Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023 #7

[iamshadow21]

I have read an articles postulating that Ted Bundy had bipolar disorder, and his last stint during which he was caught was an episode of mania. Can’t positively comment, but it solidifies my feeling that keeping SKs alive and studying them makes more sense than DP. About Israel Keyes I am almost positive he had some bipolarity. No one pushed him to talk about all his “feats”. It is as if after arrest, he became so impulsively talkative that he simply couldn’t keep it inside, and it accelerated and then, culminated in suicide. A very disorganized episode in the life of a highly organized killer, what does it imply?

So I wonder whether SKs make mistakes not as they get older, nor “towards the end” of their careers, but whether they are cyclical in their behavioral patterns, and make mistakes during especially bad episodes. It makes sense to me as most SKs I read about are people of high control, and episodes of total dyscontrol intercalating in their behavior might indicate some emotional imbalance.

One article that I read, about the seasonality of human behaviors, when suicidal peak falls on spring and homicidal - on summer, points the need to study the “killing patterns” of SKs depending on the seasons, and whether the level of their organization changes with the seasons, too.

Was Ted Bundy Diagnosed With A Mental Illness? | Oxygen

Ted Bundy is one of the most well-known serial killers in the history of America. Known as much for his horrific crimes — he killed more than 30 people that investigators know of — as his allegedly charming demeanor, Bundy remains an oft-examined figure in the world of true crime.

www.oxygen.com

This article raises more questions than answers but is also deeper

The Making and the Breaking of the Serial Killer

What kinds of factors make and break the serial killer? A look at Conduct Disorder, addiction, and the frontal lobes of psychopaths could hold some answers.

www.psychologytoday.com

Well, the 'bipolar disorder' dx for Bundy came from Dorothy Otnow Lewis, and everyone who followed Gannon's trial knows EXACTLY how much validity they should give anything coming from her.

MOO

 

[iamshadow21]

how can they suddenly be identifying all the victims? omigod this is so weird..what if it's from evidence found in the house or something?

They have been working on identification for these Does since the new team took over. They are being identified NOW because he's in prison. He's not going to get scared and hop on a plane to the Bahamas because the team is getting closer to him. We know Karen Vergata's ID was confirmed in NOVEMBER. They just held off on a public announcement until now.

MOO

 

[imstilla.grandma]

At the same time, Americans have adopted more cautious habits in their everyday lives — hitchhiking, for example, is less common, and children are driven to and from school. That reduces easy targets. And, some theorize, those bent on killing now opt for spectacular mass murders.

“The ‘perfect crime’ concept is more of a concept than it ever has been before,” said Adam Scott Wandt, an assistant professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice.

Twilight of the Serial Killer: Cases Like Gilgo Beach Become Ever Rarer

Rex Heuermann, the meticulous architectural consultant who authorities say murdered three women and buried them on a Long Island beach more than a decade ago, may have been among the last of the dying breed of American serial killers. Even as serial killers came to inhabit a central place in the...

news.yahoo.com

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Seems like the SK’s I’ve read about are diagnosed with schizophrenia, borderline personality disorder and an array of personality disorders, such as antisocial, psychopathy, sociopathy.

 

[Charlot123]

I'm wary.

I do see a moral and ethical rationale for justifying the study of cancers and other physical diseases in the interest of curing or at least providing more effective treatment or analysing actual treatment received.

I cannot subscribe to the removal of brains from evil people.
serial killers are not a homogeneous group.
No more than thieves or angry people in general..

I'm interested in the genre of it.. and I do believe in the phenomena of copycat killings, these are credible and evidence backed.
Brain disease and mental illness is best left in the hands of the psychiatric community.

jMO

There are tons of non-invasive things. Some of them random people pay $$$$$ to get into (e.g., PET scanners). This is what I was thinking of.

The rest I am not getting into because my approach is, prevention.

 

[Charlot123]

Does anyone know if any of the victims connected to RH and those he's not been connected to were HIV positive?

Super interesting question.

Here is a tad about the history of HIV treatment.

The History of HIV Treatment: Antiretroviral Therapy and More

AIDS, the disease caused by HIV, first emerged in the U.S. in the early 1980s. Since then, advances in HIV treatment has turned it from a deadly infection to a lifelong condition that can be managed.

www.webmd.com

So between 1995 when AIDS was still deadly and 1997-98 when people started surviving on the "cocktails" and their viral loads became negligible, there lies a huge gap.

