George Zimmerman /Trayvon Martin General Discussion #7

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  • #101
This thread is running like molasses. I'll be back later... But until then,
I had one thing I wanted to point out.

If GZ was able to push off the dead weight of TM, why was he not able to push off the lighter of the living weight of TM? Just saying, GZ didn't even appear to try to get out from under a live TM nor did he try to kick, bite, hit TM or defend himself in any way but to SHOOT TM.

Because the lighter living weight was throwing punches and using his muscle to hold GZ in place. Dead weight is just dead weight and it is not actively engaging and using muscle along with fighting techniques. For instance, IMO, it's easier to carry a sleeping toddler than it is to try to carry one that is having a tantrum.
 
  • #102
So there should be no neighborhood watches or LE street patrols? No suspect descriptions in kidnapping, robberies, or assaults? There's no point trying to prevent (or solve) crime since all criminals are innocent until they're convicted?

I'm starting to think that may be the point - to get people to SHUT UP and STAND DOWN, no matter what.
 
  • #103
Really? He moved his hands after he was shot and GZ was on his back? GZ said he did the above after he shot and got from under TM, and was on his back and moved his arms.


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It is completely possible.. OMO
 
  • #104
The PROS was yelling the words.. GZ said them under his breath.. more like exasperation to me than anger... OMO
 
  • #105
"Railroaded" was the first word I thought of when opening up WS this morning. And I thought the fact that our president, rather than waiting and watching what happened with the case, as you'd expect from a leader, just jumped in with both feet and inflamed the country, was beyond bizarre.

I think this weirdness bears watching. Media doctoring recordings? Talking heads and even the leader of the free world not relying on facts, but on the worst-case scenario? There's a game afoot here, folks, and it is NOT in the favor of America's people! :moo:

There are so many people seeing through this charade that I don't think those actively lying about it will be able to pull it off. And it's people like you voicing your opinion that will save us from whatever those who want to "divide and conquer" have in mind for the future. :twocents:

ITA. Some of the testimony that's been allowed is beyond troubling. I don't understand how Dee Dee/ aka Diamond Eugene/ aka Rachel's testimony was not stricken from the record. Not sure how all that works, but I don't think any legitimate court would let that beyond-suspicious and dishonest testimony sway a jury in a murder trial of all things. The judge is extremely pro prosecution imo too. All moo.
 
  • #106
So there should be no neighborhood watches or LE street patrols? No suspect descriptions in kidnapping, robberies, or assaults? There's no point trying to prevent (or solve) crime since all criminals are innocent until they're convicted?

I never said that. The poster specifically said "those walking through their neighborhood that robbed several homes" and I pointed out you wouldn't know that. You could suspect them but what if you were wrong in your suspicions? What if the person you thought was a "suspect" was really another person? Unless you have PROOF that that person is indeed the perpetrator, which you wouldn't because if they were convicted they'd be in jail, you have no right to profile random people.

Police can't just go up to someone and arrest them because they "look" like a suspect or a criminal, they have to actually have proof that that person committed the crime so why should a civilian be able to just assume someone is a criminal and a "punk" just because of their own biases?

Sorry but the American justice system doesn't work that way.
 
  • #107
They found tool in the bushes, A piece of an awning or window in the bushes.. Like a slim jim.. to open locks to break in a vehicle..

IT was found after the event.

In the bushes behind a resident not far from event.

That is testimony from serino..


Interesting is OMO
 
  • #108
Where the case sits thus far in my opinion:

The only evidence for self defense is Zimmerman's word and judgement... both of which have been shown to be false and questionable.

Despite Z's claim, Martin was not under the influence of drugs. Despite Z's claim, Martin did noy have anything wrong with him, nor was he up to no good. Despite Z's claim, Martin almost certainly did not return from behind the buildings at the T to circle Z's truck in a threatening manner. Despite Z's claim, Martin almost certainly did not approach Z with his hand in his waistband, then while holding something in his hand.

