Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023 #7

[Mzsnazzi]

See, I think so too. That’s why I asked. I had thought I’d read that with his hoarding he must be a disorganized but the more I read, the more organized I think he is. Could he be a blend?

His wife could have been the hoarder and perhaps he overlooked it so she didn’t bother him with any of his “issues”.

It does seem that he is definitely organized when it comes to these murders, unless he is being framed from a known corrupt Suffolk county

 

[Ruminations]

Because if could be a motive or what made him start killing to begin with, along with other issues like narcissism or sociopathy.

Hmmm. I don't think he'd have any way of knowing what viruses they might sport. And I think the biggest HIV haters took that out on gay men, partly since it is much easier for men to give the virus to others of either gender than for women to give it to men.

(Not that it is very difficult for women to give it to men; wear your condoms, please!)

Not to say you're wrong. Maybe this theory isn't clicking with me because, if the allegations pan out, I think he just hates women and feels compelled and entitled to kill them.

MOO

 

[kittythehare]

I dug up a few papers on serial killers and their motivations, if anybody is interested?

https://thekeep.eiu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4722&context=theses

https://scholars.wlu.ca/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3101&context=etd

https://jmvr.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/A-Rose-by-Any-Other-Name-Problems-in-Defining-and-Conceptualising-Serial-Murder-with-a-New-Proposed-Definition-Petherick-et-al..pdf

https://www.sagepub.com/sites/default/files/upm-binaries/94240_Chapter_7__Serial_Killers.pdf

'Although serial murder has been loosely described as. “motiveless,” there is indeed one motive—to satisfy an intense appetite for sadism, power, and control.'

 

[kittythehare]

Serial killing in schizophrenia

Serial criminality, although rare, has always aroused the interest of researchers in criminology, psychiatry, psychology, and sociology. We report the case of a patient, suffering from a chronic psychotic disorder, having committed several murders over ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

inspire the most appalling of successful “thrillers.” Reading the clinical stories of the murderers often reveals absurd, horrific, monstrous, and incomprehensible homicides. They are often out of proportion to the avowed causes, or even without apparent motive.

e of the most common classifications that are widely used by the Federal Bureau of Investigation is the one proposed in 1980 by Hazelwood and Douglas 1 and which differentiates between organized killers and disorganized. “The organized killer is an egocentric, amoral and manipulative individual who methodically commits his murderous crimes,” versus “the disorganized killer is a lonely individual, experiencing feelings of rejection, committing murderous acts out of opportunity.” Bénézech 2 presents a dichotomy of serial killers in relation to rational and psychopathological motivations. He differentiates schematically between the psychopathic murderer and the psychotic murderer, yet this taxonomy is only indicative of the fact that some criminals fall in between.

 

[Ruminations]

I dug up a few papers on serial killers and their motivations, if anybody is interested?

https://thekeep.eiu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4722&context=theses

https://scholars.wlu.ca/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3101&context=etd

https://jmvr.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/A-Rose-by-Any-Other-Name-Problems-in-Defining-and-Conceptualising-Serial-Murder-with-a-New-Proposed-Definition-Petherick-et-al..pdf

https://www.sagepub.com/sites/default/files/upm-binaries/94240_Chapter_7__Serial_Killers.pdf

'Although serial murder has been loosely described as. “motiveless,” there is indeed one motive—to satisfy an intense appetite for sadism, power, and control.'

A lot of times I think it is over-posited that serial killers target sex workers because they are sex workers. I think someone here even wondered at their keyboard if Rex's mom turned to sex work. (Not to poke fun, and it could be correct but) it seems more likely that, if Rex's mom was a factor, she was part of his targeting females. And females in sex work are more vulnerable and available than females who are not.

MOO

 

[LadyL]

I think it was a legitimate question, and certainly not meant to gawk at the family, nor victim blame.

After seeing the original question, "Why would the adult children need an attorney?", it prompted me to do a bit of googling.

In most states, there is no parent-child priviledge if one is called to testify against the other.

Only a few states recognize some form of parent-child privilege -- Connecticut, Idaho, Massachusetts, Minnesota (by statute) and New York (by judicial ruling).

So, it is possible and now makes sense that this would likely be one of many reasons why the adult children have retained an attorney. JMO.


