Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Ruminations]

Agree
According to Rodney Harrison in the interview posted upthread and reposted here - the 4 witness statements will be investigated and if found to be credible they will go from there.
As of right now nothing in those statements from the four witnesses that came forward to JRay has been verified.
So yes Asa is def still a victim.
So interesting to me that so many want to believe anything and everything “bad” about her. I am not sure what the rush is to trash her. If her status changes and it’s warranted there will be plenty of time

Rodney also indicated imo that he stood by John Ray in the press conference to signal to the public that he wants as much info and as many tips through whatever channel the informants wants to deliver it. That all tips are going to be investigated by the task force but if someone is not comfortable submitting tips directly to the task force they should use whatever channels they are comfortable with.
He was not standing by JRay to indicate that the information JRay was delivering was credible.
And he also seemed to acknowledge that he knew the identity of RW- the narcotics LE guy mentioned in the statement about driving out to the Island to Rex’s with Karen
to “swing”.
JMO

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I have yet to encounter a single poster here that wants to believe anything bad about AE or anyone else.

The most helpful posters want to make sense of known information, or identify other areas to look for clues.

The less helpful want to divide posters into white and black hats,

But I have yet to encounter a poster who "wants" to believe bad stuff. It's more that people are able to believe credible stuff.

MOO

 

[Ruminations]

If she is AWARE her husband is guilty I would hope she's talk!

100%! But it really doesn't matter if she is aware of his guilt or not.

Asa would not be privy to what LE knows and does not know, and would not have any idea what tidbits of information could help them build a case against her husband, weaken the case against her husband, or identify another suspect. Therefore she would never know unless she made herself available if she could help their investigation or not.

It's rather strange to me that anyone would think she could not be helpful just because she's not a suspect.

Rex is presumed innocent, but the info given when LE argued for keeping him in custody made it clear to me that he belongs in jail. I get not throwing your husband under the bus, but I also get wanting a very credibly charged serial murderer to face the music. "It is what it is," means to me that it is understood that the facts have to be dealt with. I was under the impression that no matter how unpleasant it may have been, Asa understood the arrest. It's a very different statement from, "There must be some kind of mistake." She lived with the accused. Of course she would have helpful information. She just might not know what information she holds is helpful.

One thing that came to my mind, if Rex is the wrong guy or not the only guy, but the lifestyle stories are true, Asa and/or Rex might have very helpful leads for new suspects.

MOO

 

[Just K]

100%! But it really doesn't matter if she is aware of his guilt or not.

Asa would not be privy to what LE knows and does not know, and would not have any idea what tidbits of information could help them build a case against her husband, weaken the case against her husband, or identify another suspect. Therefore she would never know unless she made herself available if she could help their investigation or not.

It's rather strange to me that anyone would think she could not be helpful just because she's not a suspect.

Rex is presumed innocent, but the info given when LE argued for keeping him in custody made it clear to me that he belongs in jail. I get not throwing your husband under the bus, but I also get wanting a very credibly charged serial murderer to face the music. "It is what it is," means to me that it is understood that