Despite Z's claim, it is unbelievable that Z's did not remember the street name, and even more unbelievable that he was searching behind the buildings for a house number. Despite Z's claim to the contrary, we know from the location of the fight that Z continued to pursue Martin all the way to the point of the fight. Despite Z's claim we know that Martin did not knock Z down and begin pounding his head on the sidewalk at the T intersection. Despite Z's claim, we know that Martin did not punch him in the face twenty times, or smother him, or muffle his cries, and it is questionable whether his head ever hit the sidewalk at all.

We know that there was a fight of some kind. We don't know who started it, we don't know who was winning, but we do know that neither party was particularly injured prior to the gunshot. We know that Zimmerman apparently never even tried to physically defend himself. We know, based on witness testimony and physical evidence, that Zimmerman plays fast and loose with the facts.

We know that Martin was scared and had tried to avoid the fight altogether. We know, based on physical evidence and witness testimony, that Zimmerman pursued Martin over and over and over again. He pursued him when he entered the property, he pursued at the clubhouse, he pursued down Twin Tree lane, he pursued him between the buildings, he pursued until they met.

At SOME point Zimmerman must advance some kind of evidence to support his claim that this was self-defense. He's the one making this claim, and his team needs to support it in some way. So far they have not done so. So far all we have is the statement of a guy with (at best) terrible judgement and a track record for lying.
 
  • #109
I didn't insinuate, I didn't understand what they meant and who "they" were so I simply asked. I never accused, just asked what they meant.

We aren't allowed to ask people to clarify things?

You are allowed to ask to clarify. Some of your posts had to do with race. It is an easy assumption to make. However since you have clarified it for me I apologize.



To all posters on this thread please remember:

Please keep race out of this discussion. We are talking about the trial that is under way now. So far nothing about race has been presented.

Thank you.
 
  • #110
It is completely possible.. OMO

Ok.

You asked me up thread about impossibilities of GZ statements.

How does someone repeatedly slam your head into concrete, hold your nose and mouth and reach for your gun at the same time?




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  • #111
Nothing illegal about GZ following TM, per this witness.
 
  • #112
I think he said he said...

" DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM??? " Or something to that affect...

That is not really asking intentions but picking a fight.. OMO

According to GZ:

TM: Do you have a problem?

GZ: No.

TM: You have a problem now!


I believe this situation happened very quickly. And if George did, in fact, say "no,", then TM could have asked him what he was doing, or left the area. But, instead, Trayvon escalated the situation by punching Zimmerman in the face, of which there is evidence.

:twocents:
 
  • #113
Also when asked how she knew that GZ had hit TM first she said.. : " IT HAD TO BE.. " OR something to that affect.

A lot of her testimony is her perception of events based on her bias not facts that can be investigated or backed up.

So for me, Her testimony has not much weight...

OMO

My point was that RJ's testimony appears IMO to be the most rehearsed and IMO that makes its veracity questionable. JMO. OMO. MOO.
 
  • #114
Wow. I didn't know they'd found a slim jim in the bushes days later. Did I just hear that right?
 
  • #115
Also when asked how she knew that GZ had hit TM first she said.. : " IT HAD TO BE.. " OR something to that affect.

A lot of her testimony is her perception of events based on her bias not facts that can be investigated or backed up.

So for me, Her testimony has not much weight...

OMO


No one, but GZ, heard TM say "got a problem, homie?" Only GZ said that. RJ heard it differently and reported it as she heard it to be. I believe her over how GZ said it, JMO..
 
  • #116
Ok.

You asked me up thread about impossibilities of GZ statements.

How does someone repeatedly slam your head into concrete, hold your nose and mouth and reach for your gun at the same time?




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Fights are fast and confusing.. I think it is possible it was all going on at the same time at some point. I have seen people really scuffle and it is fast and crazy..

