Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023 #7

[investigatefred]

I think I was watching this last night on News Nation and I have not listened to the recording yet but I didn't like her saying that Shannon was out of it...now Im going to listen to it myself. I believe that she was stalked and murdered by Rex.
wether she was high or not has nothing to do with it. Park had a legitimate reason to be there and look for her..he was her
driver, so my best intuition tells me that Shannon couldn't figure out what was going on..was paranoid that Park and some other dude "they" were stalking her and going to kill her..when really it was just Pax looking for her while Rex was stalking her around those homes and coming out of nowhere and chasing her in his vehicle.

I don't know why Rex was there maybe he goes out at night and drives around the old girl garden..but I don't believe for a moment Shannon is not part of this. mOO

IMO, Rex didn't kill Shannan, however I do feel someone within the confines of Oak Beach did. It is a gated community, so unless Rex was an invited guest of someone living there, he couldn't have gotten past the gate to drive in to stalk her.

 

[Dhighsmith]

Which leads one to ask "why is the defense team making this point while telling the judge that he doesn't want Rex to give the buccal swab?"

ETA: I've been following some trials the last few years where DNA is a big part of the evidence. Defense attorneys always make these kinds of strange arguments. JMO, it serves 2 purposes: 1. to confuse the public/potential jury pool and 2. to establish some kind of grounds to make an appeal at a later date. JMO

Agree. It’s almost impossible to argue against DNA results except to claim failure to comply with proper procedures. Silly thought I know but hope we don’t discover sometime in the future DNA is not reliable as the woman who claimed development of a single blood test for medical diagnosis in illnesses- she’s now behind bars for her fraud.

 

[iamshadow21]

Agree. It’s almost impossible to argue against DNA results except to claim failure to comply with proper procedures. Silly thought I know but hope we don’t discover sometime in the future DNA is not reliable as the woman who claimed development of a single blood test for medical diagnosis in illnesses- she’s now behind bars for her fraud.

Hence why it's important that everything is documented at every stage - collection, processing, interpretation. What they did, how they did it, how they arrived at the result they did. They're going to be asked on the stand to show their work, so they'd better be able to.

She's behind bars for fraud because the idea she had was never viable, they never made it work, they fabricated evidence to support their claim it did work, and they took money from a lot of people including the government to 'build' it when they never built anything. I don't think you can compare Elizabeth Holmes and her smoke and mirrors with almost forty years of forensic science using DNA, when what Holmes did was essentially just a modern version of a classic scam that has fleeced many a person of their cash in the last few centuries. (Silver mine, anyone? I can get you in on the ground floor. )

Don't get me wrong, ANY science can be misused or held up as proof of something it isn't. But there are few things so closely examined as DNA in forensic science right now, except perhaps electronic data interpretation. I don't see DNA falling from grace as hard and fast as Theranos in my lifetime, if ever. There's a good reason it's compared to fingerprints, after all, and fingerprints are still solid after a century of being used to solve crimes and identify people.

MOO

 

[SonsOfCain]

A full investigation will necessarily uncover formerly suppressed information, I think.
As this will have to involve Suffolk county players are they prepared to do further naming and shaming or allow sleeping dogs to lay?

I'm not sure how committed they are.

My own suspicions are that rH had access to a building where he brought his victims, a room, a basement, a warehouse, a shed.. i think , speculatively that there is where the information will be.

As nothing particularly relevant appears to have been discovered at his residence there simply must be another location somewhere.

As these murders occurred while his wife was away it suggests he required a few overnight or longer stays away from his home, suggesting he possibly held them for a time before killing and disposing of them- his own personal torture chamber.

we know the dates they went missing but not the dates they died or were disposed.

Agreed. I think there was a place he brought them before he killed them too. Doing so in a car or outside would be a huge risk because someone could just drive or walk right by him. He needed privacy to commit his heinous crimes.

 

[kittythehare]

Agreed. I think there was a place he brought them before he killed them too. Doing so in a car or outside would be a huge risk because someone could just drive or walk right by him. He needed privacy to commit his heinous crimes.

Gonna be so difficult to find that place now, it might have been demolished in the interim but I imagine he has another stashed away.

He had no good reason to stop.

