George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin General discussion

[iluvmua]

To what Marah and MeeBee said above (forgot to quote)-

That is the one thing that pushes me towards it being TM screaming help.
If it was GZ and he just shot a kid, would he not keep yelling "HELP!" to get people out there? If it truly was a self defense thing I would want to get people around.

Then again, he could have been in shock.

*Sigh* Nothing is gonna be easy with this case.

He was yelling "help" just before he shot him, after he shot him, you don't hear anyone yelling for help.

Nobody would come out to help him, He says that in the police reports.

I'm thinking he probably was in shock, I know I would be

And why would TM be yelling for help? He did not have a broken nose nor was his head being pounded into the ground. He could have got off of GZ and left.

 

[Karmady]

To what Marah and MeeBee said above (forgot to quote)-

That is the one thing that pushes me towards it being TM screaming help.
If it was GZ and he just shot a kid, would he not keep yelling "HELP!" to get people out there? If it truly was a self defense thing I would want to get people around.

Then again, he could have been in shock.

*Sigh* Nothing is gonna be easy with this case.

The "Helps" were before the shot. There's the tape and at least one eyewitness to that.

 

[Reader]

Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 2m
Defense will continue opening statement at 1:30.

Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 1m
We are about to recess for lunch.

Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 2m
West says #Zimmerman got emotional with a coworker in explaining what happened during shooting the night before.

Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 5m
West says #Zimmerman was told at midnight the night of the shooting that he wasn't being charged "yet" and could go home for night.

Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 3m
Style note: While state went through broad strokes of the case facts/its theory, the defense is going through every detail.

Jeff Weiner Jeff Weiner ‏@JeffWeinerOS 10m
West says witnesses in the case "have lawyered up," but #GeorgeZimmerman didn't, talked to cops after shooting. #TrayvonMartin
Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 8m
West says #zimmerman fully cooperated with authorities during investigation of shooting.

Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 12m
West showing jury another photo if #Zimmerman injures and says he "took quite a wallop" to his nose.

Corey Dade Corey Dade ‏@CoreyDade 14m
Defense counters state about gun as "ready to fire:"Holster "no big deal" & gun "double action only, designed to be carried loaded" #GZtrial
Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 14m
West also points out Trayvon's size of 5'11".

Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 14m
West shows jurors photo of #TrayvonMartin at 7 Eleven. Says he will tell jury why important he bought 23 oz can if tea.

Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 18m
West: "The way #georgezimmerman was carrying the gun was the way it was supposed to be carried."

Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 22m
West showing jury picture witness took of #zimmerman after shooting: "We know he was injured more than just this."

 

[especiallyheather]

Just marking my spot..
I. WILL. NOT. NEGLECT. MY. HOUSE. DURING. THIS. TRIAL. <---trying to convince myself

 

[kaRN]

JMO, but I honestly believe it is George screaming because he was the one who had the broken nose and his head was being hit on the pavement.

Why would Trayvon be screaming if he was the one doing the beating?

Because he was fighting for his life. How would there not be DNA from GZ on TM if he were attacking him?

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

The person doing the beating would probably not be yelling for help. Even if TM spotted GZ's gun he still would not be yelling for help.

yep, he could of

Did they mention if Trayvon had wounds on his hands?

Just wondering.

I know George had the wounds on the back of his head and his nose had been hit. Did Trayvon punch George in the nose first, and after being lunched in the face George fell only for Trayvon to get on top of him and bash the back of his skull on the ground?

What did both of their hands look like?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Just marking my spot..
I. WILL. NOT. NEGLECT. MY. HOUSE. DURING. THIS. TRIAL. <---trying to convince myself

HA.. Let me know how this works for you.. So far I have a night cleaning schedule..

So after hearing morning openings.. I think the Defense is finally making good points. Rocky start though.

 

[MeeBee]

His lawyers can't council him to lie though. Maybe there's a 'problem' that wouldn't stand up to cross.

IDK, I've heard his version and it sounds pretty solid.

 

[Beyond Belief]

I like the way the defense attorney is doing this. Same not threatening tone that GZ used in the call to 911.

