George Zimmerman /Trayvon Martin General Discussion #6

[iluvmua]

TM was about 70 yards north of where his father's GF lived.

He could have easily made it home, if he chose to.

He had been to the complex numerous times before.

 

[?noanswer]

No. They got to stay because they are his family. They may be called.

But GZ's parents are his family. What's the difference. I'm confused.

JMO

 

[?noanswer]

TM's parents are allowed in the court room because of Supreme Court rule. Family of victims are allowed in courtroom regardless of whether they tetify.

Thanks, now I understand!


JMO

 

[PaperDoll]

I don't think he was following him. I think he was just trying to see where he went. Maybe he was afraid he was being followed and did not want to lead this guy to his own door.

Was getting out of the car the best thing to do? Maybe not. But that does not lead to a murder charge. They collided out there. That is a fact.

But we have no proof that it happened any other way than GZ said.

And Think about it. Here he is in the middle of a courtyard in this altercation. For all he knows there are hundreds of people watching. For all he knew someone could have seen the event from start to finish. But he did not clam up, Or call for a lawyer. He starts talking ASAP and tells them what happened.

He is not going to lie. IT makes no sense.

I disagree :blushing: He just killed someone and wants to avoid doing time so I believe he is going to paint the story in his favor. I'm not saying I don't believe everything GZ is saying, I simply don't believe he's telling all.

Also, he really didn't need to know where he went, once TM ran, why see where he went? GZ is "assuming" TM is up to no good simply because he was standing around and not trying to get out of the rain, some people don't mind being in the rain. Apparently GZ got out of his car in the rain, so why can't anyone else be out in it..

 

[Just K]

Just so we are clear, when GZ fired a shot under Trayvon's tribute picture button, he ended, not just ruined, TM's life.

 

[TexMex]

But he knew to not follow and he did anyways. He got out of the car, in the rain to find TM. He should have simply stayed in the car and let the police handle it. TM ran because he didn't like GZ watching him.

This is the problem IMO

if GZ stayed in car...

if TM had just run home...

But it is what it is. Both were on a public sidewalk, a fistfight ensued, then the guy who had a bloody head and face and also was lawfully carrying a gun deafened himself against further bodily harm.

 

[MeeBee]

I don't think he was following him. I think he was just trying to see where he went. Maybe he was afraid he was being followed and did not want to lead this guy to his own door.

Was getting out of the car the best thing to do? Maybe not. But that does not lead to a murder charge. They collided out there. That is a fact.

But we have no proof that it happened any other way than GZ said.

And Think about it. Here he is in the middle of a courtyard in this altercation. For all he knows there are hundreds of people watching. For all he knew someone could have seen the event from start to finish. But he did not clam up, Or call for a lawyer. He starts talking ASAP and tells them what happened.

He is not going to lie. IT makes no sense.

I think he was following him and then following in the sense that he wanted to find out the direction he'd gone in and possible even find him. I don't know that he was looking for a confrontation though and that does not make it murder. I think he was prepared to use the gun but I don't think he was seeking to use it.

 

[Chelly]

But GZ's parents are his family. What's the difference. I'm confused.

JMO

GZ is The Suspect not the victim. VICTIMS family are allowed in courtroom regardless of whether they testify! TM is the Victim. TM's parents are his family, thus allowed in courtroom

 

[iluvmua]

I disagree :blushing: He just killed someone and wants to avoid doing time so I believe he is going to paint the story in his favor. I'm not saying I don't believe everything GZ is saying, I simply don't believe he's telling all.

Also, he really didn't need to know where he went, once TM ran, why see where he went? GZ is "assuming" TM is up to no good simply because he was standing around and not trying to get out of the rain, some people don't mind being in the rain. Apparently GZ got out of his car in the rain, so why can't anyone else be out in it..

Everything he is saying so far is supported by evidence so i highly doubt he would come up with a story and it just so happens that everything he says fits with the evidence.

 

[MeeBee]

Everything he is saying so far is supported by evidence so i highly doubt he would come up with a story and it just so happens that everything he says fits with the evidence.

It's possible he is painting a more favorable story for himself around what he knows really happened. Jodi Arias did the exact same thing. MOO.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I disagree :blushing: He just killed someone and wants to avoid doing time so I believe he is going to paint the story in his favor. I'm not saying I don't believe everything GZ is saying, I simply don't believe he's telling all.

