Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023 #3

[Friday13]

The simple and sad answer is that he (and other men like this) just hate women. They see us as objects for their pleasure - whatever that looks like to them - and they don't see us as complex human beings. The fact that he targeted sex workers also makes me think he thought poorly of them and maybe saw them as less of a "loss" because of their line of work. Its extremely depressing.

ETA: anybody capable of these crimes also is likely to be a psychopath and just completely lack empathy, especially for those outside their families.

If he had empathy for anyone INSIDE his family, I would think it was his daughter and that’s it. He brought her into “his world” as far as his business and the only reason he probably wanted to see her do well is because he sees her as an extension of himself since she is his only biological child.

I bet the relationship with his wife deteriorated over the years into more of a roommate situation rather than a loving marriage. He probably controlled all the finances and hid a lot of their money troubles from her. He seemed to be out of the house all hours of the day and night and she probably never questioned it because she was conditioned not to or just didn’t care anymore. She traveled a lot without him. It’s surprising sometimes how two people that live under the same roof can live vastly separate lives. I bet she became a shell of the person she was when they first met.

 

[LadyL]

Yes! That's what I'm referring too they thought Dauhner was exposed to high levels of lead too. It's a theory.

I'm confused
you think lead affects development and turns people into serial killers?
who is Dauhner?
and what does it have to do with the Montauk boys, who I thought were lost at sea

 

[LadyL]

She (and he) may have also ben heavy drinkers, etc. You never know.

are you saying they maybe spent money on booze so didn't have money for food?

 

[TootsieFootsie]

thanks I'm way back on page 7 trying to get caught up but missed that piece of info

Actually today, before your post, I wondered if it was just the guns that were locked up, and if I remembered correctly about the room being locked.
So your post made me look again at something that was niggling away at me.

 

[LadyL]

I can't seem to figure out or have yet to read how RH's wife's hair was at the crime scene, or what is the connection? If his family was out of town during the killings, how did a strand or two of the wife's hair come into play. Is there thoughts that the victims were taken back to the house, or just trying to piece that together. I mean it can lead to a theory that there is more to this story than what we know... Just some thoughts.

it would've been on his clothing, body, or implements (burlap, tools,tape, weapons etc.) that he used IMO

 

[TootsieFootsie]

So easy for hairs to get places.

Just yesterday as I was making my coffee, I noticed a strand of my long hair floating on top!

I made a fresh one

 

[IzzyBlanche]

So easy for hairs to get places.

Just yesterday as I was making my coffee, I noticed a strand of my long hair floating on top!

I made a fresh one

I found one this morning in my TOOTHBRUSH!

And I don't even have particularly long or thick hair.

 

[LadyL]

So, RH was not yet charged in the murder of MBB, but that seems like it might happen in the very near future. MBB was very likely his first victim (certainly first of the famed Gilgo 4 predating the other three by two years). Its worth noting that the belt with the "WH" initial (presumably belonging to his late father William Heuerman), was taken off the body of MBB, as the others were mentioned being bound by duct tape and not belts. According to the bail document; the buckle of that "WH" belt had the hair of RH's wife on it - meaning it was probably from the house where they both resided and not stored away on some closet or storage bin or storage unit that his wife did not frequent. The belt was out in plain sight in their house to the point where a hair of his wife's could thankfully find its way on it. If the belt was in plain sight, one would think the "WH" initials would be seen at some point by anyone in the house visiting, or otherwise. The photos of the initials were all over the TV and newspaper the days after the SCPD released those photos. A friend of mine in SC even saw it on the news as did its his dad too.
Also interesting in the MBB case, is that she is the only one of the four not associated with the duck blind camouflage burlap. We know from the bail docs that it mentions only 3 of the 4 girls in burlap and that two of the victims had hairs removed from the burlap (Waterman and Costello mentioned by name). Furthermore, we know that canine unit PO who initially found the Barthelemy body specifically mentioned 'disintegrated burlap'. So that leaves MBB as the sole outlier. She was two full ears prior to the other 3 girls, bound with three belts instead of duct tape, and picked up from NYC (not Long Island motels like the other girls). The use of a family object like a custom belt hints that RH grabbed what was laying around in a pinch, and perhaps what happened to MBB was not planned for and his initial killing was not as premeditated as other years later. MOO. Anyone who googles a picture of the duck-blind camo burlap and is familiar with the brush on the side of Ocean parkway will see an absolutely perfect match and one that clearly shows a well thought out and premeditated choice. The duck blind camo isn't your typical army camo, it matches the tans and brown grasses of ocean marsh brush identically (see photo attached) - and is designed to do so as that is where these duck blinds typically are located. We see a killer evolving, preparing for his next kills, fine tuning, being a little more meticulous, but luckily not meticulous enough.

