Germany - Truck crashes into Christmas market in Berlin, 9 dead, 19 Dec 2016

[Hatfield]

Ot

Mortifying. My baby is a coon hound. Reason for the name, is they chase raccoons up trees

.....snipped for focus.....

OT
Hello Cariis,

I have found that my doggies over the years can digest (or pass--LOL) a lot more than I ever expected. LOL

They are usually pretty good about handling eating things they are not supposed to.

The only things that really get me worried is if they digest something poison, or a pill i may have dropped, or a large sharp bone like a chicken bone or something, or a sharp hard foreign object. Those are the things I try my hardest not to ever let them get near or have.

Anything else like dirt, sticks, bugs, some other poo in yard, or some other foreign substance in yard or laying around, I tend to not get too excited about. LOL

 

[CARIIS]

I wanna be careful here. But its SKY news but it was done as a 15 second tease ?? but it was an explosion at Berlin airport - but the fact that they did not give it more than 15 secs , in light of what is going on is weird to me

But SKY is good strange

 

[CARIIS]

Not finding anything - but hung up on it being SKY ??? Help guys??

 

[Hatfield]

SUSPECT WAS CONVICTED IN ABSENTIA IN TUNISIA TO 5 YEARS FOR ROBBERY WITH VIOLENCE

MosaïqueFM.net
http://www.mosaiquefm.net/fr/actual...ne-en-tunisie-a-5-ans-de-prison-par-contumace

The suspect has a case history with justice. He is wanted by the police station of El Oueslatia and was sentenced in absentia to five years in prison for aggravated robbery with violence.

The same sources added that investigations are ongoing with the father of Anis Amri to determine whether he has links with Daesh or not.

BBM



So he was a refugee after all! *sarcastic mode off*

No wonder his own country was delaying wanting him back.

They probably knew right away about this guy as Germany tried to deport him and they delayed it as long as they could. Keep the problem out of their own country.

Probably not the same but this somehow reminds me of Cuba shipping off their prisoners to the US.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/c...-emptying-his-jails-into-florida-1386288.html

 

[CARIIS]

La Stampa
http://www.lastampa.it/2016/12/21/e...are-il-tir-iv2xYec27yJAQ5fb5J62UK/pagina.html

The young man arrived in Italy in February 2011 along with the other thousands of Tunisians who fled the country in the months following the outbreak of the Arab Spring. When he was identified, Anis Amri declared to be minor and therefore was transferred to a reception center for minors in Sicily.

After a few months spent in the center, according to intelligence sources, the Tunisian committed criminal acts and offenses. Meanwhile he had become of age, he was therefore arrested, tried and sentenced to four years. Was released from prison in the spring of 2015, buthe did not return free: against him a procedure of expulsion was started. Anis Amri was so transferred to an identification and expulsion center pending the approval by the Tunisian authorities, which is mandatory in order to be repatriated. The approval, however, never arrived and, after the legal deadline, the Tunisian was notified of a measure of removal from Italy.


BBM


It would help if someone decided that the approval of the receiving country is no longer necessary in such cases.....

These things in any country end up being so not ok. Most are on some radar. I think we can all get money problems.

I do not know - offer college kids (anywhere $15 an hour and let them stand sit whatever and just watch or follow who ever the more sophisticated folks have identified

Sounds dumb, but the real deal seems to be people that are on serious watch are not watched. 24/7 - there answers are it takes 24 people to do a 24/7 -- pay someone to just follow them

I so not know any longer.

 

[Hatfield]

I wanna be careful here. But its SKY news but it was done as a 15 second tease ?? but it was an explosion at Berlin airport - but the fact that they did not give it more than 15 secs , in light of what is going on is weird to me

But SKY is good strange

I think they must have been working on a followup and may have just been referencing this old news about this unrelated incident maybe.

Or they are getting things crossed up and pulled it because it was written wrong.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/german-police-arrested-syrian-bomb-plot-suspect-051544898.html

 

[Hatfield]

These things in any country end up being so not ok. Most are on some radar. I think we can all get money problems.

I do not know - offer college kids (anywhere $15 an hour and let them stand sit whatever and just watch or follow who ever the more sophisticated folks have identified

Sounds dumb, but the real deal seems to be people that are on serious watch are not watched. 24/7 - there answers are it takes 24 people to do a 24/7 -- pay someone to just follow them

I so not know any longer.

Re BBM
I was just thinking the same thing.

Most of the main incidents the perpetrators are already known to LE.

So they need to step up to the plate and do more to stop them. The rules have to be changed to allow LE to take whatever steps are necessary to protect their people.