Where is it and how can it be found?
This guy would have had access to all kinds of places because of his work.
It could be a building connected to a building he surveyed...
where is the thing??

 

[Sjöberg]

AE has not been interviewed by police and has not been asked to speak to them.

I am very surprised about this.
I would think that talking to a spouse (morover, to a spouse who was living with serial killer and whose hair was on the victims) would be pretty high in the priority list, no? It's been quite a while now and all kinds of information has already been exchanged via media that can influence her testimony etc.

 

[margarita25]

Do we have any writing samples of RH by chance?

 

[Ruminations]

IMO, Rex didn't kill Shannan, however I do feel someone within the confines of Oak Beach did. It is a gated community, so unless Rex was an invited guest of someone living there, he couldn't have gotten past the gate to drive in to stalk her.

According to Brewer, each resident had an individual gate code. All it would take is one friend to tell Rex his/hers. Brewer supposedly attempted to share his with Pak. (They both admit this, but deny arranging the murder-date.)

I'd put my money on 1-2-3-4 working, if each home had its own code.

And the gated community was not private, shared property like a condominium. The grounds are apparently leased from a municipality and only the homes are privately owned. There is nothing illegal about entering the area.

Yet, I have not seen evidence attaching crimes against Shannan to Rex.

MOO.

 

[kittythehare]

I am very surprised about this.
I would think that talking to a spouse (morover, to a spouse who was living with serial killer and whose hair was on the victims) would be pretty high in the priority list, no? It's been quite a while now and all kinds of information has already been exchanged via media that can influence her testimony etc.

Well the dA cited her as saying
'it is what it is' when she was asked a question so that cannot be accurate.
Of course they spoke with her.

 

[Warwick7]

I think I was watching this last night on News Nation and I have not listened to the recording yet but I didn't like her saying that Shannon was out of it...now Im going to listen to it myself. I believe that she was stalked and murdered by Rex.
wether she was high or not has nothing to do with it. Park had a legitimate reason to be there and look for her..he was her
driver, so my best intuition tells me that Shannon couldn't figure out what was going on..was paranoid that Park and some other dude "they" were stalking her and going to kill her..when really it was just Pax looking for her while Rex was stalking her around those homes and coming out of nowhere and chasing her in his vehicle.

I don't know why Rex was there maybe he goes out at night and drives around the old girl garden..but I don't believe for a moment Shannon is not part of this. mOO

MOO Shannan wasn't paranoid, she had extreme fear.

John Ray, Gilbert atty says, that while there is no evidence linking Heuermann to Gilbert’s death, there is no doubt to him and the Gilbert’s family that SG was murdered by someone.

Family attorney: 'There is no doubt whatsoever that Shannan Gilbert was murdered'

Shannan Gilbert went missing in 2010. During the search, authorities stumbled upon human remains belonging to at least 18 women – most of whom were sex workers.

newjersey.news12.com

 

[Warwick7]

Robert Macedonia is AE's attorney and from all appearances so far, IMO he is doing a great job, beyond just being her attorney. He continues to show great concern for her, even went to her home this week and is working with others to try and get it fixed up so it is more liveable for the family as long as they are living there. One of his cients has donated some of those industrial bins to help with the clean up (which is badly needed), and they (including Macedonia) are trying to find some volunteers to help fix the drains to the bathtub and sinks so that AE and her children can use them. AE's attorney strikes me as a person with great empathy for her and her children.

The frown on his forehead shows his deep worry and concern for Asa and her children, IMO, and I applaud him for going well beyond his duty regarding representation of his client.


Edited to add: The client of RM who donated the bins for clean up also donated labor to help with the clean up.

Nice, sounds like the account at Macedonia's is being put to good use.
:0)

 

[margarita25]

I’m not on LinkedIn so unable to view this, can someone please copy over the info within TOS, thank you.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/rex-heuermann-465701ab

 

[margarita25]

When exactly did RH’s work website go down, do you guys know? Just curious. Tia.

https://rh-architecture.com/about

 

[imstilla.grandma]

“The assertions contained the people’s moving papers might be construed as rising to the level of a reasonable suspicion, but that is a far cry from the standard of probable cause required to justify granting the order sought be the people,” wrote Danielle Coysh, an attorney for Heuermann.

