Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023 #6

[Just K]

I hadn't heard that Jessica Taylor and Sugar Bear both lived with Khalil White. Do you have a source so I can read about it? Thanks in advance.

Sorry, same Street in Brooklyn- DeSales Place

 

[iamshadow21]

Sorry, same Street in Brooklyn- DeSales St.

Okay, so not literally together, just from the same neighbourhood. I understand.

 

[Just K]

Sorry, same Street in Brooklyn- DeSales St.

That should say, DeSales Place, in Brooklyn. I’ve lost the “edit” function.

 

[Soulmagent]

bbm
I agree so far, as in my eyes he is not looking scary or ugly. To name him ie. "Frankenstein", I find completely exaggerated. Nevertheless he is a killer; we will learn, how many victims he left behind.

I agree to a point.
He is very tall. Thats the end of him looking any different or whatever.
However people make judgements about people based on all their sences. so a lot of the descriptions of him include the impression the person recieved of him as a whole . Most are coming from people who already were feeling his bad vibes based on their interactions of him ..mainly AC's description . After his arest people are looking at him like a monster because of all the lives he took ,then comes the idea this guys face was the last one these woman saw ,and everyone is on board with AC'S description . Just like his truck description no one heard about it until Rex was aressted.

What should have happened is they should have had Alex work with a composit artist in 2010 and get his suspect sketch out. Dunno maybe they tried but the LI Le was the acting like the biggest f@!# force ever in this case until all of what happened ,happend.
So it makes me question if some of those women found on the beach were murdered by someone known to corrupt officers. Actualy its always been a question and Rex's capture does not change that for me.
So Rex saying he did not do it (eyeroll) Could just mean he did not kill 11 women to him.
L

 

[Just K]

Wednesday marked 20 years since the headless and handless body of Jessica Taylor, a 20-year-old escort working out of New York City, was discovered in the woods of Manorville, Long Island.

She was the second victim of an unknown killer to be found brutally dismembered and tied up. Valerie Mack, a sex worker from New Jersey and Philadelphia, was similarly found dead in 2000.

“Their leg area was bound in a ball,” one former investigator told PIX11 News. “You’d have to be a hunter to do something like that.”

When PIX11 asked another law enforcement source about Bittrolff and the Manorville victims connected to Gilgo, we received this response: “We’re looking at him very closely, but we’re not ruling out Heuermann.”

2 other Gilgo Beach victims were tied up like a ‘hunter’ did it: investigator

MANORVILLE, Long Island (PIX11) — Wednesday marked 20 years since the headless and handless body of Jessica Taylor, a 20-year-old escort working out of New York City, was discovered in the wo…

pix11.com

Does anyone know what is meant by “their leg area was bound in a ball,” this is the first I’ve heard this about JT.

 

[Soulmagent]

I am going to take a leap here that white males are having a problem identifying Rex as odd, leery, intimidating, or hulking. As a petite framed, short POC female, he is ALL those things. And males that have oddball behaviors, seem secretive, and/or have solitude attitudes should give someone red flags.
You're not going to see where I'm coming from and I'm a bit sleep deprived at the moment to take this any further than t

Actually it was a white guy who started the wonderful series of description we have now, same reason they had a truck description .

Does anyone know what is meant by “their leg area was bound in a ball,” this is the first I’ve heard this about JT.

I dont , but from you question I pictured a person standing with there feet inside a ball. ThatS not it forsure . It is the prettiest theroy I got for you everything else is really tear jerking.

 

[dotr]

fwiw..

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[I am not Sherlock H.]

real hair or a cheap toupee? anyone know?

Maybe a real cheap toupee? MOO.

I am still split on whether real hair or a toupee.

 

[NyxNY]

I continue my opinion from when this first came up: they’re not going to let him have a wig. He just has unruly hair.

Correct. None of that is allowed. Prisoners are even forced to remove hair extensions.

 

[helpfulcharlie]

I am going to take a leap here that white males are having a problem identifying Rex as odd, leery, intimidating, or hulking. As a petite framed, short POC female, he is ALL those things. And males that have oddball behaviors, seem secretive, and/or have solitude attitudes should give someone red flags. You're not going to see where I'm coming from and I'm a bit sleep deprived at the moment to take this any further than that but I believe this will resonate with men and women that have survived certain experiences. MOST serial killers are profiled as white and male in the USA for obvious population volume alone. So sex workers, associates, his next-door neighbor, they have all said this guy made them think he was narcissistic, dangerous, and pulling a fast one on them (including a woman in Massapequa Park shortly before his actual arrest.

