Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Betty P]

Agree RH is THE culprit here. Never said otherwise.

Just saying IMO JR has a lot of gall at this stage. And my jaw IS on the floor with this guy.

JR has an established reputation for being an honest attorney and advocate for the victims of LISK. He's cooperated with LE and tells the truth. It may be hard for some people to hear, but its a murder investigation that was stymied for over 10 years by LE and prosecutors who couldn't resolve the case, but that another LEO from a different jurisdiction solved in one month.

Investigator first identified Gilgo Beach suspect a year ago

turnto10.com

OTOH, the killer's wife has hired attorneys, is suing the Suffolk County PD, isn't cooperating and is still in contact with her serial killer husband. It's hard for a wife to be in her situation, but its not going to help her to blame everyone else for her problems.

ETA: I'd also add that if LE thought perhaps that Rex's wife could help to get him to confess, provide incriminating evidence or take a plea deal to avoid a lengthy trial, they're probably wrong. These two are probably going to put up a big fight, along with their attorneys. He has 4, I think. She has 2. JMO

 

[margarita25]

I don’t think anyone is saying RH isn’t the problem here. That’s a given.

The JR deal is a separate aspect of this discussion, RH aside, him accusing and outing someone with no proof to submit at this time, victim blaming, when police have not indicated any family responsibility or involvement. Again as stated we don’t know what may come out later, but at this stage imo this is inappropriate. Doesn’t mean RH is not a monster because he is, OBVIOUSLY, but JR is out of line at this stage, imo.

 

[margarita25]

Rsbm

OTOH, the killer's wife has hired attorneys, is suing the Suffolk County PD, isn't cooperating and is still in contact with her serial killer husband. It's hard for a wife to be in her situation, but its not going to help her to blame everyone else for her problems.

Respectfully, has AE blamed anyone else for her problems? Perhaps I missed this, I don’t get to read every post unfortunately.

 

[marypretzels]

That des not make AE "complicit" in the murders which is also what Ray stated.

If he has evidence of such, he needs to get to the police stat. Until then, AE is not a POI in these crimes as stated by LE.

This attorney seems to be "shading" family members, perhaps because he knows they have seriously damaging information about his client and he's trying to get ahead of it. JMO

 

[margarita25]

That des not make AE "complicit" in the murders which is also what Ray stated.

If he has evidence of such, he needs to get to the police stat. Until then, AE is not a POI in these crimes as stated by LE.

Exactly.

 

[Betty P]

This attorney seems to be "shading" family members, perhaps because he knows they have seriously damaging information about his client and he's trying to get ahead of it. JMO

Who would JR's client be that he is protecting?

His client is a deceased sex worker who probably wasn't murdered by Rex Heuermann. He's also a long-time legal advocate for all of the victims of LISK. So who is he protecting?

 

[Betty P]

I don’t think anyone is saying RH isn’t the problem here. That’s a given.

The JR deal is a separate aspect of this discussion, RH aside, him accusing and outing someone with no proof to submit at this time, victim blaming, when police have not indicated any family responsibility or involvement. Again as stated we don’t know what may come out later, but at this stage imo this is inappropriate. Doesn’t mean RH is not a monster because he is, OBVIOUSLY, but RH is out of line at this stage, imo.

JR has a witness who he has examined via questioning and verified their information is correct. He's provided the witness statement to LE. The witness has asked that their identity not be made public at this time. JR has been bringing forward evidence and probing the LE LISK investigation for about 13 years now. He has a history of backing up his charges with evidence.

The investigation is ongoing, so LE isn't going to comment on it until they need to. JR has made some references to this witness for a little while now, so his recent revelations aren't a surprise.

 

[Jurisprudence]

None of the family members that participated were disgusted by the jewelry/podcast project. They supported it and were very grateful for the exposure since when it launched, no one was talking about the case anymore & it brought attention to it while helping others in need.

That post had nothing to do with your jewelry.

 

[margarita25]

Very surprised to see people jumping on the John Ray train with NO PROOF presented at this time.

You can’t just go on national TV and say things like that imo. This is not an allegation of taking someone’s cookie from the cookie jar.

As I stated we don’t know what may come out later. And yes he has been an advocate for LISK. That doesn’t mean he is right about everything.

