George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin General Discussion Thread #8

[lillygator]

that's a really good point....if you are out to kill someone are you really going to call 911? That really does not make any sense.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Ok, here goes my first GZ post... don't hurt me

In my opinion, Captain Carter, the instructor on the stand this morning, was another epic fail for the prosecution. They brought this guy in to briefly testify that he had covered the stand your ground topic in his class, in an effort to prove to the jury that George understood that law (showing that he either lied or misspoke in the Hannity interview).

I think this totally backfired on them. I feel that this was a somewhat desperate attempt by the prosecution to make it appear as if George fabricated this whole self defense thing because he was so knowledgeable about it. In my eyes, that is a big reach. This event happened in a matter of moments and his immediate accounts of what happened have lined up with the witness accounts. John Good, the closest witness to the scene, and seemingly very credible guy, was able to immediately back up pretty much everything that George claimed. If I were on that jury, I would not buy that George randomly saw Trayvon that night, immediately decided he was going to kill him, got out of his car in pursuit and in a matter of minutes created this self defense plan in his head. Not only is there no evidence to support that, which they need, but logically my mind cannot accept that theory.

George getting out of his car to keep an eye on the suspicious person and ascertain an address (whether you believe that story or not) is not adequate proof in my eyes to show that he maliciously murdered that suspicious person.

If he wanted to kill somebody that night, would he really have called the emergency line first? He knew they were on their way. He knew people were watching him - he immediately said that in his statement. If you really want to intentionally kill somebody, surely these are not the best conditions to do it in. And if he is so adequately educated in criminal law as the prosecution is trying to put forth, then even more so he surely would know this is not the best way to commit a crime.

The defense very masterfully used this witness to school the jury on the Florida laws of self defense. Yes, I understand that the law will be read by the judge at the end of the trial prior to deliberation, and that is what the jury needs to consider, but wow I thought it was some powerful stuff to hear it from this instructor. Everything he said fits with what George allegedly did.

All along prior to this trial, I have wanted there to be a clear picture of what happened that night so that Trayvon's family could get some peace and justice. I went in to this trial with my mind and ears completely wide open, honestly thinking that George had some serious explaining to do. I can honestly say right now, I have rarely seen such a weak prosecution case in my life. If I was on that jury, I could very comfortably say not guilty to these charges. I believe that George should be acquitted. This is based on what I know from trial, not what I have heard in the media.

Thank you for hearing my opinions. :seeya:

Thank you. What a great post. May clearer heads prevail.

 

[MouseTheLuckyDog]

Ok so they have all these statistics about races, <modsnip>?

 

[Justice4MyPeople]

What is white hispanic? I never heard of this term before this trial- could it be a way of saying hispanic mix?? Wasn't gz mom hispanic and dad white?

But then he had african american also in his family tree? most people have many colors in their families.
MOO

Hispanic is not a race, it is an ethnic group. You can be a black hispanic (hispanic of african origin) or white hispanic (Hispanic of european origin).

The island of Hispaniola (where the term Hispanic comes from) was inhabited by white colonizers and African slaves, the Hispanic culture was formed with Europeans and Africans so that is why it is not a race.

Zoe Saldana is a black hispanic.

Selana Gomez is a white hispanic.

 

[tpatte021]

IMO - if someone grabbed another person's shaved head and slammed their shaved head into the pavement repeatedly, there would be DNA of the shaved person's head under their fingernails.

 

[Donnareit]

YIKES. So will this finding affect the Zimmerman trial?

I wondered what a citizens grand jury was so I clicked on the link. Stupid me. :banghead:

 

[sorrell skye]

I don't blame the judge, he was disrespectful to her. You don't talk over the judge, she's the one who makes the decisions you aren't going to force her hand. On top of that West diminishes the value of this child's life...hence his distasteful knock knock joke. He is not to be taken seriously and I'm sure the judge has picked up on this.

I have to admit: I don't like Mr. West, either. I like Mr. O'Mara (in terms of the defense attorneys).

Nevertheless, this isn't a popularity contest. If Judge Nelson is basing her rulings on whether or not she likes an attorney, then she's possibly biased and could possibly hamper justice, IMO.

IMO, Richard Hornsby's comments on the recent radio show regarding his prior experience with this judge being pro-prosecution have been born out as I've personally watched this trial.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

that's a really good point....if you are out to kill someone are you really going to call 911? That really does not make any sense.

Right and know that possibly they are already there and watching? That is what I can not get beyond. For all he knew they were already there watching. He is not going to be the aggressor..

