George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin General Discussion Thread #8

[Love Never Fails]

they have a very good reason as to why they want to talk to him imo.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...ase-phone-with-trayvon-moments-benjamin-crump

from link:

Defense attorneys want to learn more about Crump's dealings with the state's most important witness, a young Miami woman who was on the phone with Trayvon moments before Zimmerman shot the Miami Gardens 17-year-old to death Feb. 26, 2012, in Sanford.

Crump discovered her and recorded an interview with her before police even knew that she existed or that Trayvon had been on the phone with anyone.

Defense attorneys argue that since she's now admitted to lying - both during Crump's interview and during another session while under oath - they should be able to press Crump for details to determine if she made other misstatements.

Those lies are her claim during Crump's interview that she was 16 years old, when she was really 18. Also, she told Assistant State Attorney Bernie de la Rionda under oath that she had missed Trayvon's wake and funeral because she was in the hospital.

Two weeks ago during her deposition, she admitted the misstatements and told defense attorneys that Trayvon's mother was present during both interviews and that's the reason she said she had been in the hospital.

IMO, this is why they want to question him.

Rachel's testimony on the stand touched on this issue as well.

Oh thanks so much.

Rachel is one whose testimony I did not believe at all.

 

[MouseTheLuckyDog]

Product rule call Wayman to the stand.

 

[Karmady]

IIRC Parks works for Crump's law firm.

He's Crumps partner. Same ilk, imo. He's just running damage control at the moment, also imo.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

African american, hispanic, caucasion. No white hispanic??

 

[AngelWings444]

Ah, so that's what DW meant when he said one of the lawyers couldn't leave the courtroom during the trial. Maybe one should.....

They have another guy who does their depos...for some reason, they haven't done Crump's in a month. I think the defense wanted a nice long weekend. Judge was having no part of it. Good! It's not fair the jury sits in a hotel for 4 day because the lawyers didn't do their jobs. We need to think of juries first, especially when sequestered. :twocents:

 

[Sonya610]

African american, hispanic, caucasion. No white hispanic??

Or black Hispanic?

 

[cityslick]

When someone calls 911 about a suspious person, the 911 operator who takes the call asks for a description of the person/persons. In order to give that info you have to know what kind of person, white black etc.

Most of the time they will ask what color the person is as they did in the gz call that the media just happened to leave out.

One of the keys to identifying a suspect or suspious person is what they look like, clothes etc- and what race or color they are. Its part of LE training.

TM was profiled in a way if thats what you want to label it. It has to be done no matter what color you are.

I think if everyone can understand how this works more people would understand how this all got started.

A young man standing around on a dark drizzly night looks out of place. Someone sees him and calls a NEN to let them know that something is out of place and may be a problem since the area had quite a few break ins. Nothing wrong with that right?

They tell gz that they don't need him to follow but he wants to find an address number- he turns to go back to his truck and the suspious person jumps out and confronts him. So far gz has done nothing illegal.

Didn't miss Rachel say that tm was almost home or at home and went back- I need to find that- but anyway so far we have a young man that was very suspious and gz was concerned-

Thats all this event started out to be. It has nothing to do with skin color other than what a few in the media claimed because of their own views.
Plus all the chatter about gz wanting to be a cop at one time. So what? I think thats a GOOD thing don't you?

That shows me that he had a goal to help people and it really shows since he took on the job of neighboorhood watch that he has a genuine concern for ALL the folks in the complex which is a mix of blacks browns whites and reds.

But he was labeled AGAIN. Now hes called a "Wanna be Cop"- so we got racist, profiler, murderer and wanna be cop-

Looks like a hanging to me- I sure found out a lot in the past few days. Paying close attention to the testimony I believe that the witnesses see this also.

This has been a witchhunt, it always has been. This story was framed by the media at the very beginning and because of that, people have developed preconceived notions as to what did and did not happen without any regard to the truth. At the end of the day nobody can prove that GZ intentionally or wanted to gun down TM. There are theories galore, but no proof. GZ was judged guilty simply by saying what he did on the 911 call 'they always get away' and getting out of his car. Everything after that is flat out guessing. This case ultimately proves that a 28 year old with a gun does not automatically make someone a gun crazed killed just like a 17 year old unarmed male isn't the most innocent person would wouldn't harm a fly.

 

[Karmady]

Karmady, he is there. He's not allowed in the courtroom and can't do anything else because he is on the witness list. Once he is off the witness list, I am sure we will hear from him.

That's right. I remember him having to leave now that you mention it. And he has been on some shows, iirc. Thanks!