Like I said if it turns out he is right about this, then that’s one thing to be addressed at that juncture. But at this stage police have not indicated the family has been complicit in anything (Yes the investigation is ongoing). But that’s one hell of an accusation that needs to backed up if you’re going to put it out there. So far his comments haven’t convinced me of anything. We don’t know at this time the victims were killed at the house.

As far as her talking to her SK husband, we don’t know what those conversations entail.

I’m open to anything at this point, we have seen all kinds of perps and complicity. Just going by what has been indicated by LE, which at this time does not support JR’s allegations. Again, it doesn’t mean things could change or new information released later.

Jmo.

 

[Arkay]

JR has a witness who he has examined via questioning and verified their information is correct. He's provided the witness statement to LE. The witness has asked that their identity not be made public at this time. JR has been bringing forward evidence and probing the LE LISK investigation for about 13 years now. He has a history of backing up his charges with evidence.

Like I said if it turns out he is right about this, then that’s one thing to be addressed at that juncture. But at this stage police have not indicated the family has been complicit in anything (Yes the investigation is ongoing). But that’s one hell of an accusation that needs to backed up if you’re going to put it out there. So far his comments haven’t convinced me of anything. We don’t know at this time the victims were killed at the house.

I had never heard of JR until now, so I can only judge him by the excerpt from NewsNation that was published here.

I have mixed emotions about aspects of this case, because while I definitely believe AE and her children are suffering due to RH, their suffering, while life-altering, is not equivalent to life-ending, which is obviously the case for the murdered women.

Two things with which I vehemently disagree:

1. JR stating that AE should be looked upon as a suspect. At this time, she is still an ancillary victim of RH’s actions.

2. Although I feel for the H family, I do not agree at all that they should be suing LE. I said this in some earlier post—-imo LE did what they HAVE to do, and that is investigate wherever and however they can to get to the bottom of these serial murders.

Not knowing of JR, I was not impressed with him, whatever sturdy history he may have as a lawyer. He was eager to boast about his lengthy career. This case is NOT about him. Furthermore, I did not hear him, in that excerpt, say that his witness had been completely verified. I heard him say that he “performed the usual tests of truth.”

Meaning what? Was she polygraphed? Or did she just say “I swear it’s true?” Or did JR look into her eyes and believe her?

While LE still says AE is not involved in the murders in any way, I am unconvinced by JR’s blatant accusation that she’s a con artist who is a suspect in this case.

If LE investigates further and she is culpable, then I will believe it. I do agree that she should have issued some kind of statement expressing sympathy to the victim’s families, no matter how she and her children are enduring their own tribulations.

ALL JMO

 

[ArianeEmory]

Ray strikes me as someone who is in it for fame & money.

His website and other networking sites say stuff like:

I am the only attorney in the United States to have had two full- length trials covered by Court TV.

 

[marypretzels]

Who would JR's client be that he is protecting?

His client is a deceased sex worker who probably wasn't murdered by Rex Heuermann. He's also a long-time legal advocate for all of the victims of LISK. So who is he protecting?

I may not be reading carefully enough but JR seems to be overly interested in defending Rex Heuermann. Maybe he wants a new client. Again, JMO.

Who would JR's client be that he is protecting?

His client is a deceased sex worker who probably wasn't murdered by Rex Heuermann. He's also a long-time legal advocate for all of the victims of LISK. So who is he protecting

 

[dotr]

Jul 31, 2023 rbbm lengthy article

Rex Heuermann's mistake: Criminal profiler weighs in on one of Gilgo Beach murder suspect's biggest flaws

Veteran criminal profiler John Kelly labeled Heuermann an 'evil chameleon' who seemed to lead a double life and expertly hide his violent urges

meaww.com

'' Kelly told The Sun. "They always do think they're smarter than everyone else and really that's what gets them tripped up in a crime. With Heuermann it was the burlap bags. He was putting these bodies in these camouflage bags to try and hide them, but as he's doing that there's DNA and other things on it, for instance, his wife's hair, which was found on three of the victims, and his hair [which was found on one]. And by using those burlap bags, he actually protected that DNA from the environment. And that's one piece that led to his downfall. He really outsmarted himself there, because if that hair wasn't in a protected environment, it would've just disintegrated long, long ago. With the wind, and the rain, and everything else, that DNA would've been destroyed if not for that bag."