OMO

 

[Justice4MyPeople]

that's a really good point....if you are out to kill someone are you really going to call 911? That really does not make any sense.

Yes it does, I watch snapped all the time and every single woman who killed her husband in cold blood who claims it was "self defense" nine times out of ten called the police 1st or immediately after. If you are going to use self defense to cover your butt it's common sense you'd call the police.

 

[DIBSY]

Ok, here goes my first GZ post... don't hurt me

In my opinion, Captain Carter, the instructor on the stand this morning, was another epic fail for the prosecution.

All along prior to this trial, I have wanted there to be a clear picture of what happened that night so that Trayvon's family could get some peace and justice. I went in to this trial with my mind and ears completely wide open, honestly thinking that George had some serious explaining to do. I can honestly say right now, I have rarely seen such a weak prosecution case in my life.

Thank you for hearing my opinions. :seeya:

You bet and Welcome to the discussion !! Your Signature is my favorite part of your post but your opinion makes perfect sense. I have gone so far as to call this trial a conspiracy on Both Sides to set GZ free....However I think the past two days, the Prosecution has done better to a degree...We do see the impact of Carter's testimony differently. I think he showed how the First person to feel he should stand his ground, can suddenly become The Bad Guy, and his victim automatically become the person who is legally standing his ground. The Defense's attempt to obliterate that GZ had lied about the " ever hearing of SYG before was not obliterated though...I think Jurors will see it as just another example of GZ's many outright lies. IMO

 

[Donnareit]

IMO - if someone grabbed another person's shaved head and slammed their shaved head into the pavement repeatedly, there would be DNA of the shaved person's head under their fingernails.

Seems logical. I still contend, however, that GZ could have banged his own head on the sidewalk trying to buck TM off (if TM was on top of him ever). :twocents:

 

[DIBSY]

Yes it does, I watch snapped all the time and every single woman who killed her husband in cold blood who claims it was "self defense" nine times out of ten called the police 1st or immediately after. If you are going to use self defense to cover your butt it's common sense you'd call the police.

Amen to that and we know exactly how savvy GZ was to that!! IMO

 

[MouseTheLuckyDog]

I wondered what a citizens grand jury was so I clicked on the link. Stupid me. :banghead:

You got RickRolled?

 

[AngelWings444]

I was not a perfect teenager but I was NEVER suspended from school, neither were any of my friends. I was also never caught with stolen property or with burgularizing tools.....regular teenagers do not get suspended from school. I don't believe in the "all teens get into some kind of trouble along the way" that is just absurd imo.

That's interesting re Corey indictment....

Trayvon is not on trial here, nor are his records coming in to this trial. The judge has already ruled on this.

 

[PaperDoll]

Ok, here goes my first GZ post... don't hurt me


If he wanted to kill somebody that night, would he really have called the emergency line first? He knew they were on their way. He knew people were watching him - he immediately said that in his statement. If you really want to intentionally kill somebody, surely these are not the best conditions to do it in. And if he is so adequately educated in criminal law as the prosecution is trying to put forth, then even more so he surely would know this is not the best way to commit a crime.

Thank you for hearing my opinions. :seeya:

I do not believe GZ went out to kill anyone that night and I also believe that TM wasn't looking for a fight. However, GZ shot TM and TM died because of it. Something lead up to that and had GZ not been following TM, this would not have happened. I keep going back to this: TM RAN, TWICE from GZ. Once TM ran the 1st time, GZ should NOT have pursued him, IMO. We don't know who started this "fight" first, no one saw it.

 

[PaintingAnemone]

You got RickRolled?

:floorlaugh:

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Trayvon is not on trial here, nor are his records coming in to this trial. The judge has already ruled on this.

TM's past is very relevant. The judge is wrong and anti defense imo

 

[NotMyselfNEMore]

IMO - if someone grabbed another person's shaved head and slammed their shaved head into the pavement repeatedly, there would be DNA of the shaved person's head under their fingernails.

In my opinion, the lack gz dna on tm's hands is a salient point. Also the presence of tm's blood on his own hands despite any exposure is also important. IMO, MOO.

 

[Overuled]

IMO - if someone grabbed another person's shaved head and slammed their shaved head into the pavement repeatedly, there would be DNA of the shaved person's head under their fingernails.

Even if the person used their hands and didn't dig into the skin? Or maybe a few fists on the head is what caused the sidewalk trauma? Fingernails are not always used in a stuggle. MOO

 

[Love Never Fails]

IMO - if someone grabbed another person's shaved head and slammed their shaved head into the pavement repeatedly, there would be DNA of the shaved person's head under their fingernails.

Not unless they scratched them.