George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin General discussion

[4Jacy]

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[JudyBolton]

George had a non working flashlight with him that night.

From what I heard - the small keychain had a tiny light attached that was found (turned on) somewhere on the ground at the scene. There was speculation that this showed that GZ had his keys in his hand (returning to car) at the time the attack occurred. Or possibly he was using the little light to read an address to give to dispatcher?

 

[Apollo]

There are conflicting answers to that question and they come from George himself. At one point he said he was walking his "patrol" then later on claimed he was on his way to Target.

Thank you! No wonder it's not clear. I wonder if the homeowner's association keeps a schedule of when he was to be on duty.

 

[TorisMom003]

Just wanted to clear up something that I noticed. George did not state to the non emergency dispatcher that Trayvon was circling him. That statement came during the recorded walk through with LE the day after the shooting.

 

[polleypockets]

Are you sure he was on duty that night? My understanding was that he was on his way to Target, was not on duty, and just happened to come across TM. Someone please correct me if I'm mistaken.

i meant to use quotes - as in duty on the loosest terms since he considered himself always on duty and was constanly calling the police

 

[Darkman00]

What time are we closing the bar?

 

[Darkman00]

A question:

Are smilies OFF here on purpose .. or did i touch something in my settings, lol?

 

[polleypockets]

From what I heard - the small keychain had a tiny light attached that was found (turned on) somewhere on the ground at the scene. There was speculation that this showed that GZ had his keys in his hand (returning to car) at the time the attack occurred. Or possibly he was using the little light to read an address to give to dispatcher?

it was GZ honda key at it was only a couple feet away, very could have easilly landed there in the struggle -

 

[Zuri]

Like I said, I am not up to speed on this case. I have some questions.
Did GZ ever state stop or I will shoot?
Earlier, I read posts that GZ was trained in MMA I think or wrestled. Could TM have been stopped in another way by GZ and did GZ have a duty to do that first?
Was GZ charged due to public pressure or was he in violation of the law?
Why did GZ lie to police or change his story or whatever he allegedly did?
Does the "Stand your ground law" cover this tragic shooting?
TIA for your help!

 

[Tricia]

A question:

Are smilies OFF here on purpose .. or did i touch something in my settings, lol?

Not on purpose. I will look into it. More than likely my fault.

And the bar will close in a bit when I head to bed

 

[AngelWings444]

I found it very interesting that the defense attorney tried to point out that Zimmerman is ONLY right handed when he writes and does everything else with his left hand. He said this in opening. However, when you look at the video of Zimmerman, he clearly uses his right hand to do the shooting of a gun motion.

It would be interesting, if the state can prove that Zimmerman is right handed all the time.

JMO

ETA: I may have this backwards.

 

[polleypockets]

Like I said, I am not up to speed on this case. I have some questions.
Did GZ ever state stop or I will shoot?
Earlier, I read posts that GZ was trained in MMA I think or wrestled. Could TM have been stopped in another way by GZ and did GZ have a duty to do that first?
Was GZ charged due to public pressure or was he in violation of the law?
Why did GZ lie to police or change his story or whatever he allegedly did?
Does the "Stand your ground law" cover this tragic shooting?
TIA for your help!

1. GZ never said stop or i'll shoot and never even announced he was there for neighborhood patrol - never announced why he was chasing them

2. GZ is trained n MMA and yes i believe - especially if you look at the pics back then, cuz he has gained over 100 pds being on bail - so imo he could ave stopped TM, the arguement is that he didn't because he was afraid TM had a gun - which imo shows he never should have chased him

3. GZ was originally charged w/ manslaughter and it was up tp M2, depending on what you read it was increased either because of publc pressure - or because he was caught in so many lies

4. why did he lie?? thats what needs to be found out in court - depending on where you read he lied because he knew he did something wrong, or he lied because he wants to make sure he is innocent n the stand your ground law, or because he has been under to much stress from public attacks

5. we will find out if stand your ground does defend this - imo from everything i have read, i don't believe so

 

[Darkman00]

Not on purpose. I will look into it. More than likely my fault.

And the bar will close in a bit when I head to bed

Yes .. Re: smilies ... -- more likely then ..

cuz I am currently also in Bashara thread .. and smilies are ON there.