Also, he really didn't need to know where he went, once TM ran, why see where he went? GZ is "assuming" TM is up to no good simply because he was standing around and not trying to get out of the rain, some people don't mind being in the rain. Apparently GZ got out of his car in the rain, so why can't anyone else be out in it..

No way. Maybe if he lawyered up right away, Or if he did not talk but there is no reason for him to lie when there could have been many many people watching. He knew he was in front of windows and on display. He had no idea what people could or could not see. The thing is there is NOTHING to prove it did not happen just as GZ said. That is the issue. Everything he said works with the evidence.

If I looked out my window and someone was just standing there, regardless of race or sex I would be concerned if they stood there too long. Especially if it was pouring as the witnesses said it was that night.

 

[ncgramma]

I agree with some of the posters, it's boring.. lol.. It's hard to tell who was screaming when you have 2 people involved in a fight. I think the tone of the scream is telling, it sounds like someone is fearful for their life. I believe it was TM, I believe he saw the gun as GZ was trying to pull it out of his holster and the desperate cries begin, then they stop right after the shot was fired. :twocents:

In order to come to that conclusion you'd have to believe that there were some 30 seconds in which Zimmerman was pointing the gun at Trayvon before GZ pulled the trigger. How does that correspond with Good's testimony that there were punches being thrown? Are we to presume that GZ would point a gun at Trayvon and not fire while Trayvon pounded him? I can't wrap my mind around how this would transpire.

 

[PaperDoll]

Maybe he should have but again that does not make it murder. It was his neighborhood. He had every right to be out there and walk around. I don't think we have any proof of what TM did. None. He was there and he was gone. His friend Rachel has a reason to be biased and also is only going on what she heard. Her alone. To me she was not a credible witness.

But a unarmed teen was killed because of GZ assuming he was up to no good. TM ran from GZ plain and simple, these are GZ own words. If I were on the jury, I would wonder why he had to get out to find him when he should have known better to stay put. The dispatcher thought GZ was still in his car when he asked "let me know if he does anything" meaning if he pulls a gun on you since you said he's circling your car. TM had the neighborhood watch manual, went to meetings, etc and they say to not follow or confront, but GZ did just that. Did he have to answer TM when TM asked why he was following him? No, he could have walked away and went back to his car. :twocents:

 

[iluvmua]

Plus GZ's family is on the witness list and that is why they are not in the courtroom.

 

[iluvmua]

It's possible he is painting a more favorable story for himself around what he knows really happened. Jodi Arias did the exact same thing. MOO.

It is possible but I doubt it.

JMo

 

[MeeBee]

It is possible but I doubt it.

JMo

I don't.

 

[Chelly]

No way. Maybe if he lawyered up right away, Or if he did not talk but there is no reason for him to lie when there could have been many many people watching. He knew he was in front of windows and on display. He had no idea what people could or could not see. The thing is there is NOTHING to prove it did not happen just as GZ said. That is the issue. Everything he said works with the evidence..........

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GZ believed he was within his rights. Believing something doesn't make it real, doesn't make it lawful.

 

[Just K]

Some people believe that GZ had planned, for some time, that the next time he saw a similar kid that he was going to preemptively call NEN, follow the kid and then if necessary detain the kid.. He put hollow points in the weapon and chambered one just in case the kid fought back. Ah, and had his story ready in advance re: SYG

 

[ncgramma]

This question was asked to me as well. How far was TM's Father's girlfriend's residence from where he was killed?

Approximately 300 ft. And given DeeDee's testimony that TM told her he was "In back of" Mr. Martin's fiance's house at one point, I'm wondering if that would mean TM walked past the house and continued on down the path before encountering GZ ... who was approaching the altercation spot, the "T", from the other direction.

 

[Sweet Fox]

I agree. They also did not have a Grand Jury approve the murder indictment.
It is scary to think the state can just make up charges like this and charge someone with murder -- it could easily cause the defendant to file for bankruptcy and lose everything they (and their parents) own, not to mention utterly ruin their reputation and quite possibly even make them fear for their life from the public.

It could utterly ruin a persons life.

Isn't it standard procedure to go to the Grand Jury on a murder indictment? What reason did the State give for not going to the GJ? I hope when this is all over, GZ sues for damages.