Germany - 7 dead, shooting at Jehovah's Witnesses hall, - Hamburg, 9 March 2023

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As yet, "there is no reliable information on the motive", police say.

A number of people were also injured in the shooting on Deelböge street in the city's Gross Borstel district.

Police spokesman Holger Vehren said investigators had "indications that a perpetrator may have been in the building and may be even among the dead", the Associated Press news agency reports.

Police did not have to use their firearms during the incident, he said.
 
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“Horrific” indeed. I can’t begin to imagine the trauma for the survivors.


The Jehovah's Witnesses community in Germany on Friday expressed deep sadness over a "horrific" deadly shooting in Hamburg that it said targeted its members as police searched for a motive.

"The religious community is deeply saddened by the horrific attack on its members at the Kingdom Hall in Hamburg after a religious service," the Jehovah's Witnesses in Germany association said in a statement. "Several people lost their lives and others were seriously injured" in Thursday's incident, it added.


About 1,500 Jehovah’s Witnesses died during the Holocaust out of about 35,000 who lived in Germany and Nazi-occupied countries at the time. More than 1,000 died in prisons and concentration camps. Members of the faith were persecuted by the Nazi regime because they remained politically neutral. They also refused to sign a document renouncing their beliefs and disobeyed the regime’s orders by continuing to meet for worship, doing public ministry and showing kindness to Jewish people.
 
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The killer is 35-year-old Philipp F who shot dead seven before being found dead

''Officials said the gunman was a 35-year-old German national identified only as Philipp F., in line with German privacy rules. He fired more than 100 rounds during the attack.

Hamburg police chief Ralf Martin Meyer said the man had a weapons license and legally owned a semi-automatic pistol. He said the suspected shooter was previously investigated after authorities received a tip that he might not be suitable to bear firearms, but was found not to have broken rules''.
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A tipoff was received two months ago by the authorities in Hamburg about the gunman who went on to kill seven people including an unborn baby in a Jehovah’s Witness hall, but he had persuaded officials not to take away his gun.

An anonymous letter was received by the weapons control authority in January raising concerns about a man named by German police as Philipp F, 35, saying that he appeared angry with his former fellow church members, but officers had found no reason for concern when they visited him last month.
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Questions are being raised as to why he was not stopped. The suspect had a gun permit as a marksman since December 2022 and was in legal possession of a Heckler & Koch P30. But in January an anonymous letter was received suggesting he might be suffering from an undiagnosed psychological illness and that he had indicated a “particular anger against religious members or against the Jehovah’s Witnesses and his former employer”.

During a subsequent unannounced visit on 7 February at his apartment in the Altona district of western Hamburg, Fusz was said to be cooperative and convinced officers that there was no cause for concern. He was merely given a verbal warning for not keeping his weapon in his safe.

The police chief Ralf Martin Meyer told a press conference that the suspect did not have a criminal record and there had been no legal grounds to take away the man’s weapon
 
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Looking through the murderer’s website, he seemed to have egotistical delusions about his abilities.


As are so many who commit mass murder, I expect he was a “wound (or grievance) collector.”


He took vengeance on innocent people. Some of them may have once been friends. :-(
 
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Looking through the murderer’s website, he seemed to have egotistical delusions about his abilities.


As are so many who commit mass murder, I expect he was a “wound (or grievance) collector.”


He took vengeance on innocent people. Some of them may have once been friends. :-(

The first thing I thought about Philipp F is he is likely an injustice collector, wound collector, or grievance collector.
 
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The first thing I thought about Philipp F is he is likely an injustice collector, wound collector, or grievance collector.

Yes, I thought of tagging you. I’ve heard it said that holding onto resentment toward someone is “like drinking poison and hoping the other person dies.” An injustice collector too often goes beyond hope and actually kills them, and often himself in the process. It’s such a tragic way of thinking.
 
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FILE - Flowers sit near the site of a deadly shooting at a Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses in Hamburg, Germany, March 11, 2023. Members held a memorial service Saturday for the six people killed in the shooting.

FILE - Flowers sit near the site of a deadly shooting at a Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses in Hamburg, Germany, March 11, 2023. Members held a memorial service Saturday for the six people.

Members of the Jehovah’s Witnesses in Germany held a memorial service Saturday for the six people killed during a mass shooting at a religious service in Hamburg this month.

A 35-year-old German man who opened fire during the March 9 service killed himself as police arrived at a Jehovah's Witnesses hall where the service was taking place. The attack wounded nine people, including a pregnant woman who lost her unborn child.

“We are speechless in the face of the violence and brutality. There’s no word for this,” Dirk Ciupek, a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses, said in his sermon. “This was an attack not just on a few of us, but an attack on all of us.”

Ciupek expressed gratitude to the police officers who he said prevented more deaths and to the medical personnel who tended to the wounded with dedication and empathy.

“Do not let evil defeat you,” he said, addressing the family members of those who died. He spoke about each victim individually, including the unborn baby.

“We miss them, their love, their smiles, everything,” Ciupek said.
 

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