WH was his grandfather
and the hair could have been anywhere on his person and made it's way to the belt when he used it (for strangling them?)

 

[DetectiveB]

Rh used the screen name
"Springfieldman9"

Somewhat short Youtube RH video dated 7/18/23 by Winter Bros
Not sure if this was shared here or not but will post just in case.
Pretty good, well put together.

 

[acutename]

The simple and sad answer is that he (and other men like this) just hate women. They see us as objects for their pleasure - whatever that looks like to them - and they don't see us as complex human beings. The fact that he targeted sex workers also makes me think he thought poorly of them and maybe saw them as less of a "loss" because of their line of work. Its extremely depressing.

ETA: anybody capable of these crimes also is likely to be a psychopath and just completely lack empathy, especially for those outside their families.

no psych credentials here but my random impression of this is that he was drawn to these women but then infuriated that "they attracted him" (!) so he had to get rid of them. IMO. curious what his parents were like; curious if they were strict because he spent a lot of time hiding his activities from his family and having different personalities. also curious if this was sex or just violence or both or what it was. if you have a lot of desires but then need to kill anyone you are ever with, your life is on a collision course IMO. He has denied everything, so not sure if there will be any "explanation" as might come with a confession. 200+ guns is a lot to even fit in a small house and did he have ammo for all of them and fully keep track of them? news sites say he was an "avid hunter"

Gilgo Beach investigators remove portrait of battered ...​

New York Post
https://nypost.com › 2023/07/17 › gilgo-beach-investi...





1 day ago — Heuermann — a 59-year-old married father and New York City architect — had permits for just 92 and was known to be an avid hunter, ...

what was he supposedly hunting? deer ? ducks? varmints? did he really hunt or was it a reason to have guns and tromp around?

 

[LadyL]

Absolute trash journalism imo by the nyt. The family are victims. Go after the monster not his family. I am so glad that nasty neighbor quoted is not in my area. Also the store clerk would be looking for a new job if I ran that IGA. Heartless and thoughtless. Imo

yep I'm disappointed in the NYT for publishing that

 

[LadyL]

This would fit with RH also seeming to be a hoarder. He doesn't like to get rid of anything.

That said, the fact RH googled LISK instead of Gilgo Beach Killer gives me a lot of pause. If he was reading about the case he would be aware of both names and why they're different, and yet he still chose to Google the one that seems to be an umbrella name for all of the murders.

good point!

 

[Keith417]

Can food stamps be given just to anybody?
I thought they are given to ppl who provide evidence of being destitute/bankruptcy.

I am thinking for the disabled son if he is an adult he will qualify for food stamps on his own.

 

[Lore Listener]

Could you clarify what designer? I'm behind and trying to catch up. TIA

Yes, there was an interview with an interior designer named Katherine Shepard in the DM in which she said she had been invited to RH's house in 2005 to look over and measure the place in preparation for a kitchen reno. She saw the locked basement room and RH told her no one is permitted in there. He said because of the guns.

Rex Heuermann refused to let interior designer measure locked room

Interior designer Katherine Shepherd told DailyMail.com how Rex Heuermann did not allow her to enter a room in his basement at his Massapequa Park in 2005.

www.dailymail.co.uk

It's interesting because the first of the G4 wasn't killed until two years later. I wonder if that has implications for the possibility of earlier victims.

 

[acutename]

I'm not sure why exactly, but her account doesn't ring true to me.

For one thing, why would a woman in her mid-twenties accept a date from then 49-year-old RH? He wasn't exactly a looker.

That might sound shallow, but I was a woman in my mid-twenties once.

maybe not really a "date"....and we do not know if he lied in how he initially approached her- lied about his age/income/marital status etc. IMO just possibilities

 

[acutename]

I can't seem to figure out or have yet to read how RH's wife's hair was at the crime scene, or what is the connection? If his family was out of town during the killings, how did a strand or two of the wife's hair come into play. Is there thoughts that the victims were taken back to the house, or just trying to piece that together. I mean it can lead to a theory that there is more to this story than what we know... Just some thoughts.

wife's hair could have been in his vehicle(s)

 

[Mzsnazzi]

The person interviewed at the IGA grocery store said that she watched the children grow up over the 25 or so years while the family shopped at their store. So the food stamps could have been used a long time ago, it may have been just something she remembered from the past, it wasn't specified in the article.

