Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023 #6

[NyxNY]

In Melbourne Old Gaol, convicts used Bibles as hiding places. The one I saw in their museum was cut out to hide contraband. I am thinking that someone can hide microfilms, or use a Bible to write something in it, or for cryptography. JMO.

Another thought on the bibles in search warrant. Every hotel room here in the US, including the seedy charge-by-the-hour motels, has a bible in the nightstand drawer. I am thinking along the lines of trophies. MOO

 

[Pinkizzy]

CA - CA - Barstow, HispFem 14-19, UP6718, severed head in backpack, Feb'10

BARSTOW A human head found off Lenwood Road is being investigated as a possible homicide, according to the Barstow Police Department. snip Because of the condition of the remains, police havent determined the victims age or gender yet. Police officers were notified at about 2:55 p.m...

www.websleuths.com

Similar to Jessica Taylor and near other dismembered bodies along the I15

 

[DSCrime]

Suspect in Gilgo Beach Killings Hears Catalog of Evidence Against Him

My paraphrasing of this article, as I don't want to infringe on copyright TOS on Websleuths, the assistant district attorney told the court that prosecutors had turned over only the first portion of evidence to the defense.

 

[Soulmagent]

Another thought on the bibles in search warrant. Every hotel room here in the US, including the seedy charge-by-the-hour motels has a bible in the nightstand drawer. I am thinking along the lines of trophies. MOO

So when they say trophies ,I am pretty sure they mean a thing personal to the crime. I guess a bible could be a trophie ,but panties could be one trophie in one case and in the next, it is a butterfly hair clip.
Also all it takes from a lose to a win ,is miscalulations .

 

[CuriousCricket]

It would be great if people could just not be murderers, but if they’re going to be, it’s at least helpful when they’re really dumb about technology.

But think how much technology has changed in 20 years and will in the next 20. Some of the knowledge today was not even thought about a decade ago, so no way to plan. Like the Golden State Killer, a cop who the minute DNA was introduced appears to have realized what it meant in the investigation of crimes and appears to have stopped killing. He recognized the possibilities . . . The lovely thought is that while it's horrible he wasn't caught earlier, he had to live with the knowledge, every day and every moment, that he was sitting on a powder keg that could blow him sky high any moment.

 

[NyxNY]

So when they say trophies ,I am pretty sure they mean a thing personal to the crime. I guess a bible could be a trophie ,but panties could be one trophie in one case and in the next, it is a butterfly hair clip.
Also all it takes from a lose to a win ,is miscalulations .

Agreed. As far as them being trophies, as an example, "this bible was from ______ hotel/motel with SW ________". I am purely speculating what the significance of the bibles in the search warrant are.

 

[Soulmagent]

Agreed. As far as them being trophies, as an example, "this bible was from ______ hotel/motel with SW ________". I am purely speculating what the significance of the bibles in the search warrant are.

I am going to guess they are looking for the hotel stamps on bibles ,maybe?

 

[Ruminations]

Do you have a link for this information? Thank you.

The night terror was correct that DS was inconsistent. But that was because of many factors, including fear of revenge on him by the killer, and advice by LE to stop talking. LE says it had the vehicle description for a decade. They also don't name the witness, although DS seems logical.

Maybe the witness was someone else in that dense suburb.

Maybe the witness was DS and he did not with to give a specific car discription to the public, being that the owner could have been a killer, and surely knew where DS lived.

MOO

 

[iamshadow21]

I am going to guess they are looking for the hotel stamps on bibles ,maybe?

I think that the one thing against the hotel bibles theory, is that as far as I know, all four girls (including Maureen) were doing 'out calls' at the time they went missing. They were going to the client (or with him to a location), which from phone data would suggest would be at his home. I've seen no suggestion that the dates were at hotels, or that he came to them at a location, with the exception of the 'scam' with Amber the day before she disappeared, and even that wasn't a hotel but a home. Megan was living at a Holiday Inn, but she left the premises for her date rather than her client meeting her in her room.

Of course, he could have rented a room for the date, but then he would have been leaving a paper trail, and would have had to get their bodies out of the establishment and to his car without being observed or recorded. Not impossible, but if his wife was away, and the house was empty? Not to mention his house kind of seems to hold a weird status for him? I think it more likely he took them there, to an environment he knew intimately and could control completely.