Exerpt BBM from:

https://practice.findlaw.com/practice-guide/is-there-a-parent-child-evidentiary-privilege-.html

this never even occurred to me
how sad for them
cause they don't have enough to deal with

 

[Ruminations]

this never even occurred to me
how sad for them
cause they don't have enough to deal with

Right. The most likely, most healthy, intentions for the family members would be to survive emotionally, AND help LE catch the killer(s) in any way possible, AND promote the most just legal outcome for your accused family member who is still under the presumption of innocence. An attorney could help someone achieve that balance.

They have so much heaped on them, and it probably all was served at once. I can't imagine.

MOO

Edited to add: talk about a complicated divorce!

 

[Scotch]

And females in sex work are more vulnerable and available than females who are not.

Agreed. Add to that the stigma society and law enforcement tend to place on SWs and it creates the perfect storm. Women who are afraid to go to the police or ask for help, women who are willing to place themselves in vulnerable situations because they need to make money, a large pool of willing participants, and the right one happens to closely, or perfectly fit the profile the SK is looking for. The Internet has sadly made it extremely easy for the SK in exchange for a minimum of effort in targeting the right one.

 

[Warwick7]

The only thing I'd caution is a lot of the reporting on Shannan's last morning seen a live comes from Pak's account. Since Kolker was ahead of a lot of sleuths and depositions, he gives Pak's statements more credibility than warranted.

It's an excellent book, and humanizes victims well.

MOO

This is worth repeating.

"the reporting on Shannan's last morning seen a live comes from Pak's account."

 

[imstilla.grandma]

His wife could have been the hoarder and perhaps he overlooked it so she didn’t bother him with any of his “issues”.

It does seem that he is definitely organized when it comes to these murders, unless he is being framed from a known corrupt Suffolk county

Could the lifelong lifestyle hoarding habits of his spouse be a source of disagreements between them? Were his specific work areas organized and clutter free? Were these areas the only control he had in his household? Did he devise and outsource a way to gain back control? Total control of these women.

 

[Jurisprudence]

They don't. MOO
I am 1/2 way through his deposition and each time I compare the 911 call to what I am reading, I shake my head.

I haven't finished it yet either but from what I have read through so far, I agree.

jmo

 

[minazoe]

According to Josh Zeman from The Killing Season, it sounds like Peaches and her baby may be identified! More info may be released in two weeks

Skip to the 3 minute mark

how can they suddenly be identifying all the victims? omigod this is so weird..what if it's from evidence found in the house or something?

 

[imstilla.grandma]

“Did all the serial killers get together and say, ‘hey, we’re gonna dump remains on Gilgo Beach.’ How many serial killers can there be on one small stretch of beach?”

Grace pointed out that the area is “a natural place to go, if you know the New York area, to get rid of a body.”

“But it has to be a local to know that particular stretch,” she said.

“It’s not over yet,” she said. “Whether they are ever found or not found, there are other bodies in other locations — such as South Carolina and Vegas — where he frequents.”

Heuermann owns a timeshare in Las Vegas and has property in South Carolina, where he said he intended to retire.

Grace also discussed the prosecution’s request for a DNA sample from Heuermann, one they’d like to take on video and with witnesses. That’s perfectly normal, said Grace, a former prosecutor, noting that the process would prove the DNA was Heuermann’s, “not his purported DNA off a pizza crust,” which is how investigators narrowed their suspect list to him.

“There’s no better way than to do it that way,” she said.

Nancy Grace: ‘How Many Serial Killers Can There Be on One Small Stretch of Beach?’

CrimeOnline’s Nancy Grace thinks Long Island serial killer suspect Rex Heuermann has more victims — some found and some who have yet to be found — and the most recently named victim found on Gilgo Beach may be one of them. Heuermann, 59, has been charged with the murders of three women — Amber...

www.crimeonline.com

 

[DS2021]

how can they suddenly be identifying all the victims? omigod this is so weird..what if it's from evidence found in the house or something?

They've been working peaches case since at least October, possibly longer. Karen was also identified for quite a while before it was announced publicly.

 

[Momoffourboys]

how can they suddenly be identifying all the victims? omigod this is so weird..what if it's from evidence found in the house or something?

New DA. New commissioner. Feds allowed in (finally). No one covering their behind to protect themselves. Nothing weird. Just what should have been done years ago.

 

[Ursamajr]

It's just me, coming to you with some more boots-on-the-ground reporting...

I've been out on LI helping my elderly parents out with some stuff and took a little break to do some geocaching in Massapequa Park today. I haven't gone over there in a few years and it's far more overgrown than my brain remembered. I checked out Brady Park (where the woman who claims she was accosted on July 3rd by RH started her bike ride) and found an area that fits the “He had very dirty clothes on. He popped right out of the woods. Everywhere I went in the woods he would pop out somewhere,” description. It's where a few paved paths and dirt trails converge and a person could easily go unseen just feet away from the paths and "pop out" at you easily from multiple points and directions.

