Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[imstilla.grandma]

That really doesn't make much sense given what is said here:

Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023 #8

In my our lifetime, an arrest is made for LISK! 10 victims Friday’s reported arrest came after Suffolk County’s new police commissioner created a special Gilgo Beach Homicide Investigation Task Force in February last year Gilgo Beach, LISK serial killings suspect in police custody Thread #1...

www.websleuths.com

This witness says there were sex workers in the house and it was well known by the family. Once again its a leap from there to serial killing even if true, but hey it's Johnny Ray

How would DS know anything about the dynamics of the household?

MOO

I guess he wouldn’t. Who would know about the about the dynamics of the household though?
SK? SK’s wife? SK’s daughter? SK’s son? SK’s other family member? SK’s friend?

 

[Jurisprudence]

Link? TiA

That may be. Who knows. Is it relevant? I don't think so. JMO. I'm focusing on what he has to say, his experience in the case and the evidence he has. I've followed this case long enough to know he follows the rules and he shares his information with LE. I'm always leery of anyone who tries to discredit him, because it has happened many times.

I agree. I don't think who JR may or may not represent at any given time is relevant to this investigation at all because like you, I have found him to be a pretty honest broker and I credit him greatly for keeping the pressure on. Without JR imo it would have been so easy for them to close the books on this.

All jmo

 

[Sundog]

It's between all the things that are being unnecessarily repeated. John Ray has not, as far as I know, stated AE was aware of murders.

He has stated that for years she was aware of sex with sex workers in their basement, including while AE is home.

It comports with the statement of a tinder date that was pressured to go to his home.

This could be evidence of terrible things being done to AE. But it also means she would possibly have the ability to give LE more information.

Has she given LE info? Maybe, but John Ray jumped into action around the time of that presser that seemed to have as one agenda to get it out there that LE has not been speaking to her.

Macedonia has been treated exceptionally well by Spota, keeping his law license and freedom for offenses that others have been jailed for. Spota is incarcerated for obstructing investigations into LE. I don't know how to link yet, but look for @Betty P for links.

For some reason, AE's own lawyers also seemed to be discrediting her IMO. They kept saying she has to get her mental health together, as if, should she spoken, they needed to discredit her. Why would these lawyers spend so much effort communicating that AE is not speaking to LE and that she has mental health issues, by the way? And why would this presser seem to be what sprang John Ray into action?

Focus on this piece of information. John Ray is speaking to a witness who credibly states that she knows Rex brought sex workers into the basement while AE was upstairs over the course of years.

LE could debunk it if they wanted to. They have had Rex under surveillance for quite some time.

Isn't that an important investigative lead? And doesn't it make it seem a little hinky that the family's lawyers had to have a press conference with the messages: AE is not talking to LE and by the way, she has to work on her mental health?


I don't feel that AE knew about murders. I feel that this information is evidence of her being treated with cruelty.

I also suspect that John Ray is telling us about this witness now, because this unneeded press conference seemed to him to be evidence that LE was not following the lead of 5he witness.

My interpretations - the picture I made from the dots- might not be correct. But there are important dots here.

* Witness says AE home and aware when RH had sex workers over.

* AE's lawyers claim AE is not talking to LE.

* Macedonia was given huge legal protection by Spota.

* AE's own lawyers say she has mental health issues she has to deal with.

MOO.

There is no LE report that AE is complicit or that she was home when and if SWs were brought to her home by RH.

AE's lawyeres were responding to questions as to whether AE is being questioned by LE, and he said that they have not contacted her regarding questioning. So that's on LE, not AE. Or the lawyers for AE.

Do you have a link for your statement that AE's lawyer has some "huge legal protection"? Is it about the drug charges that he faced earlier in his career?

I didn't hear AE's attorney say she has mental health issues. I thought he talked about her facing cancer treatment, two cancer diagnoses, and of course she would be dealing with depression, anxiety, and other emotional challenges based on the shock of her husband being arrested for the LISK murders. Especially as a mother of a special needs adult child and with a young adult daughter, also, who she is responsible for - for both of their well-being.

AE is a victim and shame on John Ray for insinuating she is complicit in the LISK murders and challenging her worthiness in accepting the support of those in the pubic who have deep empathy for what she and her children are going through right now. Talk about blaming the victim, this guy is the epitome of that.

IMO.

edited for spelling

 

[Forest_Wood]

I didn't hear AE's attorney say she has mental health issues. I thought he talked about her facing cancer treatment, two cancer diagnoses, and of course she would be dealing with depression, anxiety, and other emotional challenges based on the shock of her husband being arrested for the LISK murders. Especially as a mother of a special needs adult child and with a young adult daughter, also, who she is responsible for their well-being.

Depression and anxiety are on the spectrum of mental health diagnoses just as cancer is considered a physical health problem.

How do you know she wasn't dealing with depression and anxiety before her husband's arrest?

Her lawyers at the press conference came across that her health is not doing well and that she needs more money. MOO.

 

[Betty P]

That really doesn't make much sense given what is said here:

Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023 #8

In my our lifetime, an arrest is made for LISK! 10 victims Friday’s reported arrest came after Suffolk County’s new police commissioner created a special Gilgo Beach Homicide Investigation Task Force in February last year Gilgo Beach, LISK serial killings suspect in police custody Thread #1...

www.websleuths.com

This witness says there were sex workers in the house and it was well known by the family. Once again its a leap from there to serial killing even if true, but hey it's Johnny Ray

How would DS know anything about the dynamics of the household?

MOO

Did someone say that DS was the source of information about Rex H bringing sex workers into the basement while his wife was home? That doesn't seem likely.

