George Zimmerman /Trayvon Martin General Discussion #7

[PaperDoll]

So do I, PaperDoll, in fact in my estimation she has been the most candid , honest witness thus far, among non-experts. IMO When I think of the dialogue she could have placed in the mouths of the two, I think she was VERY conservative.

I agree, her statement was the same, she may be hard to understand, but she is consistent on what she heard and didn't waver from it. If she was lying I think she would have taken her lie even further, but she didn't, in fact she said that the phone call was cut off and didn't hear anything more.

 

[lauraoh]

Does anyone know who the State's Attorney for Seminole County?

I'm just curious because BDLR is Assistant State's Attorney for the Fourth Judicial Circuit of Florida - and Seminole County is in the Eighteenth judicial Circuit.

Was he appointed as a Special Prosecutor?

 

[Hopeful One]

I think GZ is guilty as sin but I have to admit, I really like O'Mara. Great lawyer. Very likeable.
IMO

 

[DIBSY]

I find it hard to believe TM could do all these things at the same time. Also if your nose and mouth are being held how you can scream so loud and clearly.

I also find it odd that a teenager without a gun would say "you are going to die to night mfer. How was he going to kill him by punching him?


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Precisely! The detective this morning said in so many words that there was no apparent reason for following and challenging Trayvon Benjamin Martin Because he was unarmed, hadn't done anything wrong or suspicious and was not carrying any sort of weapon. IMO

He also brought out that TBM was a " skinny kid " and that Zimmerman was neither a " kid " nor " skinny " at the time. Plus the fact that Zimmerman was heavily armed IMO, gave TBM him no excuse whatsoever to be afraid, suspicious or kill him in cold blood. IMO JMO MOO

We're being reminded as we type that Zimmerman himself said he was following TBM. IMO On HLN tv.

 

[JeannaT]

Curious, but do you refer to anyone walking through your neighborhood that you don't know, "Them"?

I think there's some context here. Someone who appears to look like Trayvon did, race aside, fit the appearance of those who had been caught burglarizing.

It's unlikely GZ would have been suspicious of an elderly lady walking a little fluffy dog that he didn't recognize, regardless of race.

Trayvon, sadly, DID fit the appearance of recent burglars. Regardless of race.

IMHO.

 

[popsicle]

No they can't. They have to have probable cause. If they do they are doing something illegal.


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No they don't, all they have to do is pull them over for something and they ask can I search your car. If they ask you to step out they can pat you down. jmo

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Curious, but do you refer to anyone walking through your neighborhood that you don't know, "Them"?

I would if there was burglaries in my neighborhood..

I can see me calling and saying.. " There is a strange person guy on my street.. We have had burglaries and I am wondering if could be one of them that has been committing crimes.. "

 

[PaintingAnemone]

BBM.

But they can pull them over and search them for no apparent. It has happened to my son. (FTR, my son is not an AA teenager.)

They CAN, but they're not supposed to. So typically what they'll do is make up an excuse of some kind to justify the stop.

Example: I know a guy who was pulled over, car searched, etc., and the officer claimed it was because his air freshener (yes, it was one of those little scented trees) constituted a driving hazard because it could block the driver's view. No, I'm not making this up. I wish I were.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Specifically?

We don't know TM was scared at all, he seemed angry to me, I think they found THC in his system, we don't know that GZ pursued him, per he detective, and I believe GZ' injuries are proof that he was attacked and that it justified self defense. I don't know how else he would have sustained the injuries, GZ was certainly injured as evidenced by the post-fight photos, etc. imo.

 

[Isabelle]

So this witness thinks the confrontation is evidence that GZ followed TM? Oops, guess he forgot that TM could walk or run as well. Witness then says there's no tabginble evidence that GZ followed TM.

Still waiting for the state to show GZ as a bloodthirsty murderer. imo

Witness must not have listened to the 911 recording.

 

[DIBSY]

Does anyone know who the State's Attorney for Seminole County?

I'm just curious because BDLR is Assistant State's Attorney for the Fourth Judicial Circuit of Florida - and Seminole County is in the Eighteenth judicial Circuit.

Was he appointed as a Special Prosecutor?

I believe he was...and Why is rather a long story if I'm not mistaken. IMO

 

[gxm]

No they can't. They have to have probable cause. If they do they are doing something illegal.


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There's the law, and there's the reality. LE can come up with any excuse they want. (FTR, they found nothing and let my son go after making him in stand in the cold with no jacket for almost an hour while they picked his car apart.) JMO. OMO. MOO.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I think GZ is guilty as sin but I have to admit, I really like O'Mara. Great lawyer. Very likeable.
IMO

Guilty of what exactly?

OMO

 

[nnglas]

No they don't, all they have to do is pull them over for something and they ask can I search your car. If they ask you to step out they can pat you down. jmo

Correct. Permission or probable cause. They can't just go around searching people. Which was my point.

IMO


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[PaperDoll]

Respectfully, How could you know that? There is no way.. It is just an assumption.

I think the reason some of us are squarely on GZ side is because we see fact that backs it up. It is hard to see the other side without fact and seemingly just emotion as a back up.

I am open to being turned. But there is no fact..
PROSECUTION has to prove MURDER. Prove it not suggest it. There is nothing to their case that proves it.



GZ was ELATED that it could have been video taped... Serino testimony.

that is not someone lying. Sorry. HE is looking for back up of the truth. Im sorry. that speaks volumes to me.. OMO

There is no fact that GZ is telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help me God. TM isn't here to tell his side of the story and someone has to be on his side, IMO. I don't believe everything GZ is saying, I just don't. I do not believe GZ is a murder, I do not believe he went out to kill someone, but someone ended up dead because of his actions. GZ put himself in this position, not the other way around. :twocents:

 

[Tricia]

Dear Websleuths Members,

Please no more posting about who is walking through your neighborhood and why they would or would not be suspicious.

Let's keep the discussion specifically on the case.

Thanks

Tricia
Co-owner Websleuths.com

 

[PaintingAnemone]

There's the law, and there's the reality. [/B]

Exactly. We could go back and forth all day about probably cause and what's legal, but reality is that cops pull people over all the time based on little but their own biases and suspicions.

 

[nnglas]

Exactly. We could go back and forth all day about probably cause and what's legal, but reality is that cops pull people over all the time based on little but their own biases and suspicions.

Yep. And GZ isn't a cop.


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[costalpilot]

Ok.

You asked me up thread about impossibilities of GZ statements.

How does someone repeatedly slam your head into concrete, hold your nose and mouth and reach for your gun at the same time?






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do you honestly believe those are impossible actions to take in a fight? who said all those actions were taken at the exact same second, as you imply? you can slam a head, hold a mouth and reach for a gun within seconds, not to mention within the context of an ongoing fight.

have you ever been in a fight? seen a fight? imagined a fight.

*mod snip*

 

[Hopeful One]

Guilty of what exactly?

OMO

Murder 2.

IMO