George Zimmerman /Trayvon Martin General Discussion #7

[William N]

Who is the "them" you would call that? Every black man walking through the neighborhood?

So if a strange black man is walking through the neighborhood, stepping on people's lawns and peering in windows, it is not suspicious?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

What I'm saying is GZ didn't do that because TM was found with his hand under him, not spread out like he said.

I still don't see a problem with that. I think he did in fact pull at TM's arms and pull them out somewhat. That still works for me. If TM was clutching his chest and fell as some think His arms would have been completely under him. folded. The way his arms are at his sides, that still works for me..

OMO

 

[gxm]

Who is the "them" you would call that? Every black man walking through the neighborhood?

The commenter clearly said that the "them" were "strangers."

 

[Chester_from_THM]

They showed a lot of video of the police questioning George (if you can even call that mess questioning), played audio of questioning and showed video of George going to the neighborhood to explain what happened to an officer.

The videos show a few things. One being that the police automatically believed his version of events and did not treat him as a suspect. Zimmerman's explanation also came off as implausible and there were a lot of contradictions which the female officer pointed out. One being that George said Trayvon circled his car but later backtracked that he didn't not come that close and did not circle it entirely when the officer asked him why didn't .

Respectfully snipped and BBM.

This "investigation" was a complete farce, IMO. I am not surprised that detective was demoted, there essentially was no investigation, IMO. It was basically, 'Well George, looks like you did what you had to, now go home and get a good nights rest.'

All are my opinions.

 

[Justice4MyPeople]

Don't even try that with me. "Them" meaning "strangers in the neighborhood" who had ROBBED many houses in the recent months.

How would you know a random stranger was a robber? You'd just assume right?

If a person was proven to be a robber who robbed many houses in your neighborhood they'd be in jail, not walking through your neighborhood so once a again who would you be calling a punk? Are you going to go to the jail and call them a punk? Because unless there's been a conviction and you know for a FACT that person is a robber they're innocent.

So once again, we come back to the point of you assuming INNOCENT people walking through your neighborhood, no matter what the color who fit a certain stereotype to you would be labeled a robber and a punk...sad.

 

[Tricia]

Who is the "them" you would call that? Every black man walking through the neighborhood?

Dear Justice4MyPeople,

First, Welcome to Websleuths. Glad you are here with us and I look forward to your posts.

We do not allow insinuating, or suggesting, anyone is a racist on this forum just because they state an opinion.

It adds nothing to the conversation and only causes people to become upset which then stops the flow of conversation via posting.

Although I don't know exactly what the poster meant when they used the term, "They" I am pretty she/he was talking about the criminals who had broken in homes in the area and got away with it.

Nothing to do with race.

If someone on Websleuths posted a racist comment it would be removed immediately and most likely so would the poster. We would not tolerate it for one second.

Please be mindful of this while posting

Thank you,

Tricia Griffith
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[nnglas]

But GZ didn't know that at the time. TM didn't live there, and was therefore, a stranger.

I get what you are saying. I really do. However why isn't TM given the same courtesy? He didn't know if GZ was a serial killer either. I don't understand why GZ is allowed to afraid for his life, but TM isn't, when someone clearly follows him, and when asked say they don't have a problem.

When was the last time you have heard of someone being followed by someone and there reaction to it? Rarely because usually when someone is followed harm comes to them.


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[LaLaw2000]

But GZ didn't know that at the time. TM didn't live there, and was therefore, a stranger.

That is exactly why GZ should have identified himself or waited until he actually saw Trayvon breaking the law, IMO. You can't just assume anyone is up to no good.

MOO

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

How would you know a random stranger was a robber? You'd just assume right?

If a person was proven to be a robber who robbed many houses in your neighborhood they'd be in jail, not walking through your neighborhood so once a again who would you be calling a punk? Are you going to go to the jail and call them a punk? Because unless there's been a conviction and you know for a FACT that person is a robber they're innocent.

So once again, we come back to the point of you assuming INNOCENT people walking through your neighborhood, no matter what the color who fit a certain stereotype to you would be labeled a robber and a punk...sad.

This is not people taking a stroll in daylight. The place has been robbed. There is a guy standing on his neighbors lawn that he does not know. He is just standing in the pouring rain and not moving.

That would be suspicious to me. I think if TM was just walking somewhere GZ would have not thought anything of it. But he seemed to be standing on his friends lawn with no purpose.. That would be suspicious yes.

OMO

 

[JudyBolton]

What I'm saying is GZ didn't do that because TM was found with his hand under him, not spread out like he said.

This has been explained over and over - TM was still alive and able to move his own arms - the natural response was to move them toward the center of his body or toward the injury. Totally consistent. imo

 

[popsicle]

The only witness who has told their story the same every time is RJ. The only time she was tripped up was with her initial telling where she said GZ responded to TM with "What are you talking about?" That's because it was not in the Crump transcript which she, apparently, memorized. JMO. OMO. MOO.

She actually has not told the same story. For one, she added that she heard TM say "get off, get off." She added while on the witness stand iirc.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/29/justice/zimmerman-trial-recap?hpt=ju_t2

 

[Just K]

This thread is running like molasses. I'll be back later... But until then,
I had one thing I wanted to point out.

