Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023 #9

[Sundog]

Was Rex Heuermann's wife sleeping next to the Long Island serial killer?

Asa Ellerup has come under public scrutiny following her husband's arrest for three of the Gilgo Beach murders, but the daughters of notorious serial killers BTK and the Happy Face Killer have come to her defense.

www.cbsnews.com

Henriquez spoke to "48 Hours" exclusively and says that Heuermann gave her a sweater in 2007 that Ellerup had picked up while she was on a trip to her native Iceland. Henriquez wonders if Ellerup's trip out of the country might have given Heuermann the opportunity to kill Maureen Brainard-Barnes, who disappeared that same summer. Henriquez has held onto the sweater and says it is a reminder of two women she believes are victims.

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Glad that this former employee of RH's business has publicly spoken out and acknowledged that Asa and her daughter are both victims.

 

[Bose]

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The court documents stated that the burner phones used by Heuermann to contact the victims constantly pinged off the same cell towers as his legitimate phone. They also pinged off the cell towers near his office in Midtown Manhattan and close to his family residence in Massapequa Park, where investigators recently discovered a plethora of eerie evidence. Records further showed that the locations of Heuermann's personal mobile and the burner phones coincided with the locations of the victims’ disappearances in Massapequa, Long Island, and Midtown Manhattan. “Investigators could find no instance where Heuermann was in a separate location from these other cellphones when such a communication event occurred,” the court documents state.

To me it reads that after LE did cell phone tower dumps the victims phone, RH's burner phone and his own personal cell all pinged together each time.

EBM: Add link
How investigators say they connected the dots that led to Gilgo Beach murder arrest
MOO

I think we need to see more info about the cell towers to understand the implications more fully. Midtown Manhattan is very busy, and apparently RH's house is within a short distance from the LIRR train station, which would also have traffic. IMO, the evidence, until we know for sure, has to do with LIRR train stop approximate locations, along with Midtown/Penn Station or Port Authority area. I would like to see a map, in future, of the Long Island Pings.
I am not sure why Massapequa/Massapequa Park area has been so heavily focused on. For a second, imagine RH was not apprehended, yet. Why has Babylon/West Babylon area not received more scrutiny? Two of the four Gilgo 4 had ties to those areas right before they disappeared.

MBB: around 59th St. Bridge (Manhattan, going toward LI City/Queens area), then later out by LIE, Islandia, LI
MB: pings corresponding to areas along LIRR routes, and her phone was used corresponding to cell sites in Babylon
MW: Hauppauge, activity in Massapequa Park (again, RH's house is close to train station)
AC: house in West Babylon area

To make matters more confusing, relying just on paperwork (not interviews) since RH's arrest, I want to see an explanation in the future as to why MB's date of disappearance/last seen has been changed on the bail doc. Add to that, none of the burner phones used to contact the victims were known to be owned or operated by RH.

 

[dotr]

refresher..rbbm

Evidence Solutions - Catching the Long Island Serial Killer: The Crucial Role of Digital Data (Part 1)

Digital Data is often essential to uncovering the truth in legal cases, and the investigation that led to the identification of the Long Island Serial Killer is a perfect example.

www.evidencesolutions.com

''Pointing to Heuremann​

The architecture firm that Heuremann worked for was located in Midtown Manhattan. His cell phone was registered to his business but listed his home address for billing - in Massapequa Park. These two locations matched up to the towers that victims' phones and burner phones connected to. Investigators used the billing records of Heuremann's cell phone to acquire general location information. This data showed his personal cell phone in consistent proximity to the burner phones that were used to contact the victims, the victim's phones that were used to check voicemail messages, and the calls made to taunt and harass the Barthelemy family using her cellphone. Investigators determined one harassing call to the family was made from Barthelemy's phone while it was connected to a tower located at 4 Penn Plaza (2,372 feet from Heuermann's office). Another identified burner cellphone made calls while connected to a cell tower only 872 feet from his office.
Cellular Records are not only a reliable approach to identifying a suspect, but they are remarkably well suited for exonerating one as well. In this case, detectives were able to establish an alibi for Mrs. Heuermann based on her cellular billing records, which revealed that her cell phone departed New York on June 4, 2010, returning on June 8, 2010. Again, billing records established that her cell phone traveled from New York to New Jersey on August 28, 2010, not returning until September 5, 2010. This data confirmed that she was out of state for the disappearances of both Waterman and Costello. Records could not be obtained for 2007 because they no longer existed due to retention policies. ''