We don't know when RH got into SWs and killing them. If after 1997 (because "cocktails" would not be mainstay among SW in 1996 yet), then yes, he'd have a chance of getting the virus and with treatment, have negligible viral load and a normal life. But hating SWs like GRK hated them, allegedly for STD GRK got when stationed in the military abroad.

If before 1996, then the situation could be very bleak for him personally.

However, AIDS changed a lot in the behaviors of communities, made everyone more conservative, including their sex life. Would it be reasonable to assume that as a smart person, RH either didn't go after SWs in early 90es, or if he did, at least it would be with protection?

Could we assume that presence of AIDS in early 90es could be the containing factor for RH in general?

 

[kittythehare]

There are tons of non-invasive things. Some of them random people pay $$$$$ to get into (e.g., PET scanners). This is what I was thinking of.

The rest I am not getting into because my approach is, prevention.

Dehumanisation is my fear.
They are criminals and murderers, there is a justice system which mostly works very well in USA.
What do we do to ourselves when we reduce them to experiments?

Some things cannot be prevented as you know. Some problems are organic in nature... it's not possible.

I don't know why RH did what he allegedly did.

I don't see him doing well in a general prison population, he'll drive everyone nuts with his huge ego and overbearing manner. I don't care about his welfare at all. Not my monkeys.
I'll try not to take pleasure out of hearing things go badly for him which they will. but I will not feel compassion for him. And I am a complete sucker for a hard story.

 

[kittythehare]

Seems like the SK’s I’ve read about are diagnosed with schizophrenia, borderline personality disorder and an array of personality disorders, such as antisocial, psychopathy, sociopathy.

A lot of them don't need diagnosing, they are nasty greedy cruel sadistic humans that enjoy inflicting pain on others.
Entitlement and Ego.

 

[Vpq]

thanks so much for the 'boots on the ground' perspective
those woods look very creepy to be walking alone in ...

Thank you. Those pictures show how scary the encounter would be. They should search the area.

 

[Warwick7]

Well, the 'bipolar disorder' dx for Bundy came from Dorothy Otnow Lewis, and everyone who followed Gannon's trial knows EXACTLY how much validity they should give anything coming from her.

MOO

omg! You are right...
*as I slapt my palm on my forehead*

 

[sds71]

Geraldine Hart, who became Suffolk’s first female police commissioner in 2018, made a crucial decision that helped steer the wayward murder probe toward Heuermann. A former agent in the FBI’s Long Island office, Hart dropped the old macho stance of going it alone and asked federal investigators for help.

“Coming in from the outside as the first female commissioner was a difficult thing,” recalled former Suffolk chief of department Stuart Cameron, now village police chief in Old Westbury, “but she was always very professional and dedicated to law enforcement.”

In 2020, Hart set up a Gilgo-related website and released the image of a belt buckle previously found by police, a bold attempt to reinvigorate the stalled investigation. Under Hart, a cutting-edge DNA technique called genetic genealogy helped confirm one of the unidentified victims, Valerie Mack, considered a major breakthrough.

Hart made sure the Suffolk police’s attitude toward the female victims was far different from that of a senior detective who declared in 2011 that it was a “consolation” to the public that they were only prostitutes. Eventually in 2021, Hart left Suffolk to become Hofstra University’s director of public safety…


As often in such a complex, highly publicized probe, many are taking a bow, including those who should be properly credited like Suffolk Police Commissioner Rodney Harrison and DA Ray Tierney, as well as FBI and New York State police investigators.

But in the recounting of how this murder mystery was solved, leading to Heuermann’s arrest, Hart should not be forgotten.

Give former police commish Hart some credit for Gilgo murders arrest

Suffolk's first female police commissioner made the key decision to call in the FBI.

www.newsday.com

 

[Just K]

A few more pictures of Massapequa Park (my own from today 8/6/13).

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You wouldn’t find me riding or hiking there alone.

 

[DetectiveDraper]

Well, the 'bipolar disorder' dx for Bundy came from Dorothy Otnow Lewis, and everyone who followed Gannon's trial knows EXACTLY how much validity they should give anything coming from her.

MOO

As someone who is familiar with her but not the trial, where would be a good place to start in terms of reading up on her "validity"?

 

[iamshadow21]

As someone who is familiar with her but not the trial, where would be a good place to start in terms of reading up on her "validity"?

