Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[loveplace]

On these matters in the case, I defer to those of you who are local.

There have been non-fiction books written on the topic.

Group Sex

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Today, its referred to as polyamory

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Plus, eight other tomes on the topic.

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Not being judgmental, but its not my thing.

Polyamory and swinging are NOT the same thing at all.

What’s The Difference Between Swinging And Polyamory?

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[Mountain_Kat]

I recall her hiding behind a couch.

I recall Brewer saying that Shannan spent, what he thought, was a long time in the bathroom (seemingly implying that she was in there doing drugs). But I don't recall him ever saying that she locked herself in the bathroom.

 

[NyxNY]

That sure sounds possible, especially with the other bodies found there. There probably aren't many places where he could tramp around in the woods.

But is that the location he called the taxi to, or just where he wanted her to drive to?

I also have to give major credit to the taxi driver's dispatcher who it seems took control of the situation, called LE and started yelling at Rex H to get out of the car.

ETA: In the affadavit, the taxi driver says she was called to a little road off Ocean Ave, in Ronkonkoma. Actually, that's over near JFK. Any idea where that might have been?

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For your first question, the cab driver's reply to his request for the long drive to the woods was that she would need to clear it with her dispatcher. That to me means that the destination differed from the one RH called in.

With reference to your second question, the airport(s) you see on the map are MacArthur Airport and a small private airport. JFK is closer to NYC. The area she speaks about in Ronkonkoma has a few seedy pubs in the area. The Backstage Pass at the train station, Shenanigans to name a couple. I am curious to drive around the area to see what "houses" are in view of these pubs where she saw a woman in the window, and also very curious WHO lived in that house.

 

[Betty P]

For your first question, the cab driver's reply to his request for the long drive to the woods was that she would need to clear it with her dispatcher. That to me means that the destination differed from the one RH called in.

With reference to your second question, the airport(s) you see on the map are MacArthur Airport and a small private airport. JFK is closer to NYC. The area she speaks about in Ronkonkoma has a few seedy pubs in the area. The Backstage Pass at the train station, Shenanigans to name a couple. I am curious to drive around the area to see what "houses" are in view of these pubs where she saw a woman in the window, and also very curious WHO lived in that house.

Great info! Yes, a small bar sounds like a good possibility for a business with a parking lot on a residential street. It also has some woods next to the parking lot. Recall she said he walked into the woods and shot his gun twice. Was the other woman he referred to a SW?

Remember his co-worker who said he stalked her even while on a vacation cruise? He got a kick out of tracking people, setting up little schemes. He was "hunting".

Co-worker: Rex Heuermann once unnerved her by tracking her down on a cruise: "I told you I could find you anywhere"

Exclusive details about the NYC architect accused of being the Long Island serial killer, his life and how he may have been hiding in plain sight for more than a decade.

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[kevmoley]

A few things bothered me about the press conference: First, everything mentioned was hearsay and a press conference was held on that info. 2nd, the wife of the beast was attacked at the Press Conference without any true evidence to prove what was said about her. Lastly, I have a hard time believing the story of a couple seeing a posting inside a club in Manhatten for a party at a house all the way out in Long Island and they simply decide to go plus pick up a prostitute to take with them. It does sound a little far fetched IMO.

 

[waldojabba]

My main takeaway from this press conference:

One witness claims Heuermann had sex with the male acquaintance she arrived with.

Witness (two seperate witnesses?) claims family was in the house while sex between RH and swingers and/or sex workers was happening.

NYPD narcotics cop that went to RH's house with witness to "swing" tried to calm witness down when she became concerned with RH's treatment of (witness identifies as) Karen Vergata.

My question: was the NYPD narcotics cop an accomplice to RH?

Also curious - why didn’t they name the NYPD narcotics cop who she was with or have him also write out an affidavit ? Or just even say that they contacted him and he had no comment. Are they trying to tell that cop they are on to him and know his identity. And could he even be a part of the task force and that is why this whole presser was separate and distinct from them. Which btw spoke volumes

I am still noodling what the end game of that presser was.

Seemingly good info for the investigation but imo not anything the public needed to know at this point.
The motive is either very simple or there is a twist somewhere.
-Rex frequented sex workers. A lot. Ok. Stands to reason he may have been with some of the other victims plus countless others.
-Asa may have been a swinger and known Rex had sex workers in the house. Ok.

No sure how you get to murder of anyone else from JRays info but good to know as you investigate.

The part from the cabbie/banker about Rex in camo and she drives him to the woods and hears two gun shots - when and where?