 

[dotr]

Similar pre- arrest style?​

Sam Smith, Kim Petras - Unholy (Official Music Video)​

"Mummy don't know that daddy's getting hot at the body shop, doing something unholy'​

How the police caught the Long Island serial killer suspect

The architect accused of murdering three Gilgo Beach victims was linked to the crimes by a police task force who followed up leads involving burner phones, fake emails addresses and a pizza.

www.dailymail.co.uk

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/ramon-gieling-russell-williams-documentary-fatum-room-216-1.4442894

 

[FromGermany1]

Russell Williams’s wife knew he was a predator: victim - Macleans.ca

Lawyer denies new court claim

macleans.ca

I remember, that RW's wife was very interested after the arrest to secure their property for herself or at least one of the homes. Searching for a link, I found nothing, but the news article above.

 

[dotr]

Russell Williams’s wife knew he was a predator: victim - Macleans.ca

Lawyer denies new court claim

macleans.ca

I remember, that RW's wife was very interested after the arrest to secure their property for herself or at least one of the homes. Searching for a link, I found nothing, but the news article above.

It was the blue striped t-shirts that caught my attention.

 

[FromGermany1]

It was the blue striped t-shirts that caught my attention.

Yes, I did understand, dotr! Nice discovery! SK always stylish up-to-date!

 

[Ruminations]

Russell Williams’s wife knew he was a predator: victim - Macleans.ca

Lawyer denies new court claim

macleans.ca

I remember, that RW's wife was very interested after the arrest to secure their property for herself or at least one of the homes. Searching for a link, I found nothing, but the news article above.

Victims can be perpetrators; perpetrators can be victims.

It's natural to try to sort people into the good guys and the bad guys, but it's not always easy. Or possible.

MOO

 

[Betty P]

I think we need to see more info about the cell towers to understand the implications more fully. Midtown Manhattan is very busy, and apparently RH's house is within a short distance from the LIRR train station, which would also have traffic. IMO, the evidence, until we know for sure, has to do with LIRR train stop approximate locations, along with Midtown/Penn Station or Port Authority area. I would like to see a map, in future, of the Long Island Pings.
I am not sure why Massapequa/Massapequa Park area has been so heavily focused on. For a second, imagine RH was not apprehended, yet. Why has Babylon/West Babylon area not received more scrutiny? Two of the four Gilgo 4 had ties to those areas right before they disappeared.

MBB: around 59th St. Bridge (Manhattan, going toward LI City/Queens area), then later out by LIE, Islandia, LI
MB: pings corresponding to areas along LIRR routes, and her phone was used corresponding to cell sites in Babylon
MW: Hauppauge, activity in Massapequa Park (again, RH's house is close to train station)
AC: house in West Babylon area

To make matters more confusing, relying just on paperwork (not interviews) since RH's arrest, I want to see an explanation in the future as to why MB's date of disappearance/last seen has been changed on the bail doc. Add to that, none of the burner phones used to contact the victims were known to be owned or operated by RH.

A lot to unpack, I’ll tackle a few:

The maps, illustrations cell phone and tower data will likely be shown in great detail during the trial. If you’ve followed a trial lately that used a lot of cell phone and GPS data as evidence, you’ll understand how the experts in this field are able to reconstruct the movements of killers in good, valid detail. The prosecution probably isn’t going to reveal all of that evidence prior to the trial. Hats just standard practice.

As for Rex H using burner phones to call the families of victims after the murders, he apparently got a special kick out of lrtting families get their hopes up when they saw the phone number of their missing loved one calling their cell phone. He’s one sick guy.

Burner phones used to contact some of the victims prior to their deaths were traced to Rex H.

