Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023 #7

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I'm not cynical about it; it's in their probably cause affadavit. They've sworn to it.

Oh, I understand that. I’m very pro-LE.

However, how many times have we seen alibis accepted and “proven,” and said alibis are later found to be untrue?

Yes, RH’s wife’s hair found with the victims can have a simple and credible explanation.

Perhaps cynical was a stronger word than I mean. I’m just a tad unsettled by it.

RH’s wife and children are victims at this time.
 

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Where are you accessing the depos? I’m wondering if I read a condensed version of the bail doc because I don’t remember depos. But I would be very interested in reading them, especially those related to Shannon. Thank you.
 
Since it was Ray, I assume this was a deposition for a civil (monetary) action? In other words, this isn't Pak being interviewed by law enforcement?
Correct. The deposition was by Ray in regards to the Gilbert civil suit. It is sworn testimony. One thing discussed was that Pak was interviewed by LE.

Pak said he was given a polygraph twice on the same day with the same questions several hours apart. He said LE told him they couldn't use the first one because he fell asleep, making it unusable. He said he asked how he did, and an LE person replied, "You know how you did." That was how Pak came to the conclusion that he "Passed with flying colors," as he later said. Pak said the LE person was smiling when they said "You know how you did," so he concluded they were telling him he passed.

MOO
 
Most feet found in waterways aren't due to dismemberments. When a body decomposes, the ankle comes apart fairly early, and most modern shoes are composed of foam rubber and plastic, so they float.


What an eerie little tid-bit of information that is. Interesting though!
 
Since it was Ray, I assume this was a deposition for a civil (monetary) action? In other words, this isn't Pak being interviewed by law enforcement?

Shannan's family couldn't get anywhere with LE... John Ray was the only hope. I believe it was Officer Portello that told Ray the only way he'd give him SG's 911 call recording would be over his dead body.
 
His expertise was in expediting projects through arcane city building codes rather than in architectural design. Ginia Bellafante, writing for The New York Times, examined how Heuermann exerted influence in the tonier townhouses of Brooklyn, where architects of more visible prestige would need his help shepherding through their wealthy clients’ renovations. “As a journeyman who held bureaucratic authority, he could veto the plans of architects with degrees from Yale and projects in Nantucket.” Mary Shell, an employee of his around the time of the murders, wrote in New York that “his office was mostly staffed by women like myself, young and petite, the girl-next-door type” and that “whether or not he had any real political clout, he believed he did and tried to convince others that he did, too.”

Niv Miyasato, a designer who worked with Heuermann starting in the ’90s and shared office space with him in the early 2000s, described to me a similar picture of his workaday life. “He did what he needed to do,” Miyasoto said, referring to Heuermann’s work as a building code compliance consultant. “He certainly communicated with all of us on a regular basis that he was an expert at that.” He found Heuermann a bit awkward but didn’t think much of it at the time. More striking, Miyasoto said, was that Heuermann seemed to him like a doomsday prepper: “He talked about his hunting, and would maybe occasionally drop things like, Well, you never know what’s going to happen. ‘You gotta be prepared’ kind of stuff.”
 
Since it was Ray, I assume this was a deposition for a civil (monetary) action? In other words, this isn't Pak being interviewed by law enforcement?
Respectfully, does it matter? Either way, this was his opportunity to tell the truth, yet tells terrible inconsistencies.
 
Shannan's family couldn't get anywhere with LE... John Ray was the only hope. I believe it was Officer Portello that told Ray the only way he'd give him SG's 911 call recording would be over his dead body.
That begs the question, is Portello dead?

 
Thanks again. It’s interesting that the 59th Street Bridge is coming up in Pak’s depo as where he picked up Shannon and then a couple of days later, he was told to pick up another escort there. 59th Street Bridge was also mentioned a few times in the RH bail doc relating to cell pings, if I’m remembering right. I suppose this is a popular spot for escorts to be picked up from. Another ”coincidence“ between Shannon and the G4. I apologize if what’s new info to me is redundant to others.

also interesting that Pak says he was convicted in 2003/4 of “misusing a passport“ to help an Asian male illegally enter the country. I’m having a hard time not letting my imagination jump to conclusions. I do hope someone is looking into any connections to RH.
 
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Two questions: is Harvard Lawyer Lee an approved source?