If people are stepping out of line and LE knows about it then by golly do something about it and dont wait until they commit mass murder before you stop them.

 

[human]

Whats wrong with this picture?

"Separately, Amri’s asylum application was rejected in July. German authorities prepared to deport him but weren’t able to do so because he didn’t have valid identity papers, Jaeger said. In August they started trying to get him a replacement passport."

"German authorities had considered him a possible terror threat months before the attack, put him under covert surveillance for six months this year and tried to deport him after his asylum application was rejected this summer."

Something seriously wrong when a government wont deport someone who they identify as a violent threat just because the person does not have papers.

I'm sorry but this is totally ridiculous. There comes a point where a government has every right to deport someone who is identified as a violent threat. They need to just have some staff on the premises creating new papers right there at the deportation office.

This is unbelievable.

http://cnews.canoe.com/CNEWS/World/2016/12/21/22691804.html#1

How could they deport him? The other country would not take him.

 

[Inthedetails]

No wonder his own country was delaying wanting him back.

They probably knew right away about this guy as Germany tried to deport him and they delayed it as long as they could. Keep the problem out of their own country.

Probably not the same but this somehow reminds me of Cuba shipping off their prisoners to the US.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/c...-emptying-his-jails-into-florida-1386288.html

I thought of that too. The chaotic situation is an opportunity to dump criminals in other places and hope they get lost in the shuffle and become someone else's problem and expense to take care of.

jmo

 

[human]

Europe seems to have very lax laws re criminals compared to the US. The sentences seem really short even for murder.

The US has longer sentences but it seems like way more whacky crimes.

What is the reoffending rate in European countries?

 

[ZaZara]

ID CARDS LEFT BEHIND AS BUSINESS CARDS OF ASSASSINS


Welt.de
https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/live160453735/Warum-Attentaeter-Ausweise-zuruecklassen.html


The Tunisian Anis Amri, wanted for the attack in Berlin, was identified by an ID card. The document about his temporary staying permit as an asylum seeker lay in the footwell of the truck with which the assassin had run into the Christmas market on the Breitscheidplatz in Berlin on Monday evening.

It is not the first time that the ID documents of an alleged perpetrator have been discovered after an attack. According to experts, this may happen to leave a kind of visiting card.
The assassins who stormed the editorial board of the newspaper "Charlie Hebdo" in Paris in early 2015 also left an ID in their car. Likewise, one of the attackers of the Terror night of Paris on November 13th, 2015. The ID of Mohammed Lahouaiej Bouhlel, who drove into a crowd of people in Nice, similar to the assassin of Berlin, was also found in the truck.

All attackers in these cases were killed and could no longer be asked why they were leaving identification. "It could be that they want to leave a trace, and they want to reassert potential claims that one is responsible for the deed," says Otso Iho of the Jane's Information Group. "It has happened so often that probably a calculated reason lies behind it."


BBM

 

[MIKAYOYO]

Re BBM
I was just thinking the same thing.

Most of the main incidents the perpetrators are already known to LE.

So they need to step up to the plate and do more to stop them. The rules have to be changed to allow LE to take whatever steps are necessary to protect their people.

If people are stepping out of line and LE knows about it then by golly do something about it and dont wait until they commit mass murder before you stop them.

I totally agree. Unfortunately the butt hurt police prevent this. Moo

 

[kemo]

I don't understand why any country would tolerate any immigrant, refugee, asylum seeker, whatever, who has committed a serious crime. It sounds like this guy was really bad and even if his own country didn't want him back. It makes no sense to just let him carry on with his criminal activities as it appears German authorities did.

I am a little suspicious of his wallet being left in the cab of the truck. Terrorists are not necessarily criminal geniuses but this smells a bit. Is it possible that this guy offered his services to some militant Islamic group who saw him for what he was: an unreliable common criminal, but figured he might make a good fall guy. Perhaps is body is in some shallow grave while every law enforcement agency in Europe is looking for him and the real perpetrators of this terrorist act are still in the clear.

 

[CARIIS]

I don't understand why any country would tolerate any immigrant, refugee, asylum seeker, whatever, who has committed a serious crime. It sounds like this guy was really bad and even if his own country didn't want him back. It makes no sense to just let him carry on with his criminal activities as it appears German authorities did.

I am a little suspicious of his wallet being left in the cab of the truck. Terrorists are not necessarily criminal geniuses but this smells a bit. Is it possible that this guy offered his services to some militant Islamic group who saw him for what he was: an unreliable common criminal, but figured he might make a good fall guy. Perhaps is body is in some shallow grave while every law enforcement agency in Europe is looking for him and the real perpetrators of this terrorist act are still in the clear.