 

[Bose]

A lot to unpack, I’ll tackle a few:

The maps, illustrations cell phone and tower data will likely be shown in great detail during the trial. If you’ve followed a trial lately that used a lot of cell phone and GPS data as evidence, you’ll understand how the experts in this field are able to reconstruct the movements of killers in good, valid detail. The prosecution probably isn’t going to reveal all of that evidence prior to the trial. Hats just standard practice.

As for Rex H using burner phones to call the families of victims after the murders, he apparently got a special kick out of lrtting families get their hopes up when they saw the phone number of their missing loved one calling their cell phone. He’s one sick guy.

Burner phones used to contact some of the victims prior to their deaths were traced to Rex H.

I still stand by what I said, I guess explanations will be at the trial. Thank you for your input, @Betty P

 

[girlhasnoname]

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I think we need to see more info about the cell towers to understand the implications more fully. Midtown Manhattan is very busy, and apparently RH's house is within a short distance from the LIRR train station, which would also have traffic. IMO, the evidence, until we know for sure, has to do with LIRR train stop approximate locations, along with Midtown/Penn Station or Port Authority area. I would like to see a map, in future, of the Long Island Pings.
I am not sure why Massapequa/Massapequa Park area has been so heavily focused on. For a second, imagine RH was not apprehended, yet. Why has Babylon/West Babylon area not received more scrutiny? Two of the four Gilgo 4 had ties to those areas right before they disappeared.

MBB: around 59th St. Bridge (Manhattan, going toward LI City/Queens area), then later out by LIE, Islandia, LI
MB: pings corresponding to areas along LIRR routes, and her phone was used corresponding to cell sites in Babylon
MW: Hauppauge, activity in Massapequa Park (again, RH's house is close to train station)
AC: house in West Babylon area

To make matters more confusing, relying just on paperwork (not interviews) since RH's arrest, I want to see an explanation in the future as to why MB's date of disappearance/last seen has been changed on the bail doc. Add to that, none of the burner phones used to contact the victims were known to be owned or operated by RH.

The last trial I watched (Murdaugh) had FBI Specialists that could track phones and their activities (location, off/on, how many feet traveling per minute, etc.) down like nothing I never knew was possible before. It was amazing stuff.

 

[Betty P]

I still stand by what I said, I guess explanations will be at the trial. Thank you for your input, @Betty P

No problem. I like hearing other points of view and theories.

 

[Ruminations]

I think we need to see more info about the cell towers to understand the implications more fully. Midtown Manhattan is very busy, and apparently RH's house is within a short distance from the LIRR train station, which would also have traffic. IMO, the evidence, until we know for sure, has to do with LIRR train stop approximate locations, along with Midtown/Penn Station or Port Authority area. I would like to see a map, in future, of the Long Island Pings.
I am not sure why Massapequa/Massapequa Park area has been so heavily focused on. For a second, imagine RH was not apprehended, yet. Why has Babylon/West Babylon area not received more scrutiny? Two of the four Gilgo 4 had ties to those areas right before they disappeared.

MBB: around 59th St. Bridge (Manhattan, going toward LI City/Queens area), then later out by LIE, Islandia, LI
MB: pings corresponding to areas along LIRR routes, and her phone was used corresponding to cell sites in Babylon
MW: Hauppauge, activity in Massapequa Park (again, RH's house is close to train station)
AC: house in West Babylon area

To make matters more confusing, relying just on paperwork (not interviews) since RH's arrest, I want to see an explanation in the future as to why MB's date of disappearance/last seen has been changed on the bail doc. Add to that, none of the burner phones used to contact the victims were known to be owned or operated by RH.

Wow. Are you expressing skepticism about the burner phone evidence? Because, it looks so tight from the bail documents. I find it highly unlikely there there is a defense against that evidence. Sure others might use the same train stations, but how many of them have their own phone consistently pinging with burner phones/victim phones making dates or making taunting calls? And had a phone make the "reverse commute," shall we say, with Meagan's phone westward to Massepequa Park?

