 punches to someone else's face and come out of it pristine. IMO

 

[mom23gr8kids]

I don't think it is manipulation by Nancy Grace OR the media since everyone offline I've discussed this murder with think GZ was on top of TM when he murdered him and that the pattern of gunpowder residue on the TM's clothing came from GZ grabbing his double layer of clothing and holding it up in order to fire at his purposed target, the victim's heart region. As we know, the gun didn't go off accidently, it was carefully aimed to kill.IMV

You really think if you're gonna kill someone and you want to aim "perfectly to kill" that you pull their clothing out and away from the body before you aim and shoot? What??? I'm sorry but to me that doesn't even make sense.

Can you explain how you think this would occur or even why?

 

[Karmady]

I believe FL law requires lesser included, in this case Manslaughter, and they have done so. IMO

It's not required. It's up to the judge to charge it. See the opinion from the DCA I posted yesterday reversing Judge Nelson on that very issue.

 

[iluvmua]

I believe FL law requires lesser included, in this case Manslaughter, and they have done so. IMO

And IMO, if the jury goes by what the evidence suggests and by Fl Law, George will be found not guilty on all charges.

lucky for him, if he does get found guilty, he will be appealing and most certainly win his appeal and the guilty verdict will be overturned and all charges dropped.


JMO

 

[Harmony 2]

Can anyone direct me to a site that has past trial testimony? I missed this mornings witness and would like to watch his testimony later. Thanks.

Here ya go gracielee...

http://www.youtube.com/user/croakerqueen123/videos

 

[DIBSY]

But how many of us are 17 year old boys? Most kids that age have no fear. Ah...the good old days when we all thought we were immortal.

Hmmm, can agree to a point..they usually think nothing of jumping off a high cliff into the ocean, or driving too fast on a curvy road....but I think their reaction changes completely when they are being pursued by an adult stanger in a vehicle and on foot.:moo:

 

[AZWatcher]

Have you seen the evidence in this case?

just wondering

I have. I find it hard to believe GZ hadn't (likely on several occasions) while skulking around at night (with a gun in his pocket) LOOKING FOR TROUBLE ... thought the scenario through. He was in pursuit... It had to have occurred to him that if he kept up his pursuit... there could be an altercation.

 

[gracielee]

IMO GZ lost him only for a few seconds and after that, TM never had the ghost of a chance to escape him.

The witness yesterday, Rachel, stated in her testimony that Martin was hiding in/behind a bush. And all the witnesses so far have testified that it was pitch dark outside. That's why they weren't able to *see* anything.

 

[justbeachy]

I completely agree with the comments about the judge being "snippy" to the defense. With the state, she comes across as sunshine and lollipops. With the defense, her voice drips with disdain.

 

[popsicle]

The pros asks each witness where they reside, and for those who lived at the complex, he asks whether they currently live in Seminole county. He specifically does not ask them their current address, but whether they lived in the complex during February 2012.

They may or may not still live in their townhome. He is simply trying to protect their privacy. It does not necessarily mean that they moved.

I don't think he would be pointing out their townhomes then. jmo

 

[AZWatcher]

I disagree. You can't attack someone who is pursuing you. That is called assault/battery and is against the law. If GZ would have stood down and waited for the police to get there he could of been the dead one. He was protecting himself from bodily harm which is not against the law. JMO

The best protection of all? Get your butt back into your car.

 

[DIBSY]

Ok, however... TM was well within his rights to protect himself with bodily force from someone who was clearly PURSUING him ... in the dark ... for no apparent reason. GZ would have been well within his rights to stand down and let the police handle things.

Brilliantly expressed !! At the end of the day, it's as simple as that, methinks.:seeya: