France German serial killer, Martin Ney, Extradited to France in 2021, for boy murdered in 2004

[SuperdadV8]

So....just watched the partially heartbreaking TVNow documentary. Although it contains some already known informations, some new, not so well known facts are included.

The clue for the prosecutors to got into focus of MN was one single picture he made of one of his victims, that had been found in 2007 in the case, when MN tried to blackmail another paedo. So he seems to have kept his trophies, what could be cruicial for actual investigations after examining his harddrives in 2017 IMO.

MN had a difficult childhood. His father was an agressive alcoholic, his mother had been very strict and her focus was in having a well-behaved boy.

At last one of his victims of abuse, who helped to recognize MN as the serial killer had the possibility in the past, to talk to MN, because he had some questions, to handle with the things that happened to him in the past. MN told him frank , that if the sister of the victim hadn't disturbed him whilst abusing the boy in his own home, that everything could have happened and they maybe wouldn't have that conversation right now.

Profiler Alexander Horn believes, that there could have been many more crimes and MN told by himself, that he was active not just in the known three-year-periods. MN even stated, that he suffocated/strangled some of his victims whilst playing with them, what the profiler does not believe. He also rented the holiday home in Denmark for a second time, after killing one of his victims there. They also believe, that he abused they boy over the three days, what MN still denies until today.

30.000 thumnails of child at his hardrives had been found in the blackmailing-case. At least from 2006 and on, he frequented paedo-sites on the net a lot to live out his fantasies.

Norbert Nedopil, appraiser at his trial believes that MN really liked kids, although he abused and killed them. Together with Horn, they said that MN is a very calculating person. He planned everything he did, without confessing to that until now.

Some new footage of MN was shown, pics and video and a short link to little Jonathan has been made. The show has been interesting at all, but nothing that new at last, that could raise a discussion.

Nothing more to say about it.

 

[snowpea666]

So....just watched the partially heartbreaking TVNow documentary. Although it contains some already known informations, some new, not so well known facts are included.

The clue for the prosecutors to got into focus of MN was one single picture he made of one of his victims, that had been found in 2007 in the case, when MN tried to blackmail another paedo. So he seems to have kept his trophies, what could be cruicial for actual investigations after examining his harddrives in 2017 IMO.

MN had a difficult childhood. His father was an agressive alcoholic, his mother had been very strict and her focus was in having a well-behaved boy.

At last one of his victims of abuse, who helped to recognize MN as the serial killer had the possibility in the past, to talk to MN, because he had some questions, to handle with the things that happened to him in the past. MN told him frank , that if the sister of the victim hadn't disturbed him whilst abusing the boy in his own home, that everything could have happened and they maybe wouldn't have that conversation right now.

Profiler Alexander Horn believes, that there could have been many more crimes and MN told by himself, that he was active not just in the known three-year-periods. MN even stated, that he suffocated/strangled some of his victims whilst playing with them, what the profiler does not believe. He also rented the holiday home in Denmark for a second time, after killing one of his victims there. They also believe, that he abused they boy over the three days, what MN still denies until today.

30.000 thumnails of child at his hardrives had been found in the blackmailing-case. At least from 2006 and on, he frequented paedo-sites on the net a lot to live out his fantasies.

Norbert Nedopil, appraiser at his trial believes that MN really liked kids, although he abused and killed them. Together with Horn, they said that MN is a very calculating person. He planned everything he did, without confessing to that until now.

Some new footage of MN was shown, pics and video and a short link to little Jonathan has been made. The show has been interesting at all, but nothing that new at last, that could raise a discussion.

Nothing more to say about it.

Thanks for that, I was wondering if he could also be involved in a couple of the child murders in the Algarve ? the little boy that went from a beach and the other boy ?

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

For me it's impossible to think about RH without thinking as well on MN.

While for the kid sake i would wish that he did drown instead of getting killed by a serial killer on the specific RH case i do have a very bad feeling. It's not just that no body was ever found as this can happen even on acidental drowning it's just that the circunstances on this particular case are typical and ideal for kidnap. You have a public place with many strangers and only child + mother/stepfather. It's very easy to "blend in" on a crowd of strangers, for all the other strangers on the place a kidnapper + a "strange" child would be just as a parent with it's own child and wouldn't rise suspicion. It's the oposite of having a huge group of known people with only a stranger attempting the anduction. And this "match" the method that MN did use on other crimes.

I did never work on cases of missing boys and and can't judge this but by looking for the other boys that MN did kill i think that most likely he could "have interest" in attacking RH as well. I might be totaly wrong and again I wish it was realy an accidental drowning but if someone were to tell me that RH didn't die by accident the first "suspect" that i would think of it would be MN.

Then you have BKA calling RH parents saying that CB was a suspect on RH case as well. We know that CB aparently "liked" boys as well because aparently he would give presents to boys on his kioske, etc as posted on the MM thread so i wouldn't discard a possible lead here as well.

I don't want to sound rude but i do think that it's important to detremine where exactly were MN and also CB at the exact time when RH did went missing because on this particular case i would say that there is a good chance for a crime to had happened.

 

[SuperdadV8]

For me it's impossible to think about RH without thinking as well on MN.

While for the kid sake i would wish that he did drown instead of getting killed by a serial killer on the specific RH case i do have a very bad feeling. It's not just that no body was ever found as this can happen even on acidental drowning it's just that the circunstances on this particular case are typical and ideal for kidnap. You have a public place with many strangers and only child + mother/stepfather. It's very easy to "blend in" on a crowd of strangers, for all the other strangers on the place a kidnapper + a "strange" child would be just as a parent with it's own child and wouldn't rise suspicion. It's the oposite of having a huge group of known people with only a stranger attempting the anduction. And this "match" the method that MN did use on other crimes.

I did never work on cases of missing boys and and can't judge this but by looking for the other boys that MN did kill i think that most likely he could "have interest" in attacking RH as well. I might be totaly wrong and again I wish it was realy an accidental drowning but if someone were to tell me that RH didn't die by accident the first "suspect" that i would think of it would be MN.

Then you have BKA calling RH parents saying that CB was a suspect on RH case as well. We know that CB aparently "liked" boys as well because aparently he would give presents to boys on his kioske, etc as posted on the MM thread so i wouldn't discard a possible lead here as well.

I don't want to sound rude but i do think that it's important to detremine where exactly were MN and also CB at the exact time when RH did went missing because on this particular case i would say that there is a good chance for a crime to had happened.

Wanna talk about possible other victims in europe or south america or what?

Or about connections, that could have been developed decades after the crime?

Otherwise there is no need to link RH to JC, unless you can enlighten us!

 

[SuperdadV8]

Meurtre de Jonathan Coulom en Loire-Atlantique : qui a vu le suspect, Martin Ney ? | Le Courrier du Pays de Retz

French police made a public appeal for sightings of MN, or giving him shelter between 1990 and 2011! That doesn't look like they are just investigating the JC case in that matter anymore....

 

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Meurtre de Jonathan Coulom en Loire-Atlantique : qui a vu le suspect, Martin Ney ? | Le Courrier du Pays de Retz

French police made a public appeal for sightings of MN, or giving him shelter between 1990 and 2011! That doesn't look like they are just investigating the JC case in that matter anymore....

PT/German police should have done/do the same. I would want for LEA to check where MN was when RH went missing, for example.

 

[Lilly b]

Anyone know which country MN was interviewed in in 2007 about MM? As witnesses said then, they saw him in PDL,
As we know he's told some lies, as in, he said he wasn't in Portugal at the time. However the Fotofit, and witnesses say different
Also said he didn't murder JC, however we now know he's confessed to this, and is charged with the murder

 

[snowpea666]

Anyone know which country MN was interviewed in in 2007 about MM? As witnesses said then, they saw him in PDL,
As we know he's told some lies, as in, he said he wasn't in Portugal at the time. However the Fotofit, and witnesses say different
Also said he didn't murder JC, however we now know he's confessed to this, and is charged with the murder

Im sure I read it was PJ that interviewed him cant bloody find it now grrrrrr

 

[Lilly b]

Im sure I read it was PJ that interviewed him cant bloody find it now grrrrrr

Think your correct

‘New suspect’ in Maddie case is German child-killer questioned over little boy who went missing from Aljezur in 1996 - Portugal Resident

 

[SuperdadV8]

Think your correct

‘New suspect’ in Maddie case is German child-killer questioned over little boy who went missing from Aljezur in 1996 - Portugal Resident

Just imagine, while being asked about MM, MN told prosecuters something about CB....?!

 

[Lilly b]

Just imagine, while being asked about MM, MN told prosecuters something about CB....?!

Saying that, but MN was questioned in Portugal in 2008, so not sure whether CB would of been mentioned at that time by mn
but the PJ didn't really do a good job, did they, presuming he was just into boys, how wrong they were just to dismiss, and also in that link mentions another German paedo, that murdered a school girl in 2015??

 

[SuperdadV8]

Saying that, but MN was questioned in Portugal in 2008, so not sure whether CB would of been mentioned at that time by mn
but the PJ didn't really do a good job, did they, presuming he was just into boys, how wrong they were just to dismiss, and also in that link mentions another German paedo, that murdered a school girl in 2015??

Well, if you ask me, questioning somebody in 2008 while there hasn't been proved any crime against the interrogated person and back again in 2019, while even THAT person has been imprisoned for peado-killings over 20 years, COULD lead to different results IMO.

It is usual to link almost every crime to one single person, that could fit the description in any possible way. But that doesn't fit the reality. Once sentenced, it's easy to assume, that the perp must have done this and that either. Of course that's sometimes possible, but the amount of that crimes can't be linked to one single person in general. It's just comfortable to make the assumption, but often modus operandi are similar, even in the paedo-crime-world!

MN has been imprisoned for life in 2011, some cases linked to him haven't been proven or solved yet.

Of course they have asked MN since 2011 about many other disappearances. It's up on him, to confess in every possible way, or even not....

If he want's to be out of prison before he dies, being coorporative is one single way to reach that aim. And that includes revealing possible knowledge about other cases, he maybe hasn't been involved, but has knowledge about.

