George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin General discussion

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Then there'd be GZ blood on his hoodie elbow. Elbow to the nose of the <modsnip> stalking a kid who had every right to stand his ground on his home turf as the adult did and the self defense for such is shooting to kill. Really?

Not necessarily. Noses don't always bleed immediately especially if the person is laying on his back, When he sits up it will bleed.

I have things that bother me here.

If TM belonged there why didn't he just say that. " I live here man.. "

I have questions about his behavior.

 

[Overuled]

In the interrogation tapes, George says that he was yelling for help. This was the night of or the morning after the shooting. At that time, he would NOT have known that there were 911 recordings of the screams because he had not even left police headquarters yet.

I agree. Plus gz knew that people were around and could have seen what had happened. There was NO dispute early on in the first days after the event.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

I just don't believe this is plausible. That GZ claimed TM's screams for his own. Too fast and really it doesn't make sense to me. At this point he has no idea anyone else heard screams so why make a up a lie.

Exactly! I agree. He didnt know that the calls for help would be audible in the background of the calls!!!

Then again there is reasonable doubt because he just as easily could have remembered Trayvon was yelling for help and wanted to attribute that to himself. But someone mentioned why would he shoot someone who has already gotten attention and is yelling help?

I'm really interested in seeing what the first witness who saw the scuffle in his yard saw. Is he going to testify??

 

[Chelly]

See Post #285 for Def Atty's Knock Knock Joke

 

[Nymeria]

The "Helps" were before the shot. There's the tape and at least one eyewitness to that.

Yeah, I know they were before.
I said I was just thinking if I was GZ I would be yelling for help AFTER the shot too. I would want people there, I would be saying OMG he came at me, look what he did, I had to defend myself.

And, I am just "supposing".

I am already worried about how this case will end.
No matter what too many people are going to be royally PO'd.
(I also do not think this thread will last....should we start a pool as to what day it will be yanked? Just in opening statements and I already feel the tension :scared.

ETA- My "smilies" are not working =(

 

[LaLaw2000]

In the interrogation tapes, George says that he was yelling for help. This was the night of or the morning after the shooting. At that time, he would NOT have known that there were 911 recordings of the screams because he had not even left police headquarters yet.

JMO, but almost everyone knows that all calls to the PD are recorded. Even the non-emergency calls are recorded. GZ was a Criminal Justice major. He knew he was being recorded I just betcha.

ETA: He surely would have known SOMEONE would have called by then. (just to clarify)

 

[mck16]

Then there'd be GZ blood on his hoodie elbow. Elbow to the nose of the <modsnip> stalking a kid who had every right to stand his ground on his home turf as the adult did and the self defense for such is shooting to kill. Really?

Are you saying TM lived in those apartments? I don't believe he did. I thought he was taking a short cut through the apartments. jmo

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Yeah, I know they were before.
I said I was just thinking if I was GZ I would be yelling for help AFTER the shot too. I would want people there, I would be saying OMG he came at me, look what he did, I had to defend myself.

And, I am just "supposing".

I am already worried about how this case will end.
No matter what too many people are going to be royally PO'd.
(I also do not think this thread will last....should we start a pool as to what day it will be yanked? Just in opening statements and I already feel the tension :scared.

You made me think about this.. But shooting someone is traumatic too. My best guess would be that GZ was stunned by the shot. That he was scared and then had just stopped someone from beating him.. He may have just been spent. Just an idea...

 

[raine1212]

Snipped by me

(I also do not think this thread will last....should we start a pool as to what day it will be yanked? Just in opening statements and I already feel the tension :scared.


This thread will last as long as everyone acts like adults and post wisely.. just a FYI..
No need for a poll.

 

[iluvmua]

He was however THERE! And if the screams were Trayvon's, clearly he heard them. And he knows there were people home...eyewitnesses could testify to the screams.

He knows the screams happened - whether they were his or Trayvon's. So they would be included in his retelling. Whether his retelling is factual is another matter.

