Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023 #7

[Mountain_Kat]

She has an existing Doe thread (now listed as identified!) here:

Possible Victim: Fire Island Jane Doe, UP9098, found Davis Park Apr 1996 & Ocean Parkway Apr 2011 - Karen Vergata

Fire Island Jane Doe Namus UP #9098 20 April 1996 "The decedents left and right legs were recovered on April 20, 1996 at Blue Point Beach in the vicinity of Davis Park, Suffolk County NY." (CBS New York) People walking along Blue Point Beach on Fire Island in the vicinity of Davis Park...

www.websleuths.com

Got it. So we're just furthering our research on Fire Island Jane Doe, with Karen's name added. Thanks.

 

[Jurisprudence]

Often they hope the suspect will provide one voluntarily at their request following the arrest. I'm guessing he told them to pound sand so they had to request a warrant for the DNA swab. They have a lot going on, in a million different directions, so the application for the warrant just takes some time. They had enough to hold him, and they know where he's going to be, so they probably just did it in due time. It's also appropriate to wait for a period of time to see if he puts in a request to speak with investigators. He's obviously not ready for that yet. I'm curious as to whether he'll put up a fight once the warrant is granted.

I see your point on most but not with it being appropriate to wait to see if he decides to talk. That makes no sense to me. As far as the exigency, I think the Idaho case with BK was exigent and they managed to have several warrants in hand on arrest. Not just for his person (with buccal swab), but also for his car, the PA home, and the WA apartment, all executed simultaneously with the arrest and with each other.

MOO

 

[x_files]

Am I correct in remembering most victims were last seen on/about a holiday (or at least a noted US calendar day)? Labor Day, 4th of July, Valentine's Day, etc??

I have noticed a pattern of abductions around three-day holidays and when parents/people are drinking and/or distracted like the 4th of July.

 

[fred&edna]

I think he would have known. From the Presser:
"In August of 2022, approximately 6 months after we formed this Gilgo Task Force, a DNA profile suitable for genealogical comparison was developed from the remains of Karen Vergata.

"In September of 2022, the FBI was able, via a genetic genealogy review, to identify Ms. Vergata."

So, apparently the family knew from about then, don't you think? Sadly, it may have been the way she died that . . . well, just speculation but to know that outcome for a child must be devastating.

Yes, I definitely share your thoughts. Assuming Mr V didn't have any ailments that might have prevented his understanding.

 

[Scotch]

I see your point on most but not with it being appropriate to wait to see if he decides to talk. That makes no sense to me. As far as the exigency, I think the Idaho case with BK was exigent and they managed to have several warrants in hand on arrest. Not just for his person (with buccal swab), but also for his car, the PA home, and the WA apartment, all executed simultaneously with the arrest and with each other.

MOO

I live in Idaho. They're pretty good about that here. Could be a different set of policies in New York.

 

[iamshadow21]

Hmmm. Good point.

MOO

Doesn't mean it's a bad theory! And doesn't mean it's not RH. I think sometimes, we get the idea that killers evolve in a straight line, when actually, they sometimes try things and end up going back to the thing the used to do (Bundy), or want to treat a particular victim a certain way that's different to the others (Ridgway, Eyler), or change things up because what was working before doesn't keep being safe or practical (Gacy, Williams, Ridgway, Corll).

Perhaps, if Cherries was a RH victim, something about her meant he went back to the water.

MOO

 

[NicMed329]

There's not necessarily anything sinister in that, people often see friends and family on holidays. But if it's a public holiday, it may also suggest time off work for a predator. (So Valentine's wouldn't count.)

MOO

If we are looking at a school calendar that’s usually around a mid winter break. Jmo.

 

[othram]

So, so thrilled about this one, @othram . You have no idea. Honestly keep having fits of happy crying.

Now let's bring ALL these people home!

MOO

On to the next case. Maybe even today...

 

[Jurisprudence]

I live in Idaho. They're pretty good about that here. Could be a different set of policies in New York.

Perhaps. But, PA. The arrest warrant came from ID; the search warrants on arrest were issued by PA court and WA court respectively.

Commonwealth v. Kohberger 682 MD 2022 | Cases of Public Interest | News & Statistics | Unified Judicial System of Pennsylvania

23577650-kohberger-warrant (warrant return is 2nd to last page)

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/isc.coi/CR29-22-2805/122922+Arrest+Warrant.pdf

 

[Megnut]

I think we'd find evidence if the dark triad. Losing his dad at 12, what impact did that have? Standard of living drop? How did the family manage? Did his mom date? Did he see that as a threat, a violation, did he have a creepy incestuous possessive Norman Bates relationship with his mom?