If the woman is correct, and the dirt smudged person who accosted her was Heuermann, my theory is that he was in these woods either scoping out a location for future "endeavors" or he was visiting something from his collection. There is an entrance to the park just down the street from his front door.

I would be shocked if Nassau/Suffolk/State PD would spend the money to have any cadaver dogs canvass this area. I'm taking a guess and going to say it's just not happening. Luckily (sarcasm), I already have chronic Lyme's Disease so I'm not afraid of ticks. I will bushwack and explore the area more in the near future once the dog days of summer pass.

Just want to add: I did not drive by the house out of respect for those still living there.

All pictures are my own.

 

[vls12345]

It's just me, coming to you with some more boots-on-the-ground reporting...

I've been out on LI helping my elderly parents out with some stuff and took a little break to do some geocaching in Massapequa Park today. I haven't gone over there in a few years and it's far more overgrown than my brain remembered. I checked out Brady Park (where the woman who claims she was accosted on July 3rd by RH started her bike ride) and found an area that fits the “He had very dirty clothes on. He popped right out of the woods. Everywhere I went in the woods he would pop out somewhere,” description. It's where a few paved paths and dirt trails converge and a person could easily go unseen just feet away from the paths and "pop out" at you easily from multiple points and directions.

If the woman is correct, and the dirt smudged person who accosted her was Heuermann, my theory is that he was in these woods either scoping out a location for future "endeavors" or he was visiting something from his collection. There is an entrance to the park just down the street from his front door.

I would be shocked if Nassau/Suffolk/State PD would spend the money to have any cadaver dogs canvass this area. I'm taking a guess and going to say It's just not happening. Luckily (sarcasm), I already have chronic Lyme's Disease so I'm not afraid of ticks. I will bushwack and explore the area more in the near future once the dog days of summer pass.

Just want to add: I did not drive by the house out of respect for those still living there.

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Wow. Thanks for the report and photos. That is much more overgrown and wooded than I expected.

 

[Ursamajr]

A few more pictures of Massapequa Park (my own from today 8/6/13).

 

[Sillybilly]

They don't r


I find Pak and Brewer to be inconsistent with themselves and each other. Pretty astonishing being that it was a night that they lived, and had to replay again and again in their minds considering that a woman was last seen alive then.

The stories about the blood-curdling scream are not consistent with each other. And their behavior- silence- is ridiculous if they're motives were innocent. Ordinary people would spring into action and possibly restrain her then, not to hurt her but to help her if she were really screaming at nothing.

MOO

Old post of mine where MP gets fuzzy with his own different versions:

Possible Victim: Shannan Gilbert

I don't disagree. That has no bearing on Mari exploiting her children and exposing them to terrible things. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N910A using Tapatalk Mari's history has no bearing on the LAZY det's in the missing persons squad

www.websleuths.com

(Can't find the source right now for the info as per Pak about SG being in the kitchen but will keep looking for it and post if/when I find it.)

 

[kittythehare]

It's just me, coming to you with some more boots-on-the-ground reporting...

I've been out on LI helping my elderly parents out with some stuff and took a little break to do some geocaching in Massapequa Park today. I haven't gone over there in a few years and it's far more overgrown than my brain remembered. I checked out Brady Park (where the woman who claims she was accosted on July 3rd by RH started her bike ride) and found an area that fits the “He had very dirty clothes on. He popped right out of the woods. Everywhere I went in the woods he would pop out somewhere,” description. It's where a few paved paths and dirt trails converge and a person could easily go unseen just feet away from the paths and "pop out" at you easily from multiple points and directions.

If the woman is correct, and the dirt smudged person who accosted her was Heuermann, my theory is that he was in these woods either scoping out a location for future "endeavors" or he was visiting something from his collection. There is an entrance to the park just down the street from his front door.

I would be shocked if Nassau/Suffolk/State PD would spend the money to have any cadaver dogs canvass this area. I'm taking a guess and going to say it's just not happening. Luckily (sarcasm), I already have chronic Lyme's Disease so I'm not afraid of ticks. I will bushwack and explore the area more in the near future once the dog days of summer pass.

Just want to add: I did not drive by the house out of respect for those still living there.

Great work and thank you for doing it.
Makes a massive difference to be able to actually see it all.