OAN - are you all aware George Zimmerman's father is a retired judge? I don't know all of the specifics (what type of judge, etc). Since George was allowed to go home that night, what do you think the chances of George talking to his dad about what happened? I am gonna say pretty high! LOL!! Wonder what THAT conversation consisted of?

George's dad is a retired magistrate judge from Virginia and he retired before they moved to Florida.

 

[Wolfpack Fan]

I think Trayvon's father's girlfriend lived in those apartments.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I believe that the reason that GZ was not arrested that night is because everything the police saw backed up his story. He was up front and open. He told them everything they wanted to know, He was not hiding or lying or covering up.

I think they let him go because they believed it was indeed self defense.

 

[iluvmua]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tG9RW3e5PQ\

I did a quick search to post this video that I have watched before (there is a newscast on either side of the video)

How does George end up where he is, which looks like sidewalk and pathways, not anywhere his car could be?

And how in the ,<modsnip> does Trayvon not have ANY of George's blood on him if this is what happened?

These are not the words of anyone OTHER THAN GEORGE!!!

He was walking back to his car when he was attacked and punched in the nose by Trayvon.

 

[nawd68]

Are you saying TM lived in those apartments? I don't believe he did. I thought he was taking a short cut through the apartments. jmo

If I understand correctly, he wasn't walking through apartments. He was walking through the townhouse complex where his dad's fiancee lived and where is he was going home to. He did not live there, he was only visiting.

 

[Nymeria]

In the interrogation tapes, George says that he was yelling for help. This was the night of or the morning after the shooting. At that time, he would NOT have known that there were 911 recordings of the screams because he had not even left police headquarters yet.

Thank you Wolf, very good point there. Nice catch!

 

[Karmady]

I agree. Plus gz knew that people were around and could have seen what had happened. There was NO dispute early on in the first days after the event.

Not only that they could have seen, but that at least one person actually did see since the witness spoke to them.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

It is possible tm hit gz in the face with his head.

Plus the hit to his face didn't break his nose! I think he fell and it stunned him. If the impact of the hit to his face wasn't that significant (as state claims), then maybe this can account for no significant wounds to his hands. Also just bc he hit Zimmerman in the nose it doesn't mean his nose bled! Especially with no deviation of the septum. Imo

 

[corundogs]

Have you all seen the photos of GZ the day after? There are 2 little pin pricks on his nose. I don't know how that type of injury happens, but that's not what I imagine when I hear someone has been punched in the nose. Here are the pictures (I don't know how to post actual photos...hopefully someone else can!)

http://thatmarriedguy.com/george-zimmerman-trial/

Also, according to GZ's reenactment...he was repeatedly slamming his head on the ground. Wouldn't there be much more damage if true?

He said TM covered his mouth and nose with his hands...and since according to GZ this would be after he was punched...so even if blood was not pouring out from gravity, there would have been something from his face given how these injuries look now.

There is a train of thought (not sure how I feel about them myself) that GZ caused his own injuries to cover this whole thing up. Again, don't ask me to explain further cause I have no reference in my own head about this.

 

[kaRN]

Not necessarily. Noses don't always bleed immediately especially if the person is laying on his back, When he sits up it will bleed.

I have things that bother me here.

If TM belonged there why didn't he just say that. " I live here man.. "

I have questions about his behavior.

Me too SS!! I don't know what to say about the behavior of TM. I watch the kids on my street of the same age and can only say, there's a reason they aren't legally responsible yet. On the same note though, I wonder why the neighborhood watch guy didn't know what street he was on or who lived in the neighborhood or why GZ didn't yell out 'hey kid, do you live here?'

My inner Mama of sons who wear hoodies because all urban kids wear hoodies is having a hard time with this case. Thanks for helping me think out of my box SS!

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Everyone needs to be in juror mode. Just deal with the facts as they are presented. Absolutely no conclusion should be shared until this trial ends. imo

While I am reserving my final decision until the end of the trial, I do have opinions on things along the way. I think we all do.