JMO, I assume the information comes from another sex worker who Rex H hired, but didn't kill. Quite a few of them have come forward with information. Perhaps he hired one, brought her home and she saw or heard his family upstairs. Maybe the witness was surprised that Rex brought her in through the front door, with other family members present in the living room or kitchen. It doesn't mean the witness knew a lot about the family, just what they observed.

 

[iamshadow21]

Did someone say that DS was the source of information about Rex H bringing sex workers into the basement while his wife was home? That doesn't seem likely.

JMO, I assume the information comes from another sex worker who Rex H hired, but didn't kill. Quite a few of them have come forward with information. Perhaps he hired one, brought her home and she saw or heard his family upstairs. Maybe the witness was surprised that Rex brought her in through the front door, with other family members present in the living room or kitchen. It doesn't mean the witness knew a lot about the family, just what they observed.

@imstilla.grandma wondered if DS could be the witness, I pointed out that wasn't likely given the nature of the information the witness was asserting, she agreed. That's all.

MOO

 

[kittythehare]

This seems strange to me but now, not so strange. Curiously, I have started to look into it after seeing these posts. I've seen mention (available to all on an internet search) that only as recent as 11 days ago (coincidentally or maybe not, in the wake of the success of AE's donation efforts) that the cousin is now seeking donations. Perhaps the possibility of coming into money has everything to do with severing ties with an attorney who was formerly advocating on your behalf on a pro bono basis. It was created August 2nd.

jmo

Is it verified?
Very few followers?

 

[kittythehare]

Did someone say that DS was the source of information about Rex H bringing sex workers into the basement while his wife was home? That doesn't seem likely.

JMO, I assume the information comes from another sex worker who Rex H hired, but didn't kill. Quite a few of them have come forward with information. Perhaps he hired one, brought her home and she saw or heard his family upstairs. Maybe the witness was surprised that Rex brought her in through the front door, with other family members present in the living room or kitchen. It doesn't mean the witness knew a lot

I had assumed it was a neighbour..
i wonder?

 

[iamshadow21]

Is it verified?
Very few followers?

If you mean the Twitter account, you must know a blue tick means nothing these days, if you've seen the smallest fraction of the drama on that site recently.

MOO

 

[kittythehare]

If you mean the Twitter account, you must know a blue tick means nothing these days, if you've seen the smallest fraction of the drama on that site recently.

MOI know twtr very well indeed and because of that I ask. It is not even remotely beyond the scope of reasonable inquiry to wonder if some weirdo didn't set up this account for the hell of it

 

[kittythehare]

Sorry @iamashadow, I broke the reply and system wouldn't let me fix it, I wrote in your box.

 

[Betty P]

I had assumed it was a neighbour..
i wonder?

That's another possibility. Hadn't thought of that one. He mentioned in his presser that he had deposed/questioned this witness for hours and felt they were telling the truth. If you read his depositions in the Shannan Gilbert lawsuit, JR is a pro.

 

[Ruminations]

I agree. I don't think who JR may or may not represent at any given time is relevant to this investigation at all because like you, I have found him to be a pretty honest broker and I credit him greatly for keeping the pressure on. Without JR imo it would have been so easy for them to close the books on this.

All jmo

The books would have been closed, burned, and the ashes buried.

I'm not saying he was a one man show, but he was an essential part of keeping many of these unsolved murdered relevant.

It appears at this point that Rex may have only tangential, non criminal connections to his current/former client(s). But we don't know that yet. Rex can't be ruled out based on available info.

But IMO John Ray also kept those victims and signs of Suffolk County corruption relevant.

MOO

 

[IDK]

Completely agree. Perhaps, IF the press release was also a way to let RH know what was going on as someone theorized, the family will retreat into quietness now. It is my feeling that the Heuermann family is poised more on a tightrope with public opinion than the families of the deceased women. I suspect sympathy for the Heuermanns might turn fairly quickly if their attitude, words and actions are not well received. Choosing to stay out of the limelight might be a better choice.

“Choosing to stay out of the limelight might be a better choice”

I agree with much of you said except for the above statement. AE and her children did not ask the media vultures to descend and prey upon them once they returned to their home. The voyeuristic media was absolutely relentless and cruel in filming and photographing AE and her children.

IMO only, perhaps her lawyer was trying to humanize her for the public, but I’m really not sure. Very unfortunate if this has backfired and caused people to resent her and her adult children.

 

[Ruminations]

I had assumed it was a neighbour..
i wonder?

Quite possible.

 

[kittythehare]

That's another possibility. Hadn't thought of that one. He mentioned in his presser that he had deposed/questioned this witness for hours and felt they were telling the truth. If you read his depositions in the Shannan Gilbert lawsuit, JR is a pro.

I am not in a place where I will discredit his prior work at any level.
I'm glad he did what he did /
However there is more to be done and if he was on the ball he'd be doing that instead.
he may have just lost the plot.
It happens.

That in no way stops me believing what I do believe about other victims.
JR is not a victim.
And here we are again- distracted.

There's plenty of work to be done..

 

[Jurisprudence]

Is it verified?
Very few followers?

That Twitter? No idea. I only looked at the post linked here by another. It's not relevant imo. The only relevant thing I think is for those to not state JR was terminated for those reasons stated.

jmo

 

[kittythehare]

That Twitter? No idea. I only looked at the post linked here by another. It's not relevant imo. The only relevant thing I think is for those to not state JR was terminated for those reasons stated.

jmo

What reasons were stated?

 

[Jurisprudence]

What reasons were stated?

Sorry but I'm not repeating them even though 18 people liked it. Post 71

 

[imstilla.grandma]

I had assumed it was a neighbour..
i wonder?

This is the best option to go with right now I think imo