I believe this could in fact be true..
I asked you for LIES as you see them. Not impossibilities.. I think any thing is possible..
I am open to all sides and am willing to be convinced, I just don't see it.
OMO
 
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  • #118
depends entirely on the teenager. there are teenagers who fight all the time. there are teenagers who look for fights, are always ready for a fight, who are aggressive and are not fearful of fights.

I read an article last weekend, it was just an opinion piece, written by a young man who got into a cycle of looking for a fight. Since it was just opinion I don't think I can post it here, but basically he was musing on Trayvon's recent history before the shooting Feb. 2012, and how his level of violence was escalating in the same way the author of the journal's level of violence escalated in his late teens. Talking about the thrill of the fight and how it becomes habitual to seek opportunities for conflict.

Eye-opening. So I wouldn't characterize Trayvon as "terrified and needing to defend himself" but rather, as bored and welcoming the opportunity to fight a man smaller than himself.

This is my opinion, and the opinion of the blogger only, based on information the blogger passed on that hasn't been verified in MSM fully.
 
  • #119
Where the case sits thus far in my opinion:

The only evidence for self defense is Zimmerman's word and judgement... both of which have been shown to be false and questionable.

Despite Z's claim, Martin was not under the influence of drugs. Despite Z's claim, Martin did noy have anything wrong with him, nor was he up to no good. Despite Z's claim, Martin almost certainly did not return from behind the buildings at the T to circle Z's truck in a threatening manner. Despite Z's claim, Martin almost certainly did not approach Z with his hand in his waistband, then while holding something in his hand.

Despite Z's claim, it is unbelievable that Z's did not remember the street name, and even more unbelievable that he was searching behind the buildings for a house number. Despite Z's claim to the contrary, we know from the location of the fight that Z continued to pursue Martin all the way to the point of the fight. Despite Z's claim we know that Martin did not knock Z down and begin pounding his head on the sidewalk at the T intersection. Despite Z's claim, we know that Martin did not punch him in the face twenty times, or smother him, or muffle his cries, and it is questionable whether his head ever hit the sidewalk at all.

We know that there was a fight of some kind. We don't know who started it, we don't know who was winning, but we do know that neither party was particularly injured prior to the gunshot. We know that Zimmerman apparently never even tried to physically defend himself. We know, based on witness testimony and physical evidence, that Zimmerman plays fast and loose with the facts.

We know that Martin was scared and had tried to avoid the fight altogether. We know, based on physical evidence and witness testimony, that Zimmerman pursued Martin over and over and over again. He pursued him when he entered the property, he pursued at the clubhouse, he pursued down Twin Tree lane, he pursued him between the buildings, he pursued until they met.

At SOME point Zimmerman must advance some kind of evidence to support his claim that this was self-defense. He's the one making this claim, and his team needs to support it in some way. So far they have not done so. So far all we have is the statement of a guy with (at best) terrible judgement and a track record for lying.

We don't know a lot what's in that post. imo
 
  • #120
Mercy me, the litany of lies presented by GZ are being exposed quite explicity this morning by the Prosecution. IMO Leads one to believe they are aware of the critiques aimed at their waaay too gentle approach up until today. IMO

The self defense charade is crumbling extensively, during the testimony shown live on HLN this morning. Bet the Jury is all ears. IMO

Two detectives determined that GZ was indeed " following" Trayvon Benjamin Martin after he had " profiled" him as a Suspect / Suspicious figure..." potential criminal ." The police testimony demonstrates that he was following TBM B E C A U S E he had already decided he was a criminal. IMO

They dispelled the ideas that Zimmerman was looking for an address or street number ( he was actually hot on the trail of TBM ) as well since one was right in front of him ( house number ) and since there are only three streets in the complex and he was on the main one, after living there three years, how could he not know both, the Number directly in front of him as well as the street name? IMO

Though I still think the Prosecution is cooperating far too much with the defense; I think they are trying to make at least partial ammends this morning. IMO
 
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