''According to Kelly, Heuermann fits the archetypal mold of a serial killer, being a "sexual sadist" and a narcissist. Kelly described him as an "evil chameleon," adept at projecting a normal and charming facade while harboring sinister urges.''

'' The house his family lives in - bearing in mind he's an architect and it looks dilapidated and run-down - is interesting, and you can interpret the psychology of that in a lot of ways. We know he has a lot of unpaid taxes, his business isn't supposedly doing so well. But he has 200 guns in his basement? That's a lot of money. He has property in Vegas and South Carolina."

''Kelly delved into Heuermann's apparent social personality disorder and narcissism, emphasizing that the killer prioritized his own gratification over societal norms. "To me, he doesn't care what society thinks of him," he continued. "So what gives him self-gratification is the guns, owning properties, being on the hunt [for more victims], violent , torture, and murder, that's what matters to him - not what his home looks like. He doesn't care what society thinks about him and that's a social personality disorder that pretty much all these guys have: they don't care what you think. And with narcissism as well, all that's important is what they want and what's going to make them feel good or give them a high. That's all they care about."

''He would've started early, especially for someone that has the fantasies he has. We can see he has a sexual addiction to a violent kind of porn, so he's been entertaining these fantasies for a long, long time - and at some point, he started to move on them. And I'm sure he wasn't waiting until he was in his 40s to move on them."

 

[ConundrumPonderer]

All MOO, and very high blood pressure.
Ray can, quite honestly, say that a large part of the reason we finally got here is because he actually gave a rat’s a about Shannan. He was pretty much the only one.

Mother's quest to find daughter led to the eventual arrest of suspect in Gilgo Beach serial killings

Mari Gilbert, in the final years of her life, pressured police to take her daughter's disappearance seriously. She fought tirelessly to ensure that Shannan and the other victims would not be forgotten.

www.cbsnews.com

Everything about this is horrifying. It’s legitimately horrifying that you can sue the police for conducting a huge crime scene investigation after the arrest of a suspected serial murderer. It was horrifying here when the taxpayers had to pay for ‘damage‘ resulting from the police search of (serial murderer) Russel Williams’ house after his charming wife got her lawyer involved. The complaints when police don’t prioritize crimes, or don’t investigate to whatever level. How many times have we read, here on WS of a DA saying that if they proceeded they’d have been sued? Today, my mother said “Can you imagine the outcry, in 10 years, someone buys that house and finds one of those girl’s teeth or something?”

I’m also not going to dismiss Ray’s possible information, for the same reason I didn’t dismiss Ms Brass about her alarming date with a client she believes to have been RH. Former escort recounts creepy encounter with accused Gilgo Beach killer, saying he ‘got off’ while talking about victims
Because then I surely wouldn’t have a leg to stand on arguing that witnesses, in the same line of work, weren’t listened to at the time.
There are God only knows how many victims of RH. They’re the ones I’m worried about, they’re ghosts. In every way.
MOO

 

[Jurisprudence]

Very surprised to see people jumping on the John Ray train with NO PROOF presented at this time.

You can’t just go on national TV and say things like that imo. This is not an allegation of taking someone’s cookie from the cookie jar.

As I stated we don’t know what may come out later. And yes he has been an advocate for LISK. That doesn’t mean he is right about everything.

Like I said if it turns out he is right about this, then that’s one thing to be addressed at that juncture. But at this stage police have not indicated the family has been complicit in anything (Yes the investigation is ongoing). But that’s one hell of an accusation that needs to backed up if you’re going to put it out there. So far his comments haven’t convinced me of anything. We don’t know at this time the victims were killed at the house.

As far as her talking to her SK husband, we don’t know what those conversations entail.

I’m open to anything at this point, we have seen all kinds of perps and complicity. Just going by what has been indicated by LE, which at this time does not support JR’s allegations. Again, it doesn’t mean things could change or new information released later.

Jmo.

[BBM]

But, he's smart enough to know this and he did it anyway, and did it knowing she already has counsel that could file a suit on a dime. So, this says something different to me. It says to me that this might actually have some teeth. And, maybe others also read it like this and this, coupled with all of the very good (imo) he has done in the past, warrants consideration of the view. I don't think anyone jumped on any train though lol.

jmo

 

[wazdorf]

I find it very strange that multiple posters in this thread are accusing Heuermann's wife of helping facilitate the murders of multiple woman when there is little to no evidence provided to point in that direction. In fact, the evidence that has been provided does the exact opposite, proving that he commited the murders when she was on holiday. The evidence that could point in that direction is have the nucleus of the hair that isn't even 100% his wife's but that can easily be explained by him having it on his clothes or bringing them home - while she isn't there, mind you - and the word of a lawyer that has been sketchy at best.

