Germany Germany - Rebecca Reusch, 15, Berlin, 18 Feb 2019 *Arrest*

[Elainera]

The question that nags me today is, when was Rebecca last seen or spoken to by people other than sis and BIL?

In one article her friends said she was not as communicative as usual on Sunday, so that made me wonder ...

I'm sure LE is looking into this as well.

 

[margarita25]

Who knows German?
This comes out weird in Google translate:

(Still catching up, not sure if answered yet:
@cybervampira)

 

[Jim_M]

The question that nags me today is, when was Rebecca last seen or spoken to by people other than sis and BIL?

In one article her friends said she was not as communicative as usual on Sunday, so that made me wonder ...

I'm sure LE is looking into this as well.

I sure hope you are right! That is crucial imo to tightening up this crazy timeline.

 

[otto]

The question that nags me today is, when was Rebecca last seen or spoken to by people other than sis and BIL?

In one article her friends said she was not as communicative as usual on Sunday, so that made me wonder ...

I'm sure LE is looking into this as well.

She was reportedly at her sister's house on Sunday - police can check that using the WLAN router logs. I haven't read anything in the news (Deutsch) about the sister being involved or something happening before the morning of the disappearance. Sister took her child(ren) to daycare at 7AM, everything seemed normal.

She must have been last seen by her sister and her children. Her brother in law was at an office party - which presumably started after work, or was it an evening event? In any case, it was most likely her sister who saw her last in the evening. In the morning, the sister didn't notice whether she was on the sofa, and the brother in law is confused about the timeline.

 

[Darling136]

(Still catching up, not sure if answered yet:
@cybervampira)

To which content are you reffering? The one quoted unfortunatelly does not contain the link or content not understood.

 

[Elainera]

To which content are you reffering? The one quoted unfortunatelly does not contain the link or content not understood.

This was cleared and translated 10 days ago, on page 1 or 2. It's not really relevant anymore.

 

[otto]

Translation

"March 2, 6.30AM Update: Every trace of 15-year-old Rebecca Reusch, from Berlin, is still missing. Police have therefore assumed the worst: "since there are still no signs of life from the missing, it is now assumed that Rebecca was the victim of a homicidal offense." Police fear the worst.

Meanwhile, a profiler has explained that the biggest problem with Rebecca's case is that the potential crime scene is still unknown. "Assuming that Rebecca is no longer alive, then, of course, the solution to the case lies first of all in securing evidence at the place where it was most recently definitive that she was alive," explains Axel Petermann of the picture. "And if, in fact, she is no longer alive, then the assessment of the circumstances of her death is crucial."

According to the expert, the police have so far acted unusually: "The search came late - the day after the arrest, the provisional arrest came late, hours before you want to substantiate the urgent suspicion before the magistrate. This is unusual and surprising," says the expert.​

Rebecca missing from Berlin: brother-in-law was detained already days ago
10:15 pm: The fate of 15-year-old Rebecca is still unclear. The missing girl's brother-in-law was released after about one day at the police station. Like the picture in its Saturday issue, the 27-year-old already provided a statement last Monday to reporters. According to the brother-in-law of the missing Rebecca, he said: "I have nothing to do with the disappearance!"

Rebecca's mother protected her son-in-law. Speaking to Focus Online, Brigitte Reusch said Friday morning, "I do not think my son-in-law has anything to do with it."

17:41: The Attorney General Berlin announced that the suspect(s) detained since Thursday is/are again at large. Accordingly, the brother-in-law of the missing Rebecca appeared before an investigating judge on Friday. "This could not determine the urgent suspicion and ordered the release," said the police on their official Twitter page."​

Berlin: Rebecca Reusch (15) vermisst: Polizei hat düsteren Verdacht – Experte bezeichnet Ermittlungen als „unüblich“ | Welt

This means that they did not have enough evidence to establish probable cause.

 

[Darling136]

This was cleared and translated 10 days ago, on page 1 or 2. It's not really relevant anymore.

This is what i thought too, thanks!

 

[otto]

Was a search "unusually" delayed because police believed that she was "being bullied" at school, had "deleted" many of her Instagram photos and might be depressed? Then it turned out that a sister had deleted many Instagram photos on Sunday (??).

Whose photos did she delete? Which sister?

 

[otto]

I think there is still a possibility that she was taken from the house against her will and no one noticed.

If it happened between the sister leaving for work at 7AM and the mother's wake-up reminder at 8:30AM, then of course the brother-in-law is a suspect. He was still at home, but he may have been 3 sheets to the wind. That can work in two ways - three sheets to the wind and in the mood to attack his 15 year old niece, or 3 sheets to the wind and more or less out cold as he falls into bed. He wakes up to the texts about sending his niece off to school, notes that she has already left, and goes back to bed. Possible?

 

[Elainera]

Was a search "unusually" delayed because police believed that she was "being bullied" at school, had "deleted" many of her Instagram photos and might be depressed? Then it turned out that a sister had deleted many Instagram photos on Sunday (??).

Whose photos did she delete? Which sister?

Yea they assumed at first that she would turn up on her own. Investigations started only 4 days after she went missing. I read somewhere that they could not search the apartment earlier because there was nothing to indicate a crime had occurred, hence no search warrant. I think they did take a cursory look around and checked the Wlan in the house but no forensic search. What's more, dogs followed her scent along the street so it seemed she had indeed left the apartment. They have now somewhat backtracked on that but still don't seem to have any proof she was killed or kidnapped, only assumptions based on the fact that she still hasn't been found. It seems suspicion against the BIL was finally enough to hold him and secure a search warrant, which apparently yielded no or little clues however and they had to let him go. I'm very surprised that they haven't even found anything in the car. Cadaver dogs didn't alert?

I don't know which sister deleted the photos on IG, I think it was the middle one.