The guy, essentially has resting *$@!% face. That's what you fail to identify and see due to society's blindsights.

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lol.

i'm a white male, and somewhat large-framed as well.

this guy's all of those things you described. and a potato.

 

[FromGermany1]

I agree to a point.
He is very tall. Thats the end of him looking any different or whatever.
However people make judgements about people based on all their sences. so a lot of the descriptions of him include the impression the person recieved of him as a whole . Most are coming from people who already were feeling his bad vibes based on their interactions of him ..mainly AC's description . After his arest people are looking at him like a monster because of all the lives he took ,then comes the idea this guys face was the last one these woman saw ,and everyone is on board with AC'S description . Just like his truck description no one heard about it until Rex was aressted.

What should have happened is they should have had Alex work with a composit artist in 2010 and get his suspect sketch out. Dunno maybe they tried but the LI Le was the acting like the biggest f@!# force ever in this case until all of what happened ,happend.
So it makes me question if some of those women found on the beach were murdered by someone known to corrupt officers. Actualy its always been a question and Rex's capture does not change that for me.
So Rex saying he did not do it (eyeroll) Could just mean he did not kill 11 women to him.
L

In any case, RH's optics were made for a description/painting on a WANTED-poster, you are right! Exactly because of his "giant" shape (compared to a petit woman of course more giant than he already is) he could have been recognized much sooner (IF the public had known of him). Plus the Avalanche!! and we wouldn't be in 2023, waiting for the development re SC and Las Vegas and so on.
Poor giant thing: he didn't do it! The police (old staff) would also probably prefer someone else to have done it than this man, who was described 10 years ago by a witness ("ogre", "Frankenstein" or not).

 

[FromGermany1]

Maybe a real cheap toupee? MOO.

I am still split on whether real hair or a toupee.

Real and many curls, which he tames. MOO

 

[ArianeEmory]

I was listening to CeCe Moore being interviewed on an unrelated podcast last night, and she mentioned that a (very large, can’t remember the number, maybe 99%?) of cold cases she’s helped solved have uncovered a murderer who still lives very close to where the murders were committed. Years or decades later.

 

[WINDSOR]

Have they mentioned any matching of RH fingerprinting?

Surely you can get finger prints off tape ?
And plastic wrappings ?

God knows when I tape up a parcel its likely got my nail polish stuck in/on it as well as finger prints....

not if one, was to wear gloves.

 

[CuriousCricket]

sorry, you misunderstood my question....I'm familiar with a fair amount of US legal terms but not "motions"

I know what the buccal swab is and can see it was filed on 1 July (for reference of differences - in my country date would be written 01/08 instead of the way round you guys write it )

So you enquired why swab was under motions - I still don't know what that means...

gotcha. A motion is a request to the court for some action to be ordered by the judge: dismiss the case, make the DA give us all the evidence his office has so we can 1. know the case against our client 2. prepare a defense for our client 3. present other motions/requests to the court (actually the judge on the case). So, under motions is Buccal swab. One side or the other - probably the District Attorney -- has requested the judge to order the defendant to submit to a buccal swab.

(ETA, some discussion suggests the defense MAY have submitted a motion to throw out the buccal swab obtained at booking. Just "buccal swab" doesn't tell us exactly what the motion was. Keep this paragraph in mind when reading the rest of this post.)

If the judge so orders, there will be a new DNA test results in the file. Or whatever the request was.

I see the buccal swab in evidence as important because A. the defense could argue that the pizza crust DNA was not RH's; but a swab controlled by the court won't have that possibility. Also, every test you take will show up slightly different and an actual swab is likely to present a more thorough result.

So, a motion is just a request -- and it can be from either side -- to the judge for an action to be required of the other side. The judge will "rule" on each motion presented to him, either granting the motion or denying the motion.

