Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023 #3

[PawneeDew]

This is only pic I’ve seen

It's on the bottom of the article

 

[Sillybilly]

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[puckle]

Or...steal them from victims?

surely his wife - who, from my understanding, was using them - would have questioned rex on how he acquired/why the family needed food stamps. even if they were already on food stamps and he was just adding to the pot, for this to work she would need to have no clue about their finances.

 

[DetectiveB]

Does anyone know what these pipes (?) are for? I noticed them in one of the photos of LE searching RH's house and when I went to Google street view, it doesn't appear they were there in 2011 (there appears to be a spout/vent of some kind, but it doesn't look like what is there now).
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They look like or could be used for oil deliveries into the home's tank?

 

[PawneeDew]

surely his wife - who, from my understanding, was using them - would have questioned rex on how he acquired/why the family needed food stamps. even if they were already on food stamps and he was just adding to the pot, for this to work she would need to have no clue about their finances.

In my opinion, people can be willingly ignorant. (Not saying that is the case, here) He could have been controlling her financially...

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I am still thinking about the poor cat. I wonder if it's been terrified and hiding since LE started searching the place.

 

[Lex141]

There are a few. Just off the top of my head, there's Ed Kemper who talked at length to profilers, Dahmer who talked at length to his legal counsel, the New York Zodiac Heriberto Seda (listed his victims and how he killed them to the police through letters before capture), Samuel Little who not only talked about his victims, but drew portraits of them for investigators trying to link his confessions to unsolved cases and Does. There are probably others, but those are the first I thought of.

MOO

Joel Rifkin. He cracked pretty quickly, and he drew a map and led LE to all of his victims that hadn’t been found yet.

 

[crhedBngr]

I am still thinking about the poor cat. I wonder if it's been terrified and hiding since LE started searching the place.

Me, too.

JMVHO.

 

[iamshadow21]

I am still thinking about the poor cat. I wonder if it's been terrified and hiding since LE started searching the place.

IMO, if the cat was there when the police arrived, one of the first things that would have been done is LE or animal control would have removed it. The proper processing of the scene would have required the cat and any other animals be taken out of the environment. You can relax. The cat is fine, and is either with the rest of the family or in a facility being taken care of.

MOO

 

[citizen_sleuth]

I am still thinking about the poor cat. I wonder if it's been terrified and hiding since LE started searching the place.

Considering the cat was in a trap, I'm assuming it's been hiding the entire time and they had to lure it into the trap with food. Poor kitty!

 

[Lex141]

Joel Rifkin. He cracked pretty quickly, and he drew a map and led LE to all of his victims that hadn’t been found yet.

Joel Rifkin. He cracked pretty quickly, and he drew a map and led LE to all of his victims that hadn’t been found yet.

Joel was a very disorganized serial killer. His kills were not always planned out. Some days he’d patronize multiple sex workers and spare some and kill the last. He was a literal mess emotionally and lived in constant fear of being caught and even tried to “curb” his urges but obviously that didn’t work out. I fear RH is much more dangerous of a killer and don’t know if he will be as cooperative w LE as Joel.

 

[crhedBngr]

IMO, if the cat was there when the police arrived, one of the first things that would have been done is LE or animal control would have removed it. The proper processing of the scene would have required the cat and any other animals be taken out of the environment. You can relax. The cat is fine, and is either with the rest of the family or in a facility being taken care of.

MOO

I work with an Animal Rescue person, and our PD calls her anytime there are issues such as these.

JMVHO.

 

[iamshadow21]

I work with an Animal Rescue person, and our PD calls her anytime there are issues such as these.

JMVHO.

Yeah, I also have family who have worked in that side of things, but I am in a different country. My mother-in-law worked for the RSPCA for twenty years. So I was going off my knowledge of her organisation, and from what I've seen on tv. LE don't just leave animals wandering around a crime scene. They call in folks to remove them so that they can work safely and so that the animals aren't disturbing evidence at the scene. It's about the safety of everyone involved, animal and human alike.

MOO

 

[citizen_sleuth]

Yeah, I also have family who have worked in that side of things, but I am in a different country. My mother-in-law worked for the RSPCA for twenty years. So I was going off my knowledge of her organisation, and from what I've seen on tv. LE don't just leave animals wandering around a crime scene. They call in folks to remove them so that they can work safely and so that the animals aren't disturbing evidence at the scene. It's about the safety of everyone involved, animal and human alike.

MOO

That is true, but at the same time, if the house is really as bad as a "packrat" (as has been stated in the media), it is very possible a cat could go unnoticed by LE. Cats are excellent at hiding, especially when scared, so IMO it's very possible they didn't even know there was a cat still in the house until days after the search began.

ETA: I worked at a no-kill cat rescue for 2 years which frequently was called in to rescue cats from hoarder/packrat homes (typically after their owner died) and it was not at all uncommon for it to take days to trap a cat in those situations.

 

[Glimma0927]

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It’s confusing to think that he kept visiting sex workers but hadn’t killed again, at least that we know of in the last year or so he was under surveillance. Definitely open to the possibility he killed between the discovery of the first set of victims and when surveillance started.

But still, to me it’s like an addict sitting at the table with their drug of choice right in from of them. It’s hard to imagine he could resist. I suppose if he needed to take them home (ugh) he couldn’t if these visits happened while wife was home, but I don’t know. Does what I’m trying to say make sense? I am 100% they’ve got their guy as far as the GB4 go, and think he’s likely responsible for some of the other victims. I just don’t understand how he could consistently meet these women and keep from harming them.