If RH bought his mother's home in 1994 and then started his own business/architectural firm that year or a year or two after (I don't remember the exact date), then I would think that it would have been some time before there would have been much income coming in. They may have been eligible for food stamps when the children were quite young, until the business began to generate income they could live on.

Since it has been reported that there is a son with special needs it may be possible that he qualifies for SSDI which is a type of disability that may receive food stamps.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I just googled RH's name with "avid hunter" and he was reported to be an "avid hunter" in the very earliest reports.

Nothing reported since then that I can recall to indicate he was an "avid hunter," in the sense of someone who enthusiastically hunts animals.

I wonder where the initial "avid hunter" info came from?

 

[LadyL]

Yeah, I also have family who have worked in that side of things, but I am in a different country. My mother-in-law worked for the RSPCA for twenty years. So I was going off my knowledge of her organisation, and from what I've seen on tv. LE don't just leave animals wandering around a crime scene. They call in folks to remove them so that they can work safely and so that the animals aren't disturbing evidence at the scene. It's about the safety of everyone involved, animal and human alike.

MOO

the cat was in a live trap when they removed him/her so it's likely they had the trap set from the beginning and the cat finally went in it (animal rescuer here)

 

[bonniejeanne17]

Missing Persons in Owned Land Area States - Initial, Indicative Statistical Analysis

I am doing some number crunching on missing persons in potential areas of interest to this case, beginning with New York State. I will drill down to areas closer to Long Island shortly.

Sleuths, if you think I should change 'cut-off' criteria, like heights, ages and date of last contact, then let me know, as I have not had time to look up the height range preference of the def, or checked the potential active years - it's in previous replies.

Although my knowledge of US geography is not great as I must admit that I am not from the States, I understand the defendant has property in: Las Vegas, South Carolina and Long Island.

At the moment I am looking only at data on missing persons with a New York State tag [update: I'm expanding the dataset to now include: Nevada + South Carolina].

If anyone can pass me the further detail around the names of the towns/cities/states/locations where the defendant had the land + properties, and the same for land identified as potential dumping ground, let me know, and I will expand the search and start drilling down.

This should include if possible out-of-state if appropriate (e.g. if land is on a state border).

Include also any towns/names of any lake, reservoir and beach areas, potentially forest areas as well.

It would be especially helpful if you could provide the names of the nearest towns/cities/boroughs (e.g. Bronx, etc) to (a) Long Island itself; (b) the def's Manhattan office (presumably Manhattan, but give surrounding); (c) Any known red light / cruising areas in New York, especially those near to arterial roads to Long Island.

NEW YORK STATE

Missing Persons Females Aged 26 and under, New York State, of Height 4'8" to 5'2"
Date Missing and Age Range
Earliest last contact Date	29 March 1990
Latest last contact Date	12 December 2022
Age Range	6 to 26
Ethnicity:	Number	Percentage
Of which Black	21​	37%​
Of which White	24​	42%​
Of which Hispanic/Latino	7​	12%​
Of Which Asian	4​	7%​
Of Which Other	1​	2%​
Total	57​	100%​

SOUTH CAROLINA

South Carolina Missing and 4'8" To 5'2" tall
Age Range Considered	Age 6 to 28
Earliest Date Missing	04 March 1991​
Latest Date Missing	23 May 2023​
Ethnicity Black	43​	37%​
Ethnicity White	69​	60%​
Ethicity Hispanic / Latino	3​	3%​
Ethnicity Asian	0​	0%​
Ethnicity Other	0​	0%​
Total	115​	100%​

NEVADA

	Nevada Missing and 4'8" To 5'2" tall
	Age Range Considered	Age 6 to 28
	Earliest Date Missing	25 May 2023​
	Latest Date Missing	25 August 2023​
Black	Ethnicity Black	6​	6%​
White	Ethnicity White	73​	76%​
CSAmerican	Ethicity Hispanic / Latino	9​	9%​
Asian	Ethnicity Asian	5​	5%​
Other	Ethnicity Other	3​	3%​
	Total	96​	100%​

Caveats: Not quality assured; not for wider sharing; no vouch for accuracy
Source: Analysis of US Government Data.

NB For insight to those interested, this is exactly the sort of "quick and dirty" message I would be sending internally to colleagues in the NYPD or wherever, if I was starting out on this from a standing start, and providing analytical support at pace.

There were several murdered girls, known sex workers, found off the Belt Pkwy. inthe 2010s. The Belt goes out to L.I. through Bklyn and Queens. A person driving from Midtown Manhattan could use this route going home to Massapequa Park. These killings are cold cases.