 

[arielilane]

I went back to check and didn't see this info posted.

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[margarita25]

All MOO, and very high blood pressure.
Ray can, quite honestly, say that a large part of the reason we finally got here is because he actually gave a rat’s a about Shannan. He was pretty much the only one. Rsbm

It’s wonderful that JR has been an advocate in Shannan’s case, but that does not directly correlate to the arrest of RH. It’s great he has kept this case in the media, etc., but as far as RH is concerned, as I understand it, that was a result of the Task Force, phone pings, vehicle description, and even the work of an initial investigator who notated the cell info at that time which ended up being on record for analysts to look at later. If I’m missing something that indicates JR had a part in RH’s arrest, please let me know. I have not had time to read every document, so if JR is mentioned in any of the documents, etc. then I stand corrected.

Just because one might not be buying everything JR is selling at this time, it doesn’t mean his previous efforts are negated. It’s understandable to consider what he is saying, considering his strong involvement in this case over the years and perhaps a trust that seems to have grown, but one must be very careful when doing this when such strong allegations are at stake. That’s all I’m saying. I don’t know what the case is either way, and neither does anyone here, but I’m sure not going to go along with accusing someone without presented proof. Again he claims to have the proof, so until this is shown, it is only fair imo to give someone the benefit of the doubt unless proven otherwise. It’s a free world, we can all have our thoughts and opinions, and I appreciate the opportunity to discuss different viewpoints and angles. Bottom line imo, JR is treading on very dangerous ground.

 

[Jurisprudence]

I find it very strange that multiple posters in this thread are accusing Heuermann's wife of helping facilitate the murders of multiple woman when there is little to no evidence provided to point in that direction. In fact, the evidence that has been provided does the exact opposite, proving that he commited the murders when she was on holiday. The evidence that could point in that direction is have the nucleus of the hair that isn't even 100% his wife's but that can easily be explained by him having it on his clothes or bringing them home - while she isn't there, mind you - and the word of a lawyer that has been sketchy at best.

I don't think people are doing that. Saying there is a possibility she might have been aware and saying she was an active participant are not the same imo.

jmo

 

[Jurisprudence]

It’s wonderful that JR has been an advocate in Shannan’s case, but that does not directly correlate to the arrest of RH. It’s great he has kept this case in the media, etc., but as far as RH is concerned, as I understand it, that was a result of the Task Force, phone pings, vehicle description, and even the work of an initial investigator who notated the cell info at that time which ended up being on record for analysts to look at later. If I’m missing something that indicates JR had a part in RH’s arrest, please let me know. I have not had time to read every document, so if JR is mentioned in any of the documents, etc. then I stand corrected.

Just because one might not be buying everything JR is selling at this time, it doesn’t mean his previous efforts are negated. It’s understandable to consider what he is saying, considering his strong involvement in this case over the years and perhaps a trust that seems to have grown, but one must be very careful when doing this when such strong allegations are at stake. That’s all I’m saying. I don’t know what the case is either way, and neither does anyone here, but I’m sure not going to go along with accusing someone without presented proof. Again he claims to have the proof, so until this is shown, it is only fair imo to give someone the benefit of the doubt unless proven otherwise. It’s a free world, we can all have our thoughts and opinions, and I appreciate the opportunity to discuss different viewpoints and angles. Bottom line imo, JR is treading on very dangerous ground.

Unless I misunderstood his comments that have been posted here via video link many times I think he told us what he believes the connection is. He just hasn't told us how he knows (or has come to believe) of this connection. Does he know of information seized on his work computer? We do not know. But he seems confident that RH associated with like-minded people at minimum via the dark web, and therefore could hold the key to solving more of these unsolved homicides. And, he firmly believes AE knows more than she is saying (and has stated he has a witness to this). He seemed to be coming from a place of aggravation (running out of patience) and wants the coddling to stop and the pressure to start. Is it right or wrong? I won't attempt to judge. But I think in the end it's actually coming from a place of purpose, not attention seeking.

At least that's what I understood him to be saying. I could be completely wrong.

jmo