George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin General discussion

[iluvmua]

Are you saying TM lived in those apartments? I don't believe he did. I thought he was taking a short cut through the apartments. jmo

Trayvon did not live there, His father's girlfriend lived there.

 

[Karmady]

If I understand correctly, he wasn't walking through apartments. He was walking through the townhouse complex where his dad's fiancee lived and where is he was going home to. He did not live there, he was only visiting.

A minor point, but since you mentioned it, it was not his fiancee's home. Tracy was married to another woman at the time.

 

[Nymeria]

He was however THERE! And if the screams were Trayvon's, clearly he heard them. And he knows there were people home...eyewitnesses could testify to the screams.

He knows the screams happened - whether they were his or Trayvon's. So they would be included in his retelling. Whether his retelling is factual is another matter.

OAN - are you all aware George Zimmerman's father is a retired judge? I don't know all of the specifics (what type of judge, etc). Since George was allowed to go home that night, what do you think the chances of George talking to his dad about what happened? I am gonna say pretty high! LOL!! Wonder what THAT conversation consisted of?

ALSO a good point....
Wonder if anything in this trial will EVER get me off the fence?!?

 

[iluvmua]

I think Trayvon's father's girlfriend lived in those apartments.

She did

 

[JudyBolton]

Actually they do. kinda.. Even people who see things in front of them can not always tell the exact events even being there in the moment with smell, hearing, seeing the event.

Recordings can still be up to interpretation. And some may hear something different than others.

in my opinion the most compelling evidence about the screams is the fact that GZ stated in the interview (immediately after the event) the he (GZ) was calling for help. He (at that time) did not know it had been recorded, would be important, or that there would be any controversy about who was calling out.... I also believe everyone's voice changes under duress - especially if one if afraid for their life.

 

[lisalei321]

I believe that the reason that GZ was not arrested that night is because everything the police saw backed up his story. He was up front and open. He told them everything they wanted to know, He was not hiding or lying or covering up.

I think they let him go because they believed it was indeed self defense.

I "think" the detective that interviewed him, wanted to arrest him for manslaughter, but was over-ruled by the now fired police chief.

JMO, MOO..

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[kaRN]

He was walking back to his car when he was attacked and punched in the nose by Trayvon.

Why was he out of his car is the real question. He was told to stand down and agreed he would.

 

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That is the cutest avatar ever!

Hey, where are the smilies? They must be around here somewhere...

 

[especiallyheather]

HA.. Let me know how this works for you.. So far I have a night cleaning schedule..

So after hearing morning openings.. I think the Defense is finally making good points. Rocky start though.

I actually have put dinner in the crock pot, put a load of laundry in the wash and hung up a shower curtain in the kids bathroom. Not too shabby

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Me too SS!! I don't know what to say about the behavior of TM. I watch the kids on my street of the same age and can only say, there's a reason they aren't legally responsible yet. On the same note though, I wonder why the neighborhood watch guy didn't know what street he was on or who lived in the neighborhood or why GZ didn't yell out 'hey kid, do you live here?'

My inner Mama of sons who wear hoodies because all urban kids wear hoodies is having a hard time with this case. Thanks for helping me think out of my box SS!

Its tough. AS a mother of sons, I have that ache in my heart for this kid. But on the other hand this was a big dude even at 17. He was not walking on the sidewalks but lurking on the property of home owners. If I saw a person in a hoodie standing on my neighbors lawn, That I knew did not belong there, I would have been suspicious too. Especially if we had break ins recently.

To me in this respect, GZ is acting just as I would. I would have been suspicious and called the police, I would have been looking for him so I could tell Police where he went.

I go to this.. If he was just wanting to hurt the kid, Or get back at all the kids causing trouble in the neighborhood, He would not have called police until after the event. Not before. Not calling them to come..

 

[Jhpuffy]

Not necessarily. Noses don't always bleed immediately especially if the person is laying on his back, When he sits up it will bleed.

I have things that bother me here.

If TM belonged there why didn't he just say that. " I live here man.. "

I have questions about his behavior.

BBM For that matter, why didn't GZ introduce himself to TM as being a member of neighborhood watch? That might have cleared the whole matter up without any violence.

 

[iluvmua]

I believe that the reason that GZ was not arrested that night is because everything the police saw backed up his story. He was up front and open. He told them everything they wanted to know, He was not hiding or lying or covering up.

I think they let him go because they believed it was indeed self defense.

This is my understand as well. They didn't charge him because they could not say that his story was total BS and that he was lying to them about what happened.

 

[especiallyheather]

That is the cutest avatar ever!

Hey, where are the smilies? They must be around here somewhere...

I was thinking the same thing... thought by ad blocker blocked them, but they are on the other threads in reply?

 

[Steely Dan]

Knock knock
Who's there?
George Zimmerman
George Zimmerman who?
You can be on the jury

har dee har har

Yeah, that was bad. It took a while, but defense is doing ok IMO. Started off pretty rocky, but has hit his stride now.

Why would either a prosecutor or a defense attorney think that a knock knock joke is a good way to start a MURDER trial! A murder trial isn't a laughing matter. JMO

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

You can hear cries for help until the moment of the shot the defense is saying.
No reason to call for help when you have no more threat.

 

[iluvmua]

If I understand correctly, he wasn't walking through apartments. He was walking through the townhouse complex where his dad's fiancee lived and where is he was going home to. He did not live there, he was only visiting.

Correct

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Why was he out of his car is the real question. He was told to stand down and agreed he would.

I think he was already out of the car when he was told not to follow.

 

[tinkabella]

Not necessarily. Noses don't always bleed immediately especially if the person is laying on his back, When he sits up it will bleed.

I have things that bother me here.

If TM belonged there why didn't he just say that. " I live here man.. "

I have questions about his behavior.

how do you know he was given the chance and why does he have to tell him that he lived there? George already had it in his mind that he was a suspicious character, if you walk down the street and some strange man is following you do you tell him "I live here man"?

 

[Jane Jetson]

Why was he out of his car is the real question. He was told to stand down and agreed he would.

He wasn't told - it was a suggestion. And probably because it was his neighborhood, I guess he felt some responsibility as a part of a watch group, and the person looked very suspicious. Oh, and there had been a break-in recently.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Witness says according to defense that he saw GZ staggering and asking "am I bleeding?"