And, even if the answer is "no," has the point she brought up been discussed, specifically that the SC search warrant specifically states that LE wishes to search for evidence related to murder 1, murder 2, some patronizing a prostitute charge, and - conspiracy- to commit the above crimes.

She pointed out that conspiracy means another person is involved.

She satisfied herself that the document was likely genuine. She thought it possible but unlikely it was there by accident. She also considered that LE could have put it in just in case there is another working with him that they discover in the future.

She noticed that "crimes" was plural, so it didn't simply mean that another person was involved in the patronizing a prostitute and no other crime.

It is intriguing.

MOO
 
Wonder if that spot needs to be pointed out to LE? He may just have enjoyed watching you scramble or he may have just been stating fact.
My gut told me he was innocently making a joke…..it is an area many people have joked around about as being the perfect place to dump a body being it’s so secluded, desolate and heavily wooded, but it scared the you-know-what out of me! He probably didn’t even think how it could be perceived.
 
His expertise was in expediting projects through arcane city building codes rather than in architectural design. Ginia Bellafante, writing for The New York Times, examined how Heuermann exerted influence in the tonier townhouses of Brooklyn, where architects of more visible prestige would need his help shepherding through their wealthy clients’ renovations. “As a journeyman who held bureaucratic authority, he could veto the plans of architects with degrees from Yale and projects in Nantucket.” Mary Shell, an employee of his around the time of the murders, wrote in New York that “his office was mostly staffed by women like myself, young and petite, the girl-next-door type” and that “whether or not he had any real political clout, he believed he did and tried to convince others that he did, too.”

Niv Miyasato, a designer who worked with Heuermann starting in the ’90s and shared office space with him in the early 2000s, described to me a similar picture of his workaday life. “He did what he needed to do,” Miyasoto said, referring to Heuermann’s work as a building code compliance consultant. “He certainly communicated with all of us on a regular basis that he was an expert at that.” He found Heuermann a bit awkward but didn’t think much of it at the time. More striking, Miyasoto said, was that Heuermann seemed to him like a doomsday prepper: “He talked about his hunting, and would maybe occasionally drop things like, Well, you never know what’s going to happen. ‘You gotta be prepared’ kind of stuff.”

BBM... I knew it! I previously thought the land down in SC needed a look through and now I REALLY hope it gets one.
 
Is the term LISK meant to directly identify RH (basically anyone who was the perp in the GB4), or does LISK encompass the entirety of the murders on LI, including peaches, cherries, Karen, etc?

I ask because I know there’s debate about whether RH is responsible for just the gb4, a few more, or all of them. Othram wrote that Karen was the earliest known victim of LISK, so I am a little confused.

Or are we all unsure because we don’t know enough about RH and his possible crimes.
My son and I had a conversation about this when RH was arrested. It's not funny but it was funny that if there are multiple killers attributed to Gilgo, how dangerous that must be for all to never bump into each other? It must have made some people very nervous back in 2010 when all the bodies were initially recovered from the beach.
 
Wikipedia, then go from there? There was a documentary made about her some years ago, Crazy Not Insane. She's basically been a witness for hire for over forty years. She doesn't believe in the death penalty or in sociopathy. She is the person you get on the stand if you are a defense attorney and you have a brutal offender or serial killer who you want to portray as a sad abused child who wasn't responsible for their actions. It very rarely works, and in certain cases, especially in Gannon's trial, her performance on the stand probably just made the trial outcome more certain rather than providing a mitigating factor in the eyes of the jury. She is in her late eighties now, and I would hope that her appearance in Gannon's trial would be her last. I would hope that by the time RH comes to trial, there is absolutely no possibility for her to speak for him even if they want her to.

In terms of her validity, her views have always been fringe, she hasn't published anything peer reviewed since the eighties, and even then, the methods she used to support her assertions were questioned. In Gannon's trial, the contrast between the state psych witnesses and Lewis was stark. The state witnesses laid out the testing that was done, the specific ways they handle a patient who has reason to be deceptive with them and how they safeguard against that. Lewis, it was completely the opposite. They had video excerpts of her interviews with the defendant, LS, that they played for the jury... the video spoke for itself.

MOO
It’s eye-opening to watch her on the expert opinion for Leticia Stauch’s trial. DL was horrid. Her interaction with the judge was unbelievably unprofessional. After seeing her testimony, I bet lawyers are reviewing cases where she provided testimony.
 
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