 

[Elainera]

I think there is still a possibility that she was taken from the house against her will and no one noticed.

If it happened between the sister leaving for work at 7AM and the mother's wake-up reminder at 8:30AM, then of course the brother-in-law is a suspect. He was still at home, but he may have been 3 sheets to the wind. That can work in two ways - three sheets to the wind and in the mood to attack his 15 year old niece, or 3 sheets to the wind and more or less out cold as he falls into bed. He wakes up to the texts about sending his niece off to school, notes that she has already left, and goes back to bed. Possible?

Possible but there were no (reported) signs of forced entry or a struggle. More likely (in your scenario) that she left the house alone and willingly and something happened elsewhere. imo

 

[margarita25]

To which content are you reffering? The one quoted unfortunatelly does not contain the link or content not understood.

(I was replying to a post which asked if anyone spoke German; reading further I see now that @cybervampira is already in this thread )

 

[Darling136]

(I was replying to a post which asked if anyone spoke German; reading further I see now that @cybervampira is already in this thread )

There are several members on this thread supporting with German ☺

 

[margarita25]

This is what i thought too, thanks!

(Sorry I think my post may have been confusing lol, I wasn’t referring to that article being translated specifically, but rather summoning a German member, whom I see now has already made it to the thread. Sorry for any confusion.)

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ETA:

There are several members on this thread supporting with German ☺

(I see that now after reading further. Next time I’ll try to read the whole thread before replying to a question. )

 

[otto]

Yea they assumed at first that she would turn up on her own. Investigations started only 4 days after she went missing. I read somewhere that they could not search the apartment earlier because there was nothing to indicate a crime had occurred, hence no search warrant. I think they did take a cursory look around and checked the Wlan in the house but no forensic search. What's more, dogs followed her scent along the street so it seemed she had indeed left the apartment. They have now somewhat backtracked on that but still don't seem to have any proof she was killed or kidnapped, only assumptions based on the fact that she still hasn't been found. It seems suspicion against the BIL was finally enough to hold him and secure a search warrant, which apparently yielded no or little clues however and they had to let him go. I'm very surprised that they haven't even found anything in the car. Cadaver dogs didn't alert?

I don't know which sister deleted the photos on IG, I think it was the middle one.

I'm curious why they would assume that she would turn up on her own, and delay a search when delaying a search is unusual? Why would they assume that no crime had occurred unless family gave some indication that she might be depressed and bullied?

When there was no evidence that she was alive, they deemed her disappearance a homicide. Dogs followed the route she commonly took to the bus stop. That ruled out nothing. WLAN helped narrow down the timeline that she was using her phone at the house. It seems that stopped at 8AM. At 8:30, her mother texted the brother in law to make sure that she was up for school. This is where it is first noticed that she is missing.

Normally the school phones home when a student is absent, but apparently that did not happen this time. Parents learned about the absence at the end of the school day. That is where the story first started, with the assumption that she left early for school - but that made no sense to her father.

There was very little time between the decision to involve the crime unit, the arrest and presenting a case for probable cause. If they find more evidence after searching the house he, and perhaps his wife, will be detained.

She was staying with her oldest sister, a married 27 year old nurse?

 

[otto]

Possible but there were no (reported) signs of forced entry or a struggle. More likely (in your scenario) that she left the house alone and willingly and something happened elsewhere. imo

I don't think she left willingly. I think something happened at the house, and the question is whether it was her brother-in-law or a stranger at the door. Someone could have knocked on the door shortly after her sister left the house - although that wouldn't explain the blanket.

The blanket almost seems like something to use when removing a body from the house.

 

[Elainera]

I'm curious why they would assume that she would turn up on her own, and delay a search when delaying a search is unusual? Why would they assume that no crime had occurred unless family gave some indication that she might be depressed and bullied?

When there was no evidence that she was alive, they deemed her disappearance a homicide. Dogs followed the route she commonly took to the bus stop. That ruled out nothing. WLAN helped narrow down the timeline that she was using her phone at the house. It seems that stopped at 8AM. At 8:30, her mother texted the brother in law to make sure that she was up for school. This is where it is first noticed that she is missing.

Normally the school phones home when a student is absent, but apparently that did not happen this time. Parents learned about the absence at the end of the school day. That is where the story first started, with the assumption that she left early for school - but that made no sense to her father.

There was very little time between the decision to involve the crime unit, the arrest and presenting a case for probable cause. If they find more evidence after searching the house he, and perhaps his wife, will be detained.

She was staying with her oldest sister, a married 27 year old nurse?

I have no answers to most of your questions

Just a few points. Re your first sentence, it is apparently standard procedure in Germany to wait three days in case of a missing person (who is not believed to be in imminent danger) before police springs into action because the vast majority turn up unharmed quickly. So that initial delay to search the house was not unusual. What the expert you quoted above was referring to was the week that followed the initial three days of waiting. Not to thoroughly search the house then, when suspicion that something happened to her grew, was unusual.

Re her mother texted the BIL at 8.30. A few pages back it was quoted that the sister (wife) texted or called BIL at 7.15 with the same request. This might be confused media reporting or maybe both, mother and sister texted/called? Idk.

Yes the sister she stayed with is her oldest sister and 27 y/o. I don't know if she is a nurse.

 

[Elainera]

Deleted - double post

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Was a search "unusually" delayed because police believed that she was "being bullied" at school, had "deleted" many of her Instagram photos and might be depressed? Then it turned out that a sister had deleted many Instagram photos on Sunday (??).

Whose photos did she delete? Which sister?

Yes, and what/who were the pictures of that were deleted? Why was the dad confused about this? Had he heard that pictures of Rebecca were deleted? Perhaps Rebecca asked her sister to remove certain pictures of her on Instagram, and that caused the confusion.