 

[sorrell skye]

Not a good day for West to be doing this as the judge starting out the day in a grumpy mood imo. lol

Defense attorney Richard Hornsby said on a recent broadcast of Tricia's radio show that Judge Debra Nelson is typically pro-prosecution in murder trials (paraphrasing). His comments were based upon his court interactions with Judge Nelson when he tried murder cases in Judge Nelson's courtroom.

IMO, after watching the interactions between Mr. West & Judge Nelson, I'd speculate that Judge Nelson doesn't like Mr. West.

 

[missmazzy]

He's Crumps partner. Same ilk, imo. He's just running damage control at the moment, also imo.

Well he's a very good actor, he had me fooled. He's the polar opposite of Crump, IMO.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I realize this....and I believe this is why we are all here...there is a trial going on. :seeya:

Sometimes, in THIS country, people are guilty and still get off at trial. A court finding a person non-guilty, doesn't always mean the person is "innocent".

I will never believe that GZ is "innocent". No matter how this turns out, GZ is responsible for his actions that night. He put the wheels in motion. He had many other choices than killing an unarmed teenager. Whether he is found guilty in a court of law or not, this was completely avoidable. IMO

Yeah, Casey Anthony was guilty and she walked didn't she? Although there WAS overwhelming evidence against Casey. Here we have nothing but self defense. I wonder why the state didn't prosecute this as manslaughter? If I was a juror, I couldn't sentence GZ to prison when I don't know what really happened. But if they really do want to hang the guy, manslaughter might have been more palatable for some. See, we don't really know who put the wheels in motion. I really do believe GZ was defending himself.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Okay can someone tell me what DNA evidence they plan to make a big deal out of?

Or is this just another pointless expert witness (like the fingerprint expert) to give the impression the state is providing real evidence? When in fact it seems they are just adding a lot of pointless tech speak that means nothing? IMO.

Exactly my thoughts. They put these witnesses up for no apparent reason.

 

[Justice4MyPeople]

Defense attorney Richard Hornsby said on a recent broadcast of Tricia's radio show that Judge Debra Nelson is typically pro-prosecution in murder trials (paraphrasing). His comments were based upon his court interactions with Judge Nelson when he tried murder cases in Judge Nelson's court.

IMO, after watching the interaction between Mr. West & Judge Nelson, I'd speculate that Judge Nelson doesn't like Mr. West.

I don't blame the judge, he was disrespectful to her. You don't talk over the judge, she's the one who makes the decisions you aren't going to force her hand. On top of that West diminishes the value of this child's life...hence his distasteful knock knock joke. He is not to be taken seriously and I'm sure the judge has picked up on this.

 

[PaintingAnemone]

African american, hispanic, caucasion. No white hispanic??

Well, a white father and Hispanic mother can certainly be construed as being a white Hispanic.

FWIW, the original police report identified Zimmerman as a white male.
http://cnninsession.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/martinpolicreport.pdf

Imho, his racial identity wasn't a problem until Zimmerman's obvious profiling of the victim came to light. Then GZ was suddenly Hispanic, because I guess Hispanics can't ever be racist?

 

[AngelWings444]

Yeah, Casey Anthony was guilty and she walked didn't she? Although there WAS overwhelming evidence against Casey. Here we have nothing but self defense. I wonder why the state didn't prosecute this as manslaughter? If I was a juror, I couldn't sentence GZ to prison when I don't know what really happened. But if they really do want to hang the guy, manslaughter might have been more palatable for some. See, we don't really know who put the wheels in motion. I really do believe GZ was defending himself.

I don't believe it was self-defense. But, thank you for your thoughtful post. Totally agree with you on FCA! Still ticks me off that she got away with killing that sweet baby. :furious:

 

[Lovelymountains]

Even if everything she said is the truth, GZ asking TM 'what are you doing here' is not against the law and it's not justifiable for TM to attack GZ based on that question.

You are right, nor did I say it was against the law.

 

[sacrablue]

What evidence? Can you point me to the bush?

to Officer Singleton as per GZ
GZ headed back to his vehicle. At that point GZ said TM jumped out of some bushes, punched him and he fell to the ground.

What bush is a great question IMO?

 

[Just Sailing Thru]

thought there wasn't any DNA?

 

[Overuled]

African american, hispanic, caucasion. No white hispanic??

What is white hispanic? I never heard of this term before this trial- could it be a way of saying hispanic mix?? Wasn't gz mom hispanic and dad white?

But then he had african american also in his family tree? most people have many colors in their families.
MOO

 

[Nezumi]

Honestly, what is the relevance of this testimony? Besides the fact that both TM and GZ have dna?