George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin General Discussion Thread #8

[Isabelle]

Honestly, what is the relevance of this testimony? Besides the fact that both TM and GZ have dna?

If TM had his hand/s over GZ's nose/mouth and GZ was screaming, there would be DNA from George on TM's hands, from saliva, possible blood, sweat, skin cells.

 

[Nezumi]

Yes it does, I watch snapped all the time and every single woman who killed her husband in cold blood who claims it was "self defense" nine times out of ten called the police 1st or immediately after. If you are going to use self defense to cover your butt it's common sense you'd call the police.

George Zimmerman called the police BEFORE. And knew they were on their way - in fact - could have already been nearby. Do you really believe that he set this up?

 

[missmazzy]

IMO, I find the prosecution's "framing" of the "infamous" hoodie to be quite distracting (and that's just me, being nice).

 

[Overuled]

If TM had his hand/s over GZ's nose/mouth and GZ was screaming, there would be DNA from George on TM's hands, from saliva, possible blood, sweat, skin cells.

Can rain degrade DNA- I always thought so. MOO

 

[PaperDoll]

Seems logical. I still contend, however, that GZ could have banged his own head on the sidewalk trying to buck TM off (if TM was on top of him ever). :twocents:

I, too, have wondered about that regarding his head injuries. I had thought he may have scratched it trying to get off the pavement when TM was on top. There was struggling going on and during the struggle there would be scrapes and scratches, IMO. (lol, I'm starting to say IMO a lot, even when talking to my hubby) Do I believe TM pounded GZ's head into the pavement, he could have, but we don't know for sure. I also believe, again IMO, that TM saw the gun and was struggling to keep GZ from using it. TM may have been trying to knock GZ out so he wouldn't use the gun on him. :twocents:

 

[Karmady]

Right and know that possibly they are already there and watching? That is what I can not get beyond. For all he knew they were already there watching. He is not going to be the aggressor..

OMO

And George knew for a fact that John was watching since John spoke to them. I think he also told him that he was calling 911, but I'm not 100% sure so, imo.

 

[Donnareit]

Can rain degrade DNA- I always thought so. MOO

I think so too, however, the victim was face down with his hands underneath him. So his hands would not have been rained on very much.

 

[Isabelle]

Hispanic is not a race, it is an ethnic group. You can be a black hispanic (hispanic of african origin) or white hispanic (Hispanic of european origin).

The island of Hispaniola (where the term Hispanic comes from) was inhabited by white colonizers and African slaves, the Hispanic culture was formed with Europeans and Africans so that is why it is not a race.

Zoe Saldana is a black hispanic.

Selana Gomez is a white hispanic.

It is highly probable that I am a mixed hispanic, because Cuba never recognized one race different from the other, they were all 1.

 

[JeannaT]

In my opinion, the lack gz dna on tm's hands is a salient point. Also the presence of tm's blood on his own hands despite any exposure is also important. IMO, MOO.

Tm was photographed with his hands underneath his torso after being shot. That would certainly leave his blood on his hands. IMHO

 

[Love Never Fails]

Yes it does, I watch snapped all the time and every single woman who killed her husband in cold blood who claims it was "self defense" nine times out of ten called the police 1st or immediately after. If you are going to use self defense to cover your butt it's common sense you'd call the police.

TM was not killed in cold blood. You are talking a bout a TV show.

 

[DIBSY]

Trayvon is not on trial here, nor are his records coming in to this trial. The judge has already ruled on this.

Precisely AND most of those things are alleged, not corroborated by anyone or anything. As has been asked so many times, why wouldn't the police have been notified IF there were any suspected stolen goods...neither were the parents notified..all another hoax, like the online hacking. IMO

 

[tpatte021]

Even if the person used their hands and didn't dig into the skin? Or maybe a few fists on the head is what caused the sidewalk trauma? Fingernails are not always used in a stuggle. MOO

IMO - I thought GZ stated that TM grabbed his head and pounded it into the pavement multiple times; if TM did grab GZ's head, GZ's hair wasn't long enough to grab onto, so I would guess that TM would have had to grab GZ's head with his fingernails and they would dig in.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

If TM had his hand/s over GZ's nose/mouth and GZ was screaming, there would be DNA from George on TM's hands, from saliva, possible blood, sweat, skin cells.

Not necessarily.. Especially if his sleeves were long.. And the rain, and the movement..

I Don't see that as a big obstacle..

OMO

 

[Just Sailing Thru]

I think so too, however, the victim was face down with his hands underneath him. So his hands would not have been rained on very much.

If Irrc it had been raining all day..heavy @ times.. The grass what wet..What that means?? guess the def will bring it up

 

[AngelWings444]

There was NO foreign DNA on the cuffs of Trayvon's sweatshirt. This is huge! IMO

 

[NotMyselfNEMore]

Not unless they scratched them.

I believe,so in my opinion only, blood will show under fingernails, and isn't degraded by rain. IMO, MOO.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

IMO - I thought GZ stated that TM grabbed his head and pounded it into the pavement multiple times; if TM did grab GZ's head, GZ's hair wasn't long enough to grab onto, so I would guess that TM would have had to grab GZ's head with his fingernails and they would dig in.

From what I understood he said TM grabbed his jacket or chest.. In fact that is the motion he makes when talking about it.. Not his head but like he grabbed his clothes which is a normal way of rumbling if you ask me..

OMO

 

[PaintingAnemone]

In my opinion, the lack gz dna on tm's hands is a salient point. Also the presence of tm's blood on his own hands despite any exposure is also important. IMO, MOO.

I also think that the presence of his own blood despite possible exposure to the elements is important. If GZ's blood had been on TM's hands, wouldn't it still be there (as indicated by the fact that TM's own blood is still there)? And I can't see how TM could hit a bleeding man in the face repeatedly and/or grip a bald, wet, bleeding head and not get anything on his hands or sleeves from the elbow down, or under his nails.

So, imo, I'm hearing yet more testimony that indicates the alleged beating that GZ claims he got is extremely unlikely.

 

[Overuled]

IMO, I find the prosecution's "framing" of the "infamous" hoodie to be quite distracting (and that's just me, being nice).

I own what everyone calls "hoodies" and Ive had them for years- They've been making jackets and sweat shirts with hoods for a very long time but in our modern world we have once again associated something like a hooded jacket with a person or an idea of sorts- all of this labeling has to stop- don't you think? MOO

 

[missmazzy]

If Irrc it had been raining all day..heavy @ times.. The grass what wet..What that means?? guess the def will bring it up

But they would have gotten wet from the grass. I think the rain washed most of the DNA away (unfortunately).