Wikipedia, then go from there? There was a documentary made about her some years ago, Crazy Not Insane. She's basically been a witness for hire for over forty years. She doesn't believe in the death penalty or in sociopathy. She is the person you get on the stand if you are a defense attorney and you have a brutal offender or serial killer who you want to portray as a sad abused child who wasn't responsible for their actions. It very rarely works, and in certain cases, especially in Gannon's trial, her performance on the stand probably just made the trial outcome more certain rather than providing a mitigating factor in the eyes of the jury. She is in her late eighties now, and I would hope that her appearance in Gannon's trial would be her last. I would hope that by the time RH comes to trial, there is absolutely no possibility for her to speak for him even if they want her to.

In terms of her validity, her views have always been fringe, she hasn't published anything peer reviewed since the eighties, and even then, the methods she used to support her assertions were questioned. In Gannon's trial, the contrast between the state psych witnesses and Lewis was stark. The state witnesses laid out the testing that was done, the specific ways they handle a patient who has reason to be deceptive with them and how they safeguard against that. Lewis, it was completely the opposite. They had video excerpts of her interviews with the defendant, LS, that they played for the jury... the video spoke for itself.

MOO

 

[dotr]

''Aug 3, 2023 Law&Crime Sidebar Podcast
Asa Ellerup’s world has been turned upside down since her husband — Rex Heuermann — was arrested for the murders of three New York women. Their bodies were found scattered along Gilgo Beach in Long Island several years ago. The Law&Crime Network’s Angenette Levy spoke with Ellerup’s attorney — Robert Macedonio — about her life before the arrest and how everything’s changed.''

 

[Momoffourboys]

This coming Sunday 8/13

The Long Island Serial Killer: Special Report

https://twitter.com/x/status/1688339307042385921

 

[Friday13]

You wouldn’t find me riding or hiking there alone.

There is a wooded trail on the north shore of LI that I used to walk through alone. There’s a beautiful spot with a long dock on a pond, very secluded and one day I was there alone just admiring the view and a man came by saying how pretty it was and also looked at me and said “this is a great place to hide a body”…. I hightailed it outta there and never went back alone! It gave me the creeps enough to avoid that spot for a long time!

 

[iamshadow21]

There is a wooded trail on the north shore of LI that I used to walk through alone. There’s a beautiful spot with a long dock on a pond, very secluded and one day I was there alone just admiring the view and a man came by saying how pretty it was and also looked at me and said “this is a great place to hide a body”…. I hightailed it outta there and never went back alone! It gave me the creeps enough to avoid that spot for a long time!

It's a hard thing for those of use who love solitude and wild places but also walk through the world with the perceived vulnerability of being or appearing female. I used to walk for my health, daily, in the remote village I lived in for years. Only a couple of dozen people lived there, and the walks I took wound through bushland that was dizzying with the white trunks of eucalypts, and deceptively deadly with the hidden mouths of hundred year old mineshafts. I regularly walked up to 8km without seeing another soul. I rarely felt unsafe there, even though if I'd gone missing, I would have been easily 'disappeared'. It was once I moved back to the 'big smoke' that I stopped walking like that. I felt more frightened walking the loop of the roads in my suburb surrounded by hundreds of people and constant car traffic, and the unforgiving cement paths were more damaging to my body than the slick clay mud and rolling sharp rocks and boulders ever were. I was probably just fortunate that nobody in village bore me ill will, or watched me with murder in their heart. I certainly would have been alone and without help if anyone stumbled across me out there, whereas, for all that the tale of Kitty Genovese and others like her tell us of how alone we are surrounded by other humans, at least in a city the potential for rescue exists.

The difference, as always, is that for that man you met, it was probably just an observation that amused but did not alarm him, whereas for many of the rest of us, the possibility of being murdered by a stranger and left in the woods is something we are conditioned to and braced for the potential of from a very early age. And we know that the person who can do such a thing doesn't have to look like a cartoon villain - most of the time they look and act like a normal person. RH looks exactly like I expected him to, if I'm honest. A middle aged architect with grooming and dress stuck in the seventies to early eighties. Unremarkable. Tall, yes, but I have men in my extended family almost as tall, if not quite as large with it.

MOO

 

[CuriousCricket]

There is a wooded trail on the north shore of LI that I used to walk through alone. There’s a beautiful spot with a long dock on a pond, very secluded and one day I was there alone just admiring the view and a man came by saying how pretty it was and also looked at me and said “this is a great place to hide a body”…. I hightailed it outta there and never went back alone! It gave me the creeps enough to avoid that spot for a long time!

Wonder if that spot needs to be pointed out to LE? He may just have enjoyed watching you scramble or he may have just been stating fact.

 

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