“Should the defendant’s DNA from the [cheek swab] not match the DNA profile from the pizza crusts and napkin submitted for Rex Heuermann … the defense would be presented with a potential trial defense,” Haddad wrote. “Thus, there is a clear indication that material and relevant evidence will be found and is crucial for trial.”

“The people essentially concede that they have no evidence establishing the defendant Rex A. Heuermann actually ever came into contact with the pizza crust or used napkin found in the discarded pizza box,” Coysh wrote, citing the prosecution’s assertion that Heuermann was “purported to have used or touched those items.”

Coysh added: “Thus, by the people’s own admission, the nexus between the partially eaten pizza crust and used napkin and the defendant Rex A. Heuermann is at best a matter of conjecture and assumption, not fact.”

"He's a man who's never been arrested before," Brown said previously. "He's maintained his innocence from the inception of this case. So he's doing the best he can at this point in time. And looking forward to having his day in court."

Gilgo Beach killings: Suspect Rex Heuermann's defense opposes cheek swab, court filing shows

A lawyer for Rex A. Heuermann is opposing a prosecution request to take a cheek swab from him, arguing that prosecutors have failed to demonstrate probable cause that Heuermann killed three women.

www.newsday.com

 

[imstilla.grandma]

On Oct. 10, 1991, 12-year-old Tiffany Dixon vanished after dropping off her younger cousin at an elementary school in Carroll Gardens. She never made it to her seventh-grade class several blocks away.

The online true crime site “Murder Incorporated” noted that Tiffany Dixon lived on Hart Street in Bushwick. Eight months after her disappearance, Rex Heuermann filed a request to do work on a property located at 689 Hart Street, up the block from where Dixon was living with her aunt and cousin.

Two weeks later, on Oct. 30, 1991, the body parts of a Park Slope woman, Sandra Acosta, were discovered at a weeded lot near the Gowanus section of Brooklyn. Her two hands, feet, arms and legs were found, along with her head. Her torso was never recovered.

“Somebody set out to do this,” Luz Carrion said in 1991, “not only to her but other people because there’s a lot of young girls missing, about three others. Same color hair, about the same height, weight, same area. The other girl is three blocks away from here, Tiffany.”

Luz Carrion referred to the missing Tiffany Dixon, who was never found.

Sandra Acosta was slim and petite, standing only about 4 feet eleven inches tall.

Cold cases in areas of Brooklyn linked to accused Gilgo beach killer re-examined

CARROLL GARDENS, Brooklyn (PIX11) — The disappearance of a 12-year-old girl on her way to junior high school in 1991 is getting talked about again, along with two other cold case murders that…

pix11.com

 

[ArianeEmory]

I am very surprised about this.
I would think that talking to a spouse (morover, to a spouse who was living with serial killer and whose hair was on the victims) would be pretty high in the priority list, no? It's been quite a while now and all kinds of information has already been exchanged via media that can influence her testimony etc.

I might be misunderstanding (on multiple levels), but they can’t compel her to testify against him. She also might be willing to help them but not have any viable information (being out of town during his crimes).

 

[Sundog]

I am very surprised about this.
I would think that talking to a spouse (morover, to a spouse who was living with serial killer and whose hair was on the victims) would be pretty high in the priority list, no? It's been quite a while now and all kinds of information has already been exchanged via media that can influence her testimony etc.

I wonder if the spousal privilege in law has something to do with it. LE is likely wanting to do everything by the book in this case, and being very careful.

JMO and thoughts.

 

[Ruminations]

“The assertions contained the people’s moving papers might be construed as rising to the level of a reasonable suspicion, but that is a far cry from the standard of probable cause required to justify granting the order sought be the people,” wrote Danielle Coysh, an attorney for Heuermann.

“Should the defendant’s DNA from the [cheek swab] not match the DNA profile from the pizza crusts and napkin submitted for Rex Heuermann … the defense would be presented with a potential trial defense,” Haddad wrote. “Thus, there is a clear indication that material and relevant evidence will be found and is crucial for trial.”