MOO

 

[Barbie619]

Burking Law and Legal Definition​

Burking means the crime of murdering a person, ordinarily by smothering, for thepurpose of selling the corpse.
The term derives its name from the method William Burke and William Hare, the Scottish murder team of the 19th century, used to kill their victims during the West Port murders. They realized that they could provide fresher bodies to medical schools for research by taking people who were intoxicated and suffocating them because they could not resist. That became known as burking. [Titlow v. Burt, 2010 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 111459 (D. Mich. 2010)].
They killed the victims by sitting on their chests and suffocating them by putting a hand over their nose and mouth, while using the other hand to push the victim's jaw up. The corpses had only few visible injuries, and this made the corpses more salable to medical schools.
The following is an example of a case law referring to the term:
The term "burking" was named after William Burke, who along with an accomplice in 1815, killed a number of people and sold their bodies to medical schools in Edinburgh, Scotland. Burke and his accomplice would follow and kill intoxicated individuals by one of them holding a hand over the victim's nose and mouth, while the other would sit on the victim's chest until he or she died of asphyxia. [ Tabish v. State, 119 Nev. 293, 321 (Nev. 2003)].

Legal Definition list​

• Burke Act
• Burke
• Buried-Facts Doctrine
• Burial Site
• Burial Insurance
• Burking
• Burkism
• Burmese Freedom and Democracy Act of 2003
• Burn Rate
• Burning Cost
• Burning to Defraud Insurer

(cos it took me 20 attempts , at least to complete their crazy puzzles to enter the site, I'll spare everyone the journey)

I first heard this term with Gabby Petito and how she was murdered by Brian Laundry. Terrifying way to die.

 

[Barbie619]

The night terror was correct that DS was inconsistent. But that was because of many factors, including fear of revenge on him by the killer, and advice by LE to stop talking. LE says it had the vehicle description for a decade. They also don't name the witness, although DS seems logical.

Maybe the witness was someone else in that dense suburb.

Maybe the witness was DS and he did not with to give a specific car discription to the public, being that the owner could have been a killer, and surely knew where DS lived.

MOO

It was DS interview on the Killing Season where he mentioned seeing the vehicle Amber Costello got into the last time he saw her. He didn't mention any further details that have since been released to the public.

 

[Warwick7]

The night terror was correct that DS was inconsistent. But that was because of many factors, including fear of revenge on him by the killer, and advice by LE to stop talking. LE says it had the vehicle description for a decade. They also don't name the witness, although DS seems logical.

Maybe the witness was someone else in that dense suburb.

Maybe the witness was DS and he did not with to give a specific car discription to the public, being that the owner could have been a killer, and surely knew where DS lived.

MOO

BBM
I also want to add fear or revenge from LE that was crooked and since then had been arrested.

I am only 1/2 way thru the depositions, but it really seems to me DS really cared for SG. That said, I am only 1/2 way done. If he did become inconsistent, there are plenty reading why.

I'm thinking of Diaz

 

[Barbie619]

He looks like anyone else that has been accused of being a serial killer. I have read all the pages in the Heuermann threads where people comment what an ogre he is, how scary he looks, how he would look killing the women, etc. He doesn't look scary. He's just tall and heavy set. He doesn't walk weirdly. There was nothing odd about him in the interview with the WEIRDO French guy. There was nothing odd about him in the recorded phone call to whatever her name is.

And Costello's pimp who claimed to have seen his car is lying. Watch the old documentaries, read the old articles about LISK. Not once did he mention a car. Then all of a sudden, 13 years later, a pickup truck appears. Hell, they didn't even report Costello missing back when she was murdered.
8TB might seem like much, but it isn't really. Michael Brown will crush

I'm surprised to see a pro RH comment. When DS was interviewed for the killing season, he actually talked about the vehicle AC got into and the last time he saw her. He didn't give details about the car or the previous nights encountered when AC rolled him and kept his money. DS must have been that person because it was his home and Amber was staying with him and was using his phone for her business.

 

[NyxNY]

I think that the one thing against the hotel bibles theory, is that as far as I know, all four girls (including Maureen) were doing 'out calls' at the time they went missing. They were going to the client (or with him to a location), which from phone data would suggest would be at his home. I've seen no suggestion that the dates were at hotels, or that he came to them at a location, with the exception of the 'scam' with Amber the day before she disappeared, and even that wasn't a hotel but a home. Megan was living at a Holiday Inn, but she left the premises for her date rather than her client meeting her in her room.

Of course, he could have rented a room for the date, but then he would have been leaving a paper trail, and would have had to get their bodies out of the establishment and to his car without being observed or recorded. Not impossible, but if his wife was away, and the house was empty? Not to mention his house kind of seems to hold a weird status for him? I think it more likely he took them there, to an environment he knew intimately and could control completely.