 

[Soulmagent]

In any case, RH's optics were made for a description/painting on a WANTED-poster, you are right! Exactly because of his "giant" shape (compared to a petit woman of course more giant than he already is) he could have been recognized much sooner (IF the public had known of him). Plus the Avalanche!! and we wouldn't be in 2023, waiting for the development re SC and Las Vegas and so on.
Poor giant thing: he didn't do it! The police (old staff) would also probably prefer someone else to have done it than this man, who was described 10 years ago by a witness ("ogre", "Frankenstein" or not).

I feel there is a ton to be explored on this line of questioning the case .
We only have details for a few of these woman but how lucky for the dismemberment crew that Rex happened to be murdering woman and sticking them in his back yard.

Everything about this case is crazy.
I find it ironic that in the early days of this case people would bring up Occam Razor

In philosophy, Occam's razor (also spelled Ockham's razor or Ocham's razor; Latin: novacula Occami) is the problem-solving principle that recommends searching for explanations constructed with the smallest possible set of elements. It is also known as the principle of parsimony or the law of parsimony (Latin: lex parsimoniae). Attributed to William of Ockham, a 14th-century English philosopher and theologian, it is frequently cited as Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem, which translates as "Entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity",[1][2] although Occam never used these exact words. Popularly, the principle is sometimes inaccurately[3] paraphrased as "The simplest explanation is usually the best one."[4]

Yet here we are today considering the likiness of 3 murderers dumping bodys in the same 15 mile span and it is very clear this princible is about to fail.

 

[CuriousCricket]

How about in 2010? And if the burner phones and Heuermann's own phone were connecting to the same towers why didn't they mention that? As I said, for Heuernann's own phone it's always unnamed call locations in New York City.

Actually, the same thought had occurred to me -- would all three phones be shown traveling together? However, what if RH simply shut one phone off, when he switched to using the other? SO, he's planning activities that go on the burner phone. He shuts off his personal phone. When he gets thru the "burner activities" he shuts down the burner phone and turns his personal phone back on ---- NOW, that would have to show up, in the pings, wouldn't it? hmmmm wonder if it does? Or would he shut down a phone, travel to where he needed to use a phone, then turn the correct one on? In the bail application, there are a couple of times he appears to have cross used the phones. I thought sloppy. But once he had done that a time or two, don't you think he'd have devised a work-around -- such as shutting off the phone he would not be using?

 

[ArianeEmory]

In the bail application, there are a couple of times he appears to have cross used the phones. I thought sloppy.

I’d have to re-listen to the LISK podcast for exact details, but yes, he got sloppy.

One of the pieces of evidence against convicted serial killer Dellen Millard (in Canada) was that his regular phone and his burner phone that he used to lure his final victim were pinging off the same tower.

It would be great if people could just not be murderers, but if they’re going to be, it’s at least helpful when they’re really dumb about technology.

 

[Ann99]

Has anyone checked RH info on LinkedIn? Just curious.

Also, is there any reason to think (do we have info) that RH ever lived in Massachusetts for period of time? Maybe rental apartments.
We have a list of properties he owned, but is it possible he had rentals, maybe a small place here and there over the years.
The money had to go somewhere. He could afford it. Multiple places for privacy.

 

[CuriousCricket]

Assuming you mean instances like this?



It's showing the times calls were made from each phone and that they were in basically the same general location.

A call was made from the victim phone an hour before a call from Heuermann's phone.

It's purely showing IN USE call times from phones and that his phone and a victim phone (and his phone and a burner phone on pages 12 & 13) were in close proximity to one another AND known locations of RH.

It's not purporting to show non-stop ping locations of phones, just parallels specific to USE of the phones (as far as location/time).

The timing of these calls is also interesting as it has been stated that the Barthelemy calls were made from extremely busy locations so that even with cameras everywhere, it was impossible to trace the calls. 12:40 p.m. -- that suggests a lunch hour noon to 1 p.m.. The later time, with his personal phone, he was back on the job. At one point in the document, the point is made that at NO time when a call to the victims was being made was RH's phone active anywhere else. In other words, LE had attempted to find his personal phone AWAY from the burner phone or victims' phones and had not succeeded.

Edited to add: I hope the photos taken at the times the victims' phones were used are now scanned to see if RH can be located in the crowd. Wouldn't that be strong evidence if at the exact time Barthelemy's phone was being used to call her family by the man who said he killed her RH could be proven to be in the exact location of the phone call?