You've been on this case for as long as anyone, BOSE. What do you think is wrong with LE's evidence, putting money on a phone, having his phone travel with the (rotating) burners, pinging with victims? Using his charge card at the same location a burner phone was...

If I were on defense for Rex, (puke) I'd hammer fraud in the past and hope the jury doesn't read that evidence, assuming it was all tainted with SCPD corruption. I wouldn't begin to try to go point by point against it. I'd hate to give it that attention because it's so damning.

MOO

 

[dotr]

Wondering if RH had access to a bomb shelter? fwiw, speculation, imo.

'It's Kind Of Awesome': Family Raves About Cold War-Era Bomb Shelter Under Home

A family on Long Island recently moved into a home with a relic of history right under their feet.

www.cbsnews.com

2018Breaking News from CBS2 - CBS New York
''GREENLAWN, N.Y. (CBSNewYork) -- A family on Long Island recently moved into a home with a relic from a bygone era right under their feet -- a fallout shelter from the Cold War that could house a family of six.''

''Accessible through a secret crawl-through tunnel, they are now the proud owners of a survival shelter, circa 1962.''

''There are actually other bomb shelters built under homes in the Smith's neighborhood, but Scandurra really went all out, essentially building a two-room subterranean apartment.

There are three entrances, including a trap door.''

 

[Momoffourboys]

Gilgo Beach suspect Rex Heuermann wants home firearms stash handed over to family

Imprisoned Gilgo Beach serial killing suspect Rex Heuermann wants his weapons back. The hulking defendant’s lawyer asked for the return of the more than 280 firearms recovered during a search…

www.nydailynews.com

 

[Betty P]

Russell Williams’s wife knew he was a predator: victim - Macleans.ca

Lawyer denies new court claim

macleans.ca

I remember, that RW's wife was very interested after the arrest to secure their property for herself or at least one of the homes. Searching for a link, I found nothing, but the news article above.

I recall she had a fairly high ranking job with a very big non-profit. She wasn't an abused wife or anything. Well educated, professional. He had all kinds of "souvenirs" stashed around their homes, he had odd hours, especially towards the end when he was sneaking into so many womens' homes in their neighborhood.

Interesting that, as of 2014, Russell's wife still hadn't finalized a divorce from him. The lawsuit against her by victims of her husband was eventually settled out of court.

 

[Ruminations]

Gilgo Beach suspect Rex Heuermann wants home firearms stash handed over to family

Imprisoned Gilgo Beach serial killing suspect Rex Heuermann wants his weapons back. The hulking defendant’s lawyer asked for the return of the more than 280 firearms recovered during a search…

www.nydailynews.com

Does anyone else have a problem with all these attorneys echoing each other?

I'm having a hard time believing the attorneys are each working for their clients' interests, when they all have a coordinated message.

Wwho ever heard of police handing over weapons obtained in a legal search of a home where person accused of three murders and suspected in a fourth were returned? I haven't heard of anything being returned, ever, until LE finished their investigation. But if there is a precedent of returning legally seized evidence, I highly doubt the precedent includes fire arms.

NYS, btw, is NOT a community property state. That means that just because Rex and AE are married, it does not follow that all property belongs to both of them. The usual behavior in a divorce, even uncontested, which this may be, is each party advocates for what is theirs as being theirs. Ethical partners don't want to starve their newly insignificant others, of course, but their lawyer shouldn't let them give away the store, either. I understand that Rex had 90 something permits. Not AE. So those legal guns are very likely more his than hers. The illegal assault weapons shouldn't be anyone's. So, the long guns and antiques that might be unpermitted and legal...who do they belong to? Was AE the hunter? Or the collector?

a judge might say yes. But a judge might say no. And it is weird for the attorneys for both parties to want to sell them off before working that out. Why not put something less controversial on the market? Like the time share or SC property?

While Rex's attorney is for criminal defense, he benefits by making sure Rex gets his equitable share of the marital assets. The more belongs to Rex, the more Rex can pay. So I don't think Rex's lawyer would want to blow off making sure Rex gets his fair share in the divorce. Yet there he is, wanting to sell off Rex's guns.