MOO

My theory is far-fetched, I know. Yes, out calls when they went missing. However, they were not only doing out calls. For example, while Megan went missing on an out call, she was leaving the Holiday Inn in Hauppauge, NY where she regularly conducted business. We do not know how many times prior to them going missing that they had appointments withy RH or where. I would also bet my life on it that there are more victims that we currently aren't aware of.

 

[ArianeEmory]

The lovely thought is that while it's horrible he wasn't caught earlier, he had to live with the knowledge, every day and every moment, that he was sitting on a powder keg that could blow him sky high any moment.

I’m not a terribly vindictive person by nature, but since forensic genealogy has exploded, I’ve enjoyed imagining how many murderers and rapists are sweating it out and waiting for the knock on the door. Tick tock, guys. Careful with those pizza crusts. (But it won’t help. You won’t be able to be careful enough.)

Ok, I guess I have a tiny vindictive spark.

 

[iamshadow21]

I first heard this term with Gabby Petito and how she was murdered by Brian Laundry. Terrifying way to die.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Tammy Daybell was burked, though I have nothing definitive to point to except the fact that she had body bruising but no facial bruising or marks of manual strangulation.

I'm pretty sure all four of the GB4 were strangled, though. Doesn't mean he couldn't have used his size to overpower them, though. In fact, I'm sure it was an important part of the ritual of killing for him. Size difference seems to have been a key interest for him, if the build of his victims and his search history are to be relied upon.

MOO

 

[Barbie619]

BBM
I also want to add fear or revenge from LE that was crooked and since then had been arrested.

I am only 1/2 way thru the depositions, but it really seems to me DS really cared for SG. That said, I am only 1/2 way done. If he did become inconsistent, there are plenty reading why.

I'm thinking of Diaz

DS was a friend of Amber Costello and she was staying at his home the night she disappeared. Excellent point about the fear not realizing it was crooked department. So many factors that came together during that time period that lead to botching the case and all the years it took to bring it back together and finally arresting the suspect.

 

[iamshadow21]

My theory is far-fetched, I know. Yes, out calls when they went missing. However, they were not only doing out calls. For example, while Megan went missing on an out call, she was leaving the Holiday Inn in Hauppauge, NY where she regularly conducted business. We do not know how many times prior to them going missing that they had appointments withy RH or where. I would also bet my life on it that there are more victims that we currently aren't aware of.

Oh, I agree with you 100%. I'm not saying it isn't plausible, it could have happened exactly as you say! Just because I think the home is a more likely place is not a fact, it's just my opinion, pay it no mind!

I am in complete agreement on the death toll. I think there are so many we don't know about. I hope we learn their names and get justice for them, too.

MOO

 

[Barbie619]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Tammy Daybell was burked, though I have nothing definitive to point to except the fact that she had body bruising but no facial bruising or marks of manual strangulation.

I'm pretty sure all four of the GB4 were strangled, though. Doesn't mean he couldn't have used his size to overpower them, though. In fact, I'm sure it was an important part of the ritual of killing for him. Size difference seems to have been a key interest for him, if the build of his victims and his search history are to be relied upon.

MOO

Yes, it does seem he wanted a particular type of woman to use for his crimes against them.

 

[Charlot123]

The result was not "Icelandic hair" but "mitochondrial haplogroup K1c2". That could mean German hair too.

K1c2 mtDNA Haplogroup

Wiki page on K1c2 mtDNA Haplogroup.

www.wikitree.com

In fact, they can’t say “ethnicity” based on mito DNA. You maternal line’s very remote ethnicity might be told but might be not what you think you are.

MitoDNA mutates. The whole issue with identification of the Romanov’s remains stalled because of heteroplasmy (a point mutation that might reverse back).

This is why we have so many haplogroups starting from “mitochondrial Eve”. She had L, I think. Mitochondrial Eve - Wikipedia

And full mitochondrial sequencing might be very individual within a haplogroup as it includes private mutations.

(And god forbid criminologists can now extract parts of nuclear of DNA from human hair although with imputations…that will probably be on case by case basis.)

Mitochondrial DNA - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

(Now: this is about the Romanovs DNA identification because it shows the progress of science. If we have “historical criminology” section I am thinking to contribute. The whole story with the search for the slain tzar’s family starts in the Soviet time when the greedy bureaucracy hoped to find diamonds buried with their bodies.)) )

The identification of the Romanovs: Can we (finally) put the controversies to rest? - Investigative Genetics

For much of the 20th century the fate of the last Imperial family of Russia, the Romanovs, was a mystery after their execution in 1918. In the mid 1970s the mass grave of the Romanov family (minus two of the children) was discovered and officially exhumed after the fall of the Soviet Union...

investigativegenetics.biomedcentral.com