It's possible that he's able to have transactions with sex workers without feeling the compulsion to kill them. Maybe the murdered victims insulted him or pissed him off somehow (i.e., Amber Costello), triggering violence. At some point, I would imagine that it would have been hard for him to keep the sex transaction and violence separate, but he does seem to be adept at compartmentalization.

 

[iamshadow21]

That is true, but at the same time, if the house is really as bad as a "packrat" (as has been stated in the media), it is very possible a cat could go unnoticed by LE. Cats are excellent at hiding, especially when scared, so IMO it's very possible they didn't even know there was a cat still in the house until days after the search began.

We know there was cat paraphernalia removed from the house, and no doubt they would have been told by RH and/or his wife there was a cat when they got the keys for the home.

I have three cats, and they hide from strangers sometimes. But if someone came in my home, they'd see the water bowls filled with fresh water, the food bowls, the litter trays, the cat beds and pillows on the floor and on top of furniture, the tins of cat food and bags of cat biscuits and bags of cat litter in the laundry, the scratching posts in various rooms and the scratch damage on the soft furnishings, the cat hair on everything despite my best efforts... they'd figure out I had at least one cat in a very short space of time. I also live in a cluttered house with a lot of stuff, but that wouldn't hide the cats' existence, even if they were hiding.

MOO

 

[White_Rabbit]

From reading the court documents I believe the case against Rex Heuermann is very strong. I’m not sure why they are not able to tie him to Maureen though. I have a strong feeling that Rex Heuermann is also responsible for the murder of unidentified Asian male in addition to the Gilgo Beach 4. The timeline and the modus operandi match, except that the unidentified Asian male’s cause of death was blunt force trauma to the head. My theory in this instance is that the killer, who I believe to be Rex Heuermann, upon discovering that he may have just had sexual contact, in this case oral sexual contact, <modsnip> became enraged and literally beat the victim to death.

I do not believe that Shannan Gilbert was a victim of Rex Heuermann based on the circumstances surrounding her death.

As for the dismembered victims, I believe them to be victims of John Bittrolff. At least one of the dismembered victims had body parts that were discovered along Ocean Parkway and Manorville where John Bittrolff resided.

 

[Inthedetails]

From reading the court documents I believe the case against Rex Heuermann is very strong. I’m not sure why they are not able to tie him to Maureen though. I have a strong feeling that Rex Heuermann is also responsible for the murder of unidentified Asian male in addition to the Gilgo Beach 4. The timeline and the modus operandi match, except that the unidentified Asian male’s cause of death was blunt force trauma to the head. My theory in this instance is that the killer, who I believe to be Rex Heuermann, upon discovering that he may have just had sexual contact, in this case oral sexual contact, <modsnip> became enraged and literally beat the victim to death.

I do not believe that Shannan Gilbert was a victim of Rex Heuermann based on the circumstances surrounding her death.

As for the dismembered victims, I believe them to be victims of John Bittrolff. At least one of the dismembered victims had body parts that were discovered along Ocean Parkway and Manorville where John Bittrolff resided.

Please correct me if I have this wrong, but my understanding is the DNA in Maureen's case was degraded more than with the other cases and is taking longer to process. I think we will see charges against RH for Maureen's death soon enough.

jmo

 

[TheHighestPriestess]

It's possible that he's able to have transactions with sex workers without feeling the compulsion to kill them. Maybe the murdered victims insulted him or pissed him off somehow (i.e., Amber Costello), triggering violence. At some point, I would imagine that it would have been hard for him to keep the sex transaction and violence separate, but he does seem to be adept at compartmentalization.

It could also be that his family did not leave as often as before. In the press conference the DA said that based on travel records his family was out of town during the murders, which makes me think he waited for those opportunities. I don't think it's unrealistic that he killed again but he may not have had as many opportunities as before.

 

[airportwoman]

New article in The NY Times — I gifted the article so it shouldn’t be behind a paywall

Apparently the family paid for groceries with food stamps, which is interesting considering RH had his own pretty successful architecture firm.

In Gilgo Beach Slayings, a Wife Nearby but Apparently Unknowing - NY Times​

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Cashiers at the supermarket knew them as a quiet, cheerless family that shopped several times a week. Ms. Salmeri said she watched their children grow up over the past 25 years. One thing remained constant, she said: Mr. Heuermann never accompanied them.

“He never came with them,” she said. “I’m not sure what that says about them.”

[RH’s wife] looked depressed, Ms. Salmeri said, and the family often paid with food stamps, unusual at this store.

[…]

The Mustos, like other neighbors, called Mr. Heuermann’s family reclusive and enigmatic. On a tight-knit block, they did not socialize. Their unkempt house stood out almost as an extension of their nature.

To Ms. Musto, [RH’s wife] did not seem concerned with appearances either. “It could be middle of the afternoon and she looked like she just rolled out of bed,” she said.

“I’m friendly with everybody around here but she didn’t talk to anyone,” Ms. Musto said.

Where I live, food stamps are no longer paper coupons; the money is loaded onto an EBT card, which does require a PIN. (It's also not uncommon for people to write PINs on cards, BTW.) Anyway, if his wife was on disability and her son was special-needs, they may have been eligible because of this. I'm not sure how New York rules work.