IMO it has been proven as common knowledge, that peados are known to confess their horrible deeds over the web, as often as they can. Some confessions are based on twisted fantasies, some on reality.

It's just a theory, of course. But it's a fact, that whistleblowers usually get advantage of blowing that whistle sometimes.....

Maybe their extradition in other cases could be counterproductive to some famous investigations...?!

I would like to assume, that HCW knows about the french investigations and plans very well.

JMO and maybe nothing more than wishful thinking....!

 

[SuperdadV8]

Well, if you ask me, questioning somebody in 2008 while there hasn't been proved any crime against the interrogated person and back again in 2019, while even THAT person has been imprisoned for peado-killings over 20 years, COULD lead to different results IMO.

It is usual to link almost every crime to one single person, that could fit the description in any possible way. But that doesn't fit the reality. Once sentenced, it's easy to assume, that the perp must have done this and that either. Of course that's sometimes possible, but the amount of that crimes can't be linked to one single person in general. It's just comfortable to make the assumption, but often modus operandi are similar, even in the paedo-crime-world!

MN has been imprisoned for life in 2011, some cases linked to him haven't been proven or solved yet.

Of course they have asked MN since 2011 about many other disappearances. It's up on him, to confess in every possible way, or even not....

If he want's to be out of prison before he dies, being coorporative is one single way to reach that aim. And that includes revealing possible knowledge about other cases, he maybe hasn't been involved, but has knowledge about.

IMO it has been proven as common knowledge, that peados are known to confess their horrible deeds over the web, as often as they can. Some confessions are based on twisted fantasies, some on reality.

It's just a theory, of course. But it's a fact, that whistleblowers usually get advantage of blowing that whistle sometimes.....

Maybe their extradition in other cases could be counterproductive to some famous investigations...?!

I would like to assume, that HCW knows about the french investigations and plans very well.

JMO and maybe nothing more than wishful thinking....!

I would even go that far, that the MN ./. JC - Situation is VERY comprehensible to the CB ./. MM - situation.

IMO too similar, to be just coincidental!

 

[SuperdadV8]

Meurtre du petit Jonathan : "Je veux avoir le coupable en face de moi, qu'on en finisse !"


"...Martin Ney's weak point? Narcissism, the "glory" of not being caught. And if the French investigators went on the German track, in 2018, it is because the man had boasted, to his fellow inmate, of "his successes" in France, but also in the Netherlands and in Belgium. His initial arrest says a lot about his cynicism..."

There should be a lot more to find about his vile past! He travelled a lot more countries afaik....

 

[SuperdadV8]

Well, well, well...

the next german imprisoned paedo writing letters to big german tabloid SPIEGEL, claiming innocence after possibly boasting around of his crimes.

So many "coincidences"....

Frankreich: Hat „Maskenmann“ Martin Ney einen weiteren Jungen getötet?

 

[snowpea666]

Well, well, well...

the next german imprisoned paedo writing letters to big german tabloid SPIEGEL, claiming innocence after possibly boasting around of his crimes.

So many "coincidences"....

Frankreich: Hat „Maskenmann“ Martin Ney einen weiteren Jungen getötet?

Ffs!! Unreal, this is melting my head a bit, Im just trying to link everything together, right... So we have latest (but not new) news about the Russian brothers who were in the boat trade, then we have NF who worked at casino where lots of Russian yaught people frequented, we have NF sis in law who owns a yaughting buisness and had dealings with Russians, we have SM who is Russian and has prob early knowledge of dark web etc and was a bit of a perv anyway !! He worked for a time with a yaughting hire company, he also had a friend called Chris who had a Brit GF, and vile stuff had been found on SM comps, then comes RM who as we know had contact with SM on the night MM went missing, police found
Child on the computer of RM ? .......

Detectives also discovered links to depraved websites featuring other sickening images. Next we have RM gf who is German, lied about where she was that night, said she was at a church meeting, RM said he had dinner with her that night ?? her husband had a swimming pool maintenance buissnes, CB also worked for a swimming pool maintenance buissnes, She at one point had a shop selling German food, I wonder if CB went to the shop and said he was looking for work ?? did her husband give him a job? No idea where MN comes in but im sure he does, he was in Portugal at the time MM went. Ahhhhhh so near but yet so far !

 

[tedtink]

Looks like MN is going back to Germany.

https://www.ouest-france.fr/pays-de...llemagne-ae7255de-146c-11ec-b2d1-d57c7be57e12

 

[tedtink]

Martin Ney denies. Fiercely. "I am not guilty and I hope not to be judged for something that I did not commit"

Assassinat du petit Jonathan : révélations sur les auditions du tueur en série allemand


The departure of Martin Ney does not end the training. Far from it. The investigations will indeed continue.............

 

[SuperdadV8]

It's usual to the laws about european arrest warrants to hand out suspects for a limited period of time. I researched this in the past.

I'm curious if after his return to germany intestigations in other cases will move on quickly. That would be very interesting...

 

[misty48]

Interesting quote from back in 2012..
Child killer vows: I didn’t take Madeleine McCann

Kai Thomas Breas, spokesman for the German prosecutors, told the Sunday Express: “He has said he hasn’t killed in Portugal."