Identical thought I had when I read it this AM. Or it is one of the four names he had used and is no longer using.
This is not forgetfulness there is some reason why it was in there

It was meant to found moo

 

[dotr]

Identical thought I had when I read it this AM. Or it is one of the four names he had used and is no longer using.
This is not forgetfulness there is some reason why it was in there

It was meant to found moo

Maybe the alleged perp has changed his appearance and using another I.D., leaving behind an image and name of someone LE would be mistakenly trying to locate?
speculation.imo

 

[dotr]

Not hard for him to alter appearance, imo.
https://kurier.at/politik/ausland/newsblog-tag-zwei-nach-dem-anschlag-von-berlin/236.854.231

https://www.google.ca/search?q=Anis+Amri&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi09oDxz4bRAhUC7YMKHYRdAD0Q_AUICCgB&biw=1302&bih=631#imgrc=hhHb2yn7FdRg5M%3A

[url]https://www.google.ca/search?q=Anis+Amri&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi09oDxz4bRAhUC7YMKHYRdAD0Q_AUICCgB&biw=1302&bih=631#imgrc=kRc_NLGGMNAudM%3A

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[CARIIS]

Re BBM
I was just thinking the same thing.

Most of the main incidents the perpetrators are already known to LE.

So they need to step up to the plate and do more to stop them. The rules have to be changed to allow LE to take whatever steps are necessary to protect their people.

If people are stepping out of line and LE knows about it then by golly do something about it and dont wait until they commit mass murder before you stop them.

I thought that too none of this makes any sense. So now asylum seems to be being forced on nations thats not the spirit of it in the first place.

Its coo coo.

as his criminal past has emerged I contemplated even moving aware from terrorist - arson? He is a deviant.

He has criminal thinking patterns.

Arson is pretty intense stuff in and of itself.

The papers are in the truck - that is what a law obiding person would do - have to have my papers on me.

He is gonna care about following THAT law while on the way to murder a bunch of people?

That is kinda like a murderer wanting to go the spped limit cause he does want to break the law?? Be sure to use your turn single on the way over???

But I wanna say this -- at least they admitted all the shannigans - over here everyone would be lying about it- it would get leaked then denied until the media goes away and in three months it would be a sidebar on page 9 with a headline .

There is no congruency to it.

 

[human]

I feel Europeans have a very different view of life. They have suffered through world wars and know what hate brings people. It is not an esoteric concept to them.

I think that is why they are more lenient on crime and differences.

 

[CARIIS]

Both OT and priceless - he looks inebriated!! His markings look like he is wearing a shirt (tube top!) and crew socks!!

[video=youtube;EcwNuxsZorg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcwNuxsZorg[/video]

Today is perps birthday

All of his alias' are from like 1992-1995?? One I think 2002 latest.???

 

[CARIIS]

I wonder how they would be able to state that the hostage was shot after the rampage?? Its not like there was a lot of "time" .

Also wonder if the speed reported (40 mph) might a little high - just in terms of space - it was loaded and heavy and coming out of a turn-I really have not seen 18 wheelers, especially when loaded have that kind of acceleration- not that it matters.

MEANWHILE IN EMMERICH, GERMANY, WHERE A POLICE RAZZIA WAS UPHELD DUE TO PROCEDURAL MISTAKES....

RP Online
http://www.rp-online.de/nrw/staedte...nalisten-harren-in-emmerich-aus-aid-1.6481497

Around noon various media reported that a police operation would start shortly. Rees was first mentioned as a possible place of action, then Kleve, finally the indications pointed to the Emmericher asylum accommodation at the Tackenweide. There the first journalists and camera teams took there positions from 1 pm on.
The WDR arrived with three vehicles and a transmission van for the "Tagesschau", and later came ZDF and RTL teams, as well as Dutch TV stations as well as German and international news agencies.

From the afternoon on, eight television cameras, many photographic cameras and the glances of more than 30 journalists were directed at the asylum shelter.
However: Nothing happened for hours. But even about this nothing everything was reported and broadcasted. Thus, the Tackenweide, that never before had come under scrutiny managed itself onto the apex of the news of many German broadcasters.

In the unlikely event that the wanted Tunisian had chosen the Tackenweide as a hiding place, he would have been warned hours before the police action took place and could have left the area easily.


BBM


:fence:

not caught up sorry if posted

he set fire to a migration center not a school SKY news

Stopped being watched in Spet.Boy, they keep making blunder after blunderThe more I learn about this guy he is a real piece of work ain't he?