JMO

 

[NyxNY]

Great info! Yes, a small bar sounds like a good possibility for a business with a parking lot on a residential street. It also has some woods next to the parking lot. Recall she said he walked into the woods and shot his gun twice. Was the other woman he referred to a SW?

Remember his co-worker who said he stalked her even while on a vacation cruise? He got a kick out of tracking people, setting up little schemes. He was "hunting".

From the affidavit: "He indicated that we had to pick up a girl from the house across the street". IMO, yes, it was a sex worker

 

[Just K]

The witness spoke of driving for a cab company out of Sayville, NY. That's not too close to Manorville, but it is close to Heuermann's house. I want to look around that area.

Just checked. Sayville is about halfway between Massapequa and Manorville

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Would that be near that huge wooded area just down the street from his home or close to his storage units?

 

[gatewood88]

Well, Harrison was never a part of the past corrupt SCPD or part of Spota’s crew but RM, he has a history Re: the old Suffolk County political machine. I know who I believe.

Spota faces scrutiny for lawyer's reduced conviction

The Suffolk County district attorney is reportedly facing scrutiny from federal officials after a lawyer's drug conviction was vacated and then reduced. Robert Macedonio, a criminal defense attorney

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Wow

Well, Harrison was never a part of the past corrupt SCPD or part of Spota’s crew but RM, he has a history Re: the old Suffolk County political machine. I know who I believe.

Spota faces scrutiny for lawyer's reduced conviction

The Suffolk County district attorney is reportedly facing scrutiny from federal officials after a lawyer's drug conviction was vacated and then reduced. Robert Macedonio, a criminal defense attorney

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wow. That’s asa’s attorney? That’s some weird stuff that out of all the attorneys she could choose, this one seems to be tied into the party scene and corruption on LI…. Would love to know more about his cocaine arrest/conviction as well as who he associates with out there .. just seems really fishy…

 

[Betty P]

Polyamory and swinging are NOT the same thing at all.

What’s The Difference Between Swinging And Polyamory?

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Thanks for the clarification! I'm not an expert, so appreciate you pointing that out.

 

[Betty P]

Would that be near that huge wooded area just down the street from his home or close to his storage units?

Possible, but NyxNY thinks he might have been referring to Manorville.

I don't recall the location of his storage lockers, offhand, but recall they were close to his home.

ETA: Considering all the long cab rides, hotel/motel expenses, SW costs, etc. Its no wonder he never paid his bills. He spent all his money on his "hobbies". Also assume that's part of why is first marriage ended.

 

[Just K]

Possible, but NyxNY thinks he might have been referring to Manorville.

I don't recall the location of his storage lockers, offhand, but recall they were close to his home.

ETA: Considering all the long cab rides, hotel/motel expenses, SW costs, etc. Its no wonder he never paid his bills. He spent all his money on his "hobbies". Also assume that's part of why is first marriage ended.

Storage units were in Amityville. (Sp?)

 

[x_files]

So coincidental how strong incriminating evidence against Heuermann sat buried in files for 12 years. The witness who provided it was also frustrated that SCPD never followed up on it. Just one of many witnesses whose information was ignored and discredited, but DNA and digital data proved it to be true.

I have a feeling that further investigations of these new witnesses information will also validate their stories. Will it just be buried again after November?

Why was Asa Ellerups hair found on two of the victims bodies? Why does she have her own attorney?

Will anyone in LE continue to investigate all of Heuermann’s digital data to see if there are connections to people at Oak Beach? It’s not a stretch of the imagination. For a serial killer, Rex H was a very social guy, liked to join groups.

Theres a strong impression, JMO, that this investigation isn’t complete.

I think corrupt police officers knew what Rex was up to, and wanted to hide their own involvement in swinger sex worker parties.

 

[x_files]

A few things bothered me about the press conference: First, everything mentioned was hearsay and a press conference was held on that info. 2nd, the wife of the beast was attacked at the Press Conference without any true evidence to prove what was said about her. Lastly, I have a hard time believing the story of a couple seeing a posting inside a club in Manhatten for a party at a house all the way out in Long Island and they simply decide to go plus pick up a prostitute to take with them. It does sound a little far fetched IMO.

Not to me it doesn't.
There's a whole dark underbelly out there.

 

[Betty P]

Not to me it doesn't.
There's a whole dark underbelly out there.

It was stated that Rex Heuermann also hung out at that club. It was near his Manhattan office. They may have known him from the Manhattan club. Plus, the male of the couple was an NYPD detective. As the witness stated in her affadavit, she assured the worried SW, who rode in the car with them, that she would be safe because her partner was LE. She felt very guilty that they ended up leaving the young SW at Heuermann's house because she seemed afraid of Rex.