“The people essentially concede that they have no evidence establishing the defendant Rex A. Heuermann actually ever came into contact with the pizza crust or used napkin found in the discarded pizza box,” Coysh wrote, citing the prosecution’s assertion that Heuermann was “purported to have used or touched those items.”

Coysh added: “Thus, by the people’s own admission, the nexus between the partially eaten pizza crust and used napkin and the defendant Rex A. Heuermann is at best a matter of conjecture and assumption, not fact.”

"He's a man who's never been arrested before," Brown said previously. "He's maintained his innocence from the inception of this case. So he's doing the best he can at this point in time. And looking forward to having his day in court."

Gilgo Beach killings: Suspect Rex Heuermann's defense opposes cheek swab, court filing shows

A lawyer for Rex A. Heuermann is opposing a prosecution request to take a cheek swab from him, arguing that prosecutors have failed to demonstrate probable cause that Heuermann killed three women.

www.newsday.com

yeah right. There was enough probable cause to take away his freedom, no bail. There was enough probable cause to saw apart his plumbing and dig out his back yard. But, swab his cheek painlessly? What judge would approve that?

MOO

 

[dotr]

On Oct. 10, 1991, 12-year-old Tiffany Dixon vanished after dropping off her younger cousin at an elementary school in Carroll Gardens. She never made it to her seventh-grade class several blocks away.

The online true crime site “Murder Incorporated” noted that Tiffany Dixon lived on Hart Street in Bushwick. Eight months after her disappearance, Rex Heuermann filed a request to do work on a property located at 689 Hart Street, up the block from where Dixon was living with her aunt and cousin.

Two weeks later, on Oct. 30, 1991, the body parts of a Park Slope woman, Sandra Acosta, were discovered at a weeded lot near the Gowanus section of Brooklyn. Her two hands, feet, arms and legs were found, along with her head. Her torso was never recovered.

“Somebody set out to do this,” Luz Carrion said in 1991, “not only to her but other people because there’s a lot of young girls missing, about three others. Same color hair, about the same height, weight, same area. The other girl is three blocks away from here, Tiffany.”

Luz Carrion referred to the missing Tiffany Dixon, who was never found.

Sandra Acosta was slim and petite, standing only about 4 feet eleven inches tall.

Cold cases in areas of Brooklyn linked to accused Gilgo beach killer re-examined

CARROLL GARDENS, Brooklyn (PIX11) — The disappearance of a 12-year-old girl on her way to junior high school in 1991 is getting talked about again, along with two other cold case murders that…

pix11.com

Just started a thread for this murdered girl, wondering if RH has ever been known to sport a beard, real or otherwise?
speculation, imo, fwiw..

NY - NY- Quin-Rong Wu, 11, went missing near her school, sex. assaulted & strangled, body found in the East River, N. of Manhattan Bridge, 13 May 1997

https://lizjin.medium.com/who-killed-11-year-old-quin-rong-wu-22d400ad7b3 ''It was the American Dream gone horribly wrong. A Chinese couple immigrated to Manhattan in 1996 to make a better life for themselves and their children. A year later, they would bury their youngest daughter after her...

www.websleuths.com

 

[margarita25]

I might be misunderstanding (on multiple levels), but they can’t compel her to testify against him. She also might be willing to help them but not have any viable information (being out of town during his crimes).

I too was going to comment on that I thought it was odd she had not been interviewed.

I was thinking she might be able to “remember” something, like maybe a time period when he came home with scratches per say, or blood, etc, etc., etc.

The show on ID “Evil Lives Here” comes to mind, when they have the partners recount their experiences and life living with a SK, and the theme of the show “But there had been signs...”.

I wasn’t going to bring it up because I didn’t want it to be misconstrued that maybe she should have noticed things, because sometimes these killers are good at hiding things, etc. And in no way must this lady be blamed for anything.

But from the standpoint of hindsight being 20/20, I would think she might be able to provide useful information to investigators. It seems at this point she was out of town on the charged crimes, but that does not mean she might have always been out of town.

Again, this is not to point blame towards her in any way because she is also an innocent victim. But again, maybe she even knows something she doesn’t think she might know.

As mentioned she can’t be compelled to testify against her husband, but perhaps she can point them in a direction, like hypothetically, “One time he took a work trip to so-and-so”, or whatever it might be.