George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin General Discussion Thread #8

[ShadyLady]

Yes, and conversely, NW IMO does not condone carrying a loaded gun while "Watching" nor does it recommend following and confronting someone you suspect of a crime. In fact, IMO, I don't think NW volunteers are taught to do anything other than report suspecious activity to police and then wait for LE to handle it. Certainly it does not recommend that you shoot and kill someone you have determined to be suspicious. IMO

Please post evidence Zimmerman confronted Trayvon. Surely if his intent was to confront, why not do if by the street where it was lit....why do it in a darken alley way behind houses. LE asked him for directions of where Tray was going....and Zimmerman attempted to do so. He did it for maybe a minute more than he needed to but again, not against the law, just poor judgement.

Poor judgement does not equal murder. Poor judgement....trying to beat a red light, etc. putting yourself in danger when it was not necessary.

 

[Chelly]

I like and respect this no-nonsence judge! She's not letting the defense push her around!

 

[cinsbythesea]

Boy could Judge Stephens in the Arias case learn a lot from this judge! I really like her no-nonsense style. Very firm.

 

[missmazzy]

I understand the judge is concerned about the jury, but hamstringing he defense isn't the way to do it. Just MO.

 

[NancyGracesBangs]

Judge is saying end of dicussion and he can continue talking about this after state rested and wants the jury to come in. She is prepared to go as long as needed today and Judge getting stern to end this now.

West wants Crump depositions done and wants more time before defense starts case. Judge not having it, mentions the jury sequestration

 

[cityslick]

Yes, and I do put weight to her testimony. IMO the most relevant and important part of her testimony is that TM told her that he had arrived in back of the condo where he was staying. TM told RJ, according to her sworn testimony, that the person following him was back. Then RJ heard TM ask "Why are you following me?" to someone whom he indicated had been following him, presumably RZ. Then she heard someone, again presumably RZ since we know of no one else in the area, say "What are you doing here?"
IMO that leaves little doubt that RZ followed him to TM's father's finacee's condo and the confrontation started there and moved to the area where TM met his death. IMO RZ forced TM to accompany him, perhaps at gunpoint and perhaps intending to take him to his vehicle, but TM resisted after they had gone part way, and TM was killed for doing so. All, of course, IMO. IMO the only person who has anything to gain by not telling the truth is RZ.

Even if everything she said is the truth, GZ asking TM 'what are you doing here' is not against the law and it's not justifiable for TM to attack GZ based on that question.

 

[Just Sailing Thru]

Crumps testimony ought to be quite interesting...IMO

 

[AngelWings444]

I understand the judge is concerned about the jury, but hamstringing he defense isn't the way to do it. Just MO.

They have had a month to depose Crump. That is more than enough time. IMO

 

[Chelly]

This trial would be a good tutorial for law students....IMO, of course.

 

[popsicle]

Not a good day for West to be doing this as the judge starting out the day in a grumpy mood imo. lol

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Yes, and I do put weight to her testimony. IMO the most relevant and important part of her testimony is that TM told her that he had arrived in back of the condo where he was staying. TM told RJ, according to her sworn testimony, that the person following him was back. Then RJ heard TM ask "Why are you following me?" to someone whom he indicated had been following him, presumably RZ. Then she heard someone, again presumably RZ since we know of no one else in the area, say "What are you doing here?"
IMO that leaves little doubt that RZ followed him to TM's father's finacee's condo and the confrontation started there and moved to the area where TM met his death. IMO RZ forced TM to accompany him, perhaps at gunpoint and perhaps intending to take him to his vehicle, but TM resisted after they had gone part way, and TM was killed for doing so. All, of course, IMO. IMO the only person who has anything to gain by not telling the truth is RZ.

BBM, If that is true than why was he 70 yards from there when him and GZ met up... If you take that as true, Then that shows that he went back out looking for GZ.

OMO

 

[JeannaT]

What? I thought he was going to call Crump?

 

[cityslick]

Crump is going to get destroyed by the defense, you just know it. The state wanted no part of Benjamin Crump being involved with this case.