If GZ was able to push off the dead weight of TM, why was he not able to push off the lighter of the living weight of TM? Just saying, GZ didn't even appear to try to get out from under a live TM nor did he try to kick, bite, hit TM or defend himself in any way but to SHOOT TM.

 

[Justice4MyPeople]

Dear Justice4MyPeople,

First, Welcome to Websleuths. Glad you are here with us and I look forward to your posts.

We do not allow insinuating, or suggesting, anyone is a racist on this forum just because they state an opinion.

It adds nothing to the conversation and only causes people to become upset which then stops the flow of conversation via posting.

Although I don't know exactly what the poster meant when they used the term, "They" I am pretty she/he was talking about the criminals who had broken in homes in the area and got away with it.

Nothing to do with race.

If someone on Websleuths posted a racist comment it would be removed immediately and most likely so would the poster. We would not tolerate it for one second.

Please be mindful of this while posting

Thank you,

Tricia Griffith
Co-Owner Websleuths.com

I didn't insinuate, I didn't understand what they meant and who "they" were so I simply asked. I never accused, just asked what they meant.

We aren't allowed to ask people to clarify things?

 

[gxm]

How would you know a random stranger was a robber? You'd just assume right?

If a person was proven to be a robber who robbed many houses in your neighborhood they'd be in jail, not walking through your neighborhood so once a again who would you be calling a punk? Are you going to go to the jail and call them a punk? Because unless there's been a conviction and you know for a FACT that person is a robber they're innocent.

So once again, we come back to the point of you assuming INNOCENT people walking through your neighborhood, no matter what the color who fit a certain stereotype to you would be labeled a robber and a punk...sad.

So there should be no neighborhood watches or LE street patrols? No suspect descriptions in kidnapping, robberies, or assaults? There's no point trying to prevent (or solve) crime since all criminals are innocent until they're convicted?

 

[Jane Jetson]

This is MY opinion only!! this is the only place I feel safe to post my opinion without getting yelled at.

I have watched hundreds if not thousands of trials in the last 14years as a court observer/gawker only. I have never looked at the evidence of a trial and believed so wholeheartedly someone was being railroaded in my life.

I feel if the media had not mislead the public on soooo many things with honest to God lies, this would not be at trial. Add in the actual President of the damn united states getting in on it based on the media coverage and you have what we see here, a railroading of a man that was attacked and fought back.

"Railroaded" was the first word I thought of when opening up WS this morning. And I thought the fact that our president, rather than waiting and watching what happened with the case, as you'd expect from a leader, just jumped in with both feet and inflamed the country, was beyond bizarre.

I think this weirdness bears watching. Media doctoring recordings? Talking heads and even the leader of the free world not relying on facts, but on the worst-case scenario? There's a game afoot here, folks, and it is NOT in the favor of America's people! :moo:

Do I think he is innocent. Double hell yes! Do I think he will be convicted? absolutely. This poor man is being railraoded. and were I on this jury I would be terrified to find him innocent despite the fact that the entire prosecution's case, IMO, has supported a self defense claim. I would find him innocent, dont' doubt it, but I would be terrifed.

Thanks for letting me vent and tell my opinions without attacking me.

There are so many people seeing through this charade that I don't think those actively lying about it will be able to pull it off. And it's people like you voicing your opinion that will save us from whatever those who want to "divide and conquer" have in mind for the future. :twocents:

 

[costalpilot]

Please post a link to proof Trayvon "ambushed" or attacked Zimmerman first.

Do you think it's reasonable for a teenager to not fear their life when being followed by a stranger?

depends entirely on the teenager. there are teenagers who fight all the time. there are teenagers who look for fights, are always ready for a fight, who are aggressive and are not fearful of fights.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

She actually has not told the same story. For one, she added that she heard TM say "get off, get off." She added while on the witness stand iirc.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/29/justice/zimmerman-trial-recap?hpt=ju_t2

Also when asked how she knew that GZ had hit TM first she said.. : " IT HAD TO BE.. " OR something to that affect.

A lot of her testimony is her perception of events based on her bias not facts that can be investigated or backed up.

So for me, Her testimony has not much weight...

OMO

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

This thread is running like molasses. I'll be back later... But until then,
I had one thing I wanted to point out.

If GZ was able to push off the dead weight of TM, why was he not able to push off the lighter of the living weight of TM? Just saying, GZ didn't even appear to try to get out from under a live TM nor did he try to kick, bite, hit TM or defend himself in any way but to SHOOT TM.

TM weighed the same and had GZ and was fighting him.. That is different than TM just sitting On top have a conversation with him. You don't know how hard he was fighting to get away from TM. I bet dang hard as he was screaming for help... OMO

 

[nnglas]

This has been explained over and over - TM was still alive and able to move his own arms - the natural response was to move them toward the center of his body or toward the injury. Totally consistent. imo

Really? He moved his hands after he was shot and GZ was on his back? GZ said he did the above after he shot and got from under TM, and was on his back and moved his arms.


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[ScarlettScarpetta]

According to GZ, TM did ask his intentions.


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I think he said he said...

" DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM??? " Or something to that affect...

That is not really asking intentions but picking a fight.. OMO