 

[AngelWings444]

Like I said, I am not up to speed on this case. I have some questions.
Did GZ ever state stop or I will shoot? No!
Earlier, I read posts that GZ was trained in MMA I think or wrestled. Yes, he was. Could TM have been stopped in another way by GZ and did GZ have a duty to do that first? GZ had no duty to do anything, he wasn't even on "watch" that night.
Was GZ charged due to public pressure or was he in violation of the law? Violation of the law. We'll see if he gets convicted
Why did GZ lie to police or change his story or whatever he allegedly did? People who hide things are usually lying. I would go with lying to cover up what he did. Consciousness of guilt
Does the "Stand your ground law" cover this tragic shooting? No. Stand your Ground is off the table.
TIA for your help!

My answers in red and JMO.

 

[rossva]

BBM Respectfully, you have absolutely no evidence that TM was not doing the things GZ described so menacingly.

In my opinion: COVER. He was basically reciting a list detailing an escalating threat that would lead to a justified shooting right there in the street. But two things conspired to ruin this: the first is that we know TM was not doing the things GZ described so menacingly, and the second was that TM ran.

Which, in my opinion, is what really inspired GZs anger. Here he had gone to all this trouble to set up a free killing, and the guy ran away leaving him with nothing. It's not like he could call back a week later with the same story. It was either kill TM or kill no one.

In my opinion of course.

 

[polleypockets]

I found it very interesting that the defense attorney tried to point out that Zimmerman is ONLY right handed when he writes and does everything else with his left hand. He said this in opening. However, when you look at the video of Zimmerman, he clearly uses his right hand to do the shooting of a gun motion.

It would be interesting, if the state can prove that Zimmerman is right handed all the time.

JMO

i was trying to remember, i thought it was the other way around, writes w/ the left and shoots w/ the right - and the first the i thought of was all those articles linking mental problems and ambidextrous from the jodi trial :smile:

 

[polleypockets]

BBM Respectfully, you have absolutely no evidence that TM was not doing the things GZ described so menacingly.

exactly, but imo if that was true, then thats a greater reason why GZ should never have chased after him in the first place, thats why the neighborhood watch rules and the dispatcher both said not to chase after

 

[PrincessSezMe]

I found it very interesting that the defense attorney tried to point out that Zimmerman is ONLY right handed when he writes and does everything else with his left hand. He said this in opening. However, when you look at the video of Zimmerman, he clearly uses his right hand to do the shooting of a gun motion.

It would be interesting, if the state can prove that Zimmerman is right handed all the time.

JMO

IIRC it was that he wrote with his left hand, but did everything else with his right. At least that's what I thought I heard. I could be mistaken though......

 

[daisymae]

yes he has a lesser charge of manslaughter

If charged and found guilty of manslaughter, what kind of sentencing might we expect in FL?

:seeya:

 

[Words2Serve]

I am definitely still trying to process this case, and need to hear more evidence and testimony.

I do feel it is possible GZ instigated the reaction of TM to confront him. I know if my husband felt someone was following him around, he would say what the hell are you following me for, and if the guy got closer he would punch him out of concern for his own safety, not knowing anything about this person watching him.

Not to say that my husband had the right reaction, but I also know that if the guy pulled out a gun and shot my husband, I would be upset, and wonder what 'warranted' the use of a firearm. There needs to be some accountability when you choose to shoot a gun, and self-defense needs to be very clear that there was no other way to handle the situation.

I am still determining for myself if this 'fight/scuffle' warranted shooting TM. GZ also had the advantage of knowing the police were on their way. I need to hear more testimony; he may have truly believed he was in deadly danger...we'll see.

I feel that GZ was on 'high alert' because of the recent break-ins, and that may have caused him to assume TM was most likely 'one of them'; maybe understandably, but it seems his judgement may have been skewed by recent events, which possibly caused GZ to see TM actions as more 'suspicious' than he might have under 'normal' circumstances.

I wish GZ would have just gone to target/stayed in the car, and I wish TM would have just gone straight back to the apartment!! uuuuugghhhh; so sad when cases like this should not have to occur

Just my thoughts