 

[AngelWings444]

Please post evidence Zimmerman confronted Trayvon. Surely if his intent was to confront, why not do if by the street where it was lit....why do it in a darken alley way behind houses. LE asked him for directions of where Tray was going....and Zimmerman attempted to do so. He did it for maybe a minute more than he needed to but again, not against the law, just poor judgement.

Poor judgement does not equal murder. Poor judgement....trying to beat a red light, etc. putting yourself in danger when it was not necessary.

Everyone can ask others to do the opposite, post EVIDENCE that Trayvon confronted Zimmerman. There is no evidence that Trayvon confronted GZ. Only the person's word, who is trying to get out of a prison sentence.

 

[Nymeria]

One of George's profs was testifying via Skype. On direct, a few people called the Skype number, which was conveniently broadcast via the live feed and the pop ups showed on the screen in court. Then, after the State was done and it was time for the defense's cross, people kept calling the witness on Skype over and over until the Court finally had to shut it down.

Lets be fair. The bombing started with the "Salmon" person towards the end of States questioning....and "Salmon" continued to keep busting in.
Then another person jumped on the bandwagon....State wrapped up....Defense got on and "Salmon" kept calling in, but then more and more people started trying to ring in.
This was all within about a 5-10 minute period. I am pretty sure there is no "Anti-Defense" conspiracy, I think it is more about one person saw the first person doing it, thought it was hilarious, and it caught on. That is why it seemed like the defense was getting hit harder.
I am sure if the state had gone 5 minutes more THEY would have been up at the point when all the trolls caught on to the fact that they could skype into this trial.

Also- I LOVE THIS JUDGE! Finally someone who considers the jury and their time!!

 

[Just Sailing Thru]

In re: to mods..I do hope we can keep this thread open..IMO we are all respnsible adults and can act accordingly in following site rules...There are many things I would like to say , however in defference to this site's rules I will go else where to elalborate.. Think we can all abide by that

 

[iluvmua]

Crumps testimony ought to be quite interesting...IMO

yes it is, considering the fact that he does not want to be depoed by the defense.

it will be very interesting jmo

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...ase-phone-with-trayvon-moments-benjamin-crump

 

[Donnareit]

Yes, and I do put weight to her testimony. IMO the most relevant and important part of her testimony is that TM told her that he had arrived in back of the condo where he was staying. TM told RJ, according to her sworn testimony, that the person following him was back. Then RJ heard TM ask "Why are you following me?" to someone whom he indicated had been following him, presumably RZ. Then she heard someone, again presumably RZ since we know of no one else in the area, say "What are you doing here?"
IMO that leaves little doubt that RZ followed him to TM's father's finacee's condo and the confrontation started there and moved to the area where TM met his death. IMO RZ forced TM to accompany him, perhaps at gunpoint and perhaps intending to take him to his vehicle, but TM resisted after they had gone part way, and TM was killed for doing so. All, of course, IMO. IMO the only person who has anything to gain by not telling the truth is RZ.

This scenario would clear up one piece of testimony that I found confusing which was how the neighbor heard them running coming from left to right. Well, sort of because it still would not explain why they were running if the conversation took place at TM's stepmom's condo. :moo:

 

[Wolfpack Fan]

IMO, if the Arias case had this judge, the trial would have been over in a month to six weeks. We would not have heard all about Jodi and Travis's sexual escapades, we would never had heard the lies about the pedophilia, we wouldn't know the names Bobby Juarez and Matt McCartney. We probably would have heard only about Darryl since Jodi lived in the house they were buying together during the time she was actually "going with" Travis.

 

[Trident]

Bumped up.

Pretty much agree with your whole post. And let me say one more thing....there have been several times I have called LE on "white" suspicious teens. And there are two (white) teens that live close to me that were charged with breaking into a church. Suspicion can be color blind. I wish we had a Neighborhood Watch in my current community. But after this case, I am sure less people will want to get involved.

It doesn't matter about the color of one's skin. What matters is suspicious behavior, and TM displayed that, IMO. I come from a Philly suburb, and there are LOTS and LOTS of suspicous young people. Not all are criminals, but a LOT ARE.

So, GZ should have turned tail and moved on. I an thankful he didn't, even though I don't live in Florida. I wish Le was more proactive where I live.

Of course this is only MY OPINION. some people may like living in fear of young punks, who can know?