How many sex workers has he hired over the years, discarding certain ones in favor of a "type" which he in turn permanently discarded? Where'd that "type" come from? I'd like to compare photos of all the women in his life, at age 18-25-30. Mother, wife, second wife, high school girls, high school girl's mothers.... his utter disdain for women in violent, palpable, deadly.

That call to his former coworker is chilling. Trying to come off as natural, give me a call, something I want to run by you. Yeah, no. Just say it. State the nature of your business. It was lure-y. And gross.

Jmo

 

[fred&edna]

I saw this too and this is just completely BAFFLING to me.

Why they did not obtain a warrant to obtain his DNA via Buccal Swab on arrest is confounding. Why did they wait? They'd been tailing his for some time already at that point.

On another note, it solves the mystery surrounding the hearing #623

jmo

I agree. The fact no DNA was obtained from RH during booking is surprising... is it related to NY laws (same as the law requiring DNA only to be entered into CODIS upon conviction??). There's no way a defense attorney wouldn't fight a request for DNA swabbing of a client under these circumstances, so I'm surprised the DA wasn't ready for this and have a plan in place. I remain baffled with you about all of this.

 

[iamshadow21]

If we are looking at a school calendar that’s usually around a mid winter break. Jmo.

Okay, fair enough! Out here in Australia, Valentine's Day is like, two or three weeks into the beginning of the school year. Nobody gets that time off. (Our Summer holidays run December to January.) But our seasons are opposite to yours.

MOO

 

[Scotch]

Perhaps. But, PA. The arrest warrant came from ID; the search warrants on arrest were issued by PA court and WA court respectively.

Commonwealth v. Kohberger 682 MD 2022 | Cases of Public Interest | News & Statistics | Unified Judicial System of Pennsylvania

23577650-kohberger-warrant (warrant return is 2nd to last page)

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/isc.coi/CR29-22-2805/122922+Arrest+Warrant.pdf

I understand that, but ID obviously worked with PA to ensure that happened. And when I say ID, I mean all agencies involved with the ID investigation. Assisting agencies work closely with the investigating agencies and in that case they were prepared. I don't know what NY's policies are regarding the application for a search warrant for DNA. Are you suggesting some other reason for NY delaying?

 

[x_files]

She looks most like Amber to me, perhaps because of her dark hair and long nose.

MOO

Are they both Italian girls?

 

[x_files]

I think we'd find evidence if the dark triad. Losing his dad at 12, what impact did that have? Standard of living drop? How did the family manage? Did his mom date? Did he see that as a threat, a violation, did he have a creepy incestuous possessive Norman Bates relationship with his mom?

How many sex workers has he hired over the years, discarding certain ones in favor of a "type" which he in turn permanently discarded? Where'd that "type" come from? I'd like to compare photos of all the women in his life, at age 18-25-30. Mother, wife, second wife, high school girls, high school girl's mothers.... his utter disdain for women in violent, palpable, deadly.

That call to his former coworker is chilling. Trying to come off as natural, give me a call, something I want to run by you. Yeah, no. Just say it. State the nature of your business. It was lure-y. And gross.

Jmo

"That call to his former coworker is chilling. Trying to come off as natural, give me a call, something I want to run by you. Yeah, no. Just say it. State the nature of your business. It was lure-y. And gross."

I must have missed this info. What did he say to his co-worker? Thanks in advance.

 

[Teche]

Something about this image of Karen gives me Shannan Gilbert vibes. Of course, JMO

She was a beauty. So glad she has her name back.

 

[Ruminations]

Google Search

At the right age

There does seem to be a lot of "scatter." Yet, I believe it seems plausible that Rex began in his 20's.

 

[Megnut]

"That call to his former coworker is chilling. Trying to come off as natural, give me a call, something I want to run by you. Yeah, no. Just say it. State the nature of your business. It was lure-y. And gross."

I must have missed this info. What did he say to his co-worker? Thanks in advance.

Interior designer reveals Gilgo Beach suspect's voicemail

Dominique Vidal said she was in a networking organization with Rex Heuermann, who once asked her if she knew about the Gilgo Beach murders.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Video/audio at link.

 

[iamshadow21]

Are they both Italian girls?

According to Google, Costello is an Irish name, not Italian. I have no idea if Amber has Italian heritage from elsewhere, though.

Google says Vergata is Italian in origin.

MOO

 

[Ruminations]

"That call to his former coworker is chilling. Trying to come off as natural, give me a call, something I want to run by you. Yeah, no. Just say it. State the nature of your business. It was lure-y. And gross."

I must have missed this info. What did he say to his co-worker? Thanks in advance.

It was even worse than paraphrased. I want to touch base, and if you do, too, call. Very thinly veiled as a colleague call.

MOO