 

[Steely Dan]

Ok, I just got home from the doctor and errands. What'd I miss? I heard the defense opened with a knock knock joke that went over like a led balloon. What was it and what are people's impressions now?

 

[Wolfpack Fan]

In the interrogation tapes, George says that he was yelling for help. This was the night of or the morning after the shooting. At that time, he would NOT have known that there were 911 recordings of the screams because he had not even left police headquarters yet.

 

[kaRN]

So why are people saying he chased Trayvon? This is an honest question, because I clearly hear the NEN operator say "We do not need you to do that" (follow him) and George Zimmerman says "Okay" and continued to talk to the NEN about his location.

I'm confused on why people state as fact that he followed him? Where are they getting this information?

HLN did a re-enactment of the scenario based on GZ's statements. He followed him in his car and then got out on foot to take a pathway behind the townhouses per the re-enactment.

 

[Karmady]

I wonder if they could get gm to shout for help like an example of his voice.

It wouldn't be the same, imo. Did you watch the Frye hearings? At least one of them testified that you can't really simulate a scream that was made under extremely stressful conditions and it would be unethical (obviously) to recreate those conditions. Maybe a trained actor could, idk.

 

[Mrs.g]

Did they mention if Trayvon had wounds on his hands?

Just wondering.

I know George had the wounds on the back of his head and his nose had been hit. Did Trayvon punch George in the nose first, and after being lunched in the face George fell only for Trayvon to get on top of him and bash the back of his skull on the ground?

What did both of their hands look like?

BBM, IIRC, I think they said he had a small cut on his ring finger on the left hand but that was all concerning the hands. They also said that he was right handed.

 

[corundogs]

Did they mention if Trayvon had wounds on his hands?

Just wondering.

I know George had the wounds on the back of his head and his nose had been hit. Did Trayvon punch George in the nose first, and after being lunched in the face George fell only for Trayvon to get on top of him and bash the back of his skull on the ground?

What did both of their hands look like?

Trayvon had one slight blemish (I forget the exact words used) on his ring finger on his left hand. He is right handed (which one would use to punch with)

And NO DNA from George anywhere on his hands!

Which is how George's actual words (that I posted up thread) don't fit that scenario at all!!! IMO of course.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

In the interrogation tapes, George says that he was yelling for help. This was the night of or the morning after the shooting. At that time, he would NOT have known that there were 911 recordings of the screams because he had not even left police headquarters yet.

That is an awesome point.

 

[iluvmua]

Did they mention if Trayvon had wounds on his hands?

Just wondering.

I know George had the wounds on the back of his head and his nose had been hit. Did Trayvon punch George in the nose first, and after being lunched in the face George fell only for Trayvon to get on top of him and bash the back of his skull on the ground?

What did both of their hands look like?

According to the evidence it looks like GZ was punched in the nose first and knocked down.

according to the autopsy report on TM, he only had a scratch on his knuckle.

This is what the evidence shows.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

A WHY did the 911 operator ask George to keep watching/following the suspect in the first call? George clearly was saying "this man is up to no good. He looks like he's on drugs.". Even if Trayvon wasn't any of those things, the 911 operator should have simply said "OK sir tell me what house he is outside of but please do not pursue. We are sending an officer out now. This man old be armed and dangerous. Thank you for yor service as neighborhood watch. We will take this over now."

Instead, the dispatcher tells him to keep on him before hanging up the phone!

Ugh reminds me of all the deficient 911 dispatchers I've heard of recently (like in the Amanda Berry call!)

 

[MeeBee]

Trayvon had one slight blemish (I forget the exact words used) on his ring finger on his left hand. He is right handed (which one would use to punch with)

And NO DNA from George anywhere on his hands!

Which is how George's actual words (that I posted up thread) don't fit that scenario at all!!! IMO of course.

Then how did George get the injuries if Trayvon wasn't beating up on him?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

What if Trayvon smashed him with his elbow in the face?? And the back of the head wounds require no contact of TM's hands and the wounds.