MOO

 

[Sundog]

Does anyone else have a problem with all these attorneys echoing each other?

No.

I'm having a hard time believing the attorneys are each working for their clients' interests, when they all have a coordinated message.

RH's attorneys represent RH, and it is likely that RH wants AE to be taken care of financially, so his attorney needs to abide by his wishes as his representative.

Wwho ever heard of police handing over weapons obtained in a legal search of a home where person accused of three murders and suspected in a fourth were returned? I haven't heard of anything being returned, ever, until LE finished their investigation. But if there is a precedent of returning legally seized evidence, I highly doubt the precedent includes fire arms.

If items that were seized were later determined to be obtained legallly and legal to own, and not related to evidence in the criminal case, I think the request to the Court for their return is reasonable and that it should be decided by the judge in the case with a hearing with both defense and prosecution making their case. The article posted says that many of the firearms are antiques that were collected by RH's family members (probably his father) and were from the Civil War and WWII. (IIRC from the article posted above.) They probably haven't been used for a long time but could be sold by RH and AE for her care and the care of the children.

After all, she is in dire need of financial assistance for both her medical care and pretty much everything else.

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[Ruminations]

No.

RH's attorneys represent RH, and it is likely that RH wants AE to be taken care of financially, so his attorney needs to abide by his wishes as his representative.

If items that were seized were later determined to be obtained legallly and legal to own, and not related to evidence in the criminal case, I think the request to the Court for their return is reasonable and that it should be decided by the judge in the case with a hearing with both defense and prosecution making their case. The article posted says that many of the firearms are antiques that were collected by RH's family members (probably his father) and were from the Civil War and WWII. (IIRC from the article posted above.) They probably haven't been used for a long time but could be sold by RH and AE for her care and the care of the children.

After all, she is in dire need of financial assistance for both her medical care and pretty much everything else.

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Well then. They shouldn't get divorced. It seems like there is no conflict about the marital assets.

But, if indeed the antiques were inherited by Rex, they would not go to AE in divorce.

Why sell off the guns first? When LE is not finished with them? When the divorce is not final? There are so many assets LE does not have. Like Rex's business, that could be sold. Or the properties in other states? Why not spend the donations?

It is absurd to expect LE to return firearms when a suspect is in custody for murder. Show me one precedent where this has happened . It is absurd to demand to sell off matital assets before a divorce is final. Show me a precedent.

This suspect is being treated typically in terms of search and evidence collection. There is nothing unusual about holding firearms. It is not usual or even ethical to sell off assets that could be non-communal before a separation or divorce agreement is final. There is no reason for this suspect to be treated differently in divorce.

But I don't believe the divorce filing is sincere. IMO, if it were sincere, it would have been filed in Nassau County. Suffolk County is not the appropriate Supreme Court. Neither the plaintiff nor the defendant live there.


MOO

 

[kittythehare]

Well then. They shouldn't get divorced. It seems like there is no conflict about the marital assets.

But, if indeed the antiques were inherited by Rex, they would not go to AE in divorce.

Why sell off the guns first? When LE is not finished with them? When the divorce is not final? There are so many assets LE does not have. Like Rex's business, that could be sold. Or the properties in other states? Why not spend the donations?

It is absurd to expect LE to return firearms when a suspect is in custody for murder. Show me one precedent where this has happened . It is absurd to demand to sell off matital assets before a divorce is final. Show me a precedent.

This suspect is being treated typically in terms of search and evidence collection. There is nothing unusual about holding firearms. It is not usual or even ethical to sell off assets that could be non-communal before a separation or divorce agreement is final. There is no reason for this suspect to be treated differently in divorce.

But I don't believe the divorce filing is sincere. IMO, if it were sincere, it would have been filed in Nassau County. Suffolk County is not the appropriate Supreme Court. Neither the plaintiff nor the defendant live there.


MOO

Has there been a sea change whereby RH is now a loving caring husband and father as opposed to the vicious serial killer he undoubtedly is, allegedly?

Lets go find his lair/ basement/ bomb shelter?
He had access to tons of properties.