A lot of this information will be easy for SCPD to verify. They have Heuermann's data from computers, internet, burner cell phones, car tracking, etc. They also have all of his financial records and can track his spending for many years in the past.

They found camo, guns and survivalist gear at his home, too. JMO, they can verify the witnesses's claims. She and John Ray know this. Having signed an affidavit, she may be required to testify in court, under oath.

 

[NyxNY]

Storage units were in Amityville. (Sp?)

Amityville or the Massapequa Park Reserves are about 20 miles away. I suppose it could be anywhere, but long drive and woods spoke to me as Manorville, especially because there is a Manorville connection somehow. IMO, MOoooo, and all that stuff.

 

[x_files]

It was stated that Rex Heuermann also hung out at that club. It was near his Manhattan office. They may have known him from the Manhattan club. Plus, the male of the couple was an NYPD detective. As the witness stated in her affadavit, she assured the worried SW, who rode in the car with them, that she would be safe because her partner was LE. She felt very guilty that they ended up leaving the young SW at Heuermann's house because she seemed afraid of Rex.

A lot of this information will be easy for SCPD to verify. They have Heuermann's data from computers, internet, burner cell phones, car tracking, etc. They also have all of his financial records and can track his spending for many years in the past.

They found camo, guns and survivalist gear at his home, too. JMO, they can verify the witnesses's claims. She and John Ray know this. Having signed an affidavit, she may be required to testify in court, under oath.

I guess we will find out during the trial, but I don't find the wild sex club swinger thing far-fetched at all, I find it quite plausible, and makes sense that Rex had LE friends.

 

[madamx]

That sure sounds possible, especially with the other bodies found there. There probably aren't many places where he could tramp around in the woods.

But is that the location he called the taxi to, or just where he wanted her to drive to?

I also have to give major credit to the taxi driver's dispatcher who it seems took control of the situation, called LE and started yelling at Rex H to get out of the car.

ETA: In the affadavit, the taxi driver says she was called to a little road off Ocean Ave, in Ronkonkoma. Actually, that's over near JFK. Any idea where that might have been? Is Ocean Ave also called Hook Creek Blvd? There are some streets off Ocean Ave that have areas of woods. She said he stepped out of some woods that were at the edge of a parking lot. Across the street there was a residence where people saw what was going on.

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JFK? Iam confused because there is an Ocean Ave in Ronkonkoma.

 

[Just K]

I guess we will find out during the trial, but I don't find the wild sex club swinger thing far-fetched at all, I find it quite plausible, and makes sense that Rex had LE friends.

Yes, and let’s not forget the CCC crew over at Utopia Guide. They spoke of groups that had b()()cake sessions on some of the SWs, they rated them and spoke of vendettas against some- possibly Amber and her sister, Kim. I still think he would have easily been a part of that group. They had similar hobbies, territories and establishments in common.

 

[Ursamajr]

Also curious - why didn’t they name the NYPD narcotics cop who she was with or have him also write out an affidavit ? Or just even say that they contacted him and he had no comment. Are they trying to tell that cop they are on to him and know his identity. And could he even be a part of the task force and that is why this whole presser was separate and distinct from them. Which btw spoke volumes

I bet they know who the narcotics cop is. Maybe Harrison even knows him personally if they happened to both be in NYPD narcotics at the same time in the 90s. Imagine that. That would be a fantastic reason as to why Harrison was standing next to John Ray during this presser. I can't see this witness signing an affidavit yet not giving the name of the cop who was also at Heuermann's house.

NYPD cops and sex workers notoriously have had a strange symbiotic relationship. Something I have hesitated to say before here: Immediate family... Lieutenant... NYPD... 70s-90s. I have stories. It was not abnormal for police to fraternize with the sex workers and most knew who was walking the streets - especially in their precincts. It was not unheard of for cops and sex workers to have friendly interactions on one day then the next slow day rough them up during an arrest and send them to jail overnight. You could say for sport. Example... one day a cop might throw some garbage out of their car window while passing a known sex worker in the crosswalk, laughing hysterically because their outfit is now soiled and then the next day pull over and have a friendly chat with them and tell them to keep it off their "beat" tonight. Maybe they save a dead rat or two to throw at sex workers for fun when they drive by and still tell the stories to this day. NYPD cops treating sex workers inhumanely is something I have heard a lot of first hand stories about. I think its safe to assume SCPD is similar considering all we know already.

The internet changed how things work a bit but it is still true that both cops and sex workers still need to have those symbiotic relationships to keep in business.

To keep this case active and to keep the witnesses coming in, Harrison needs to show (quite literally) he stands apart from the exact cops that most of these witnesses have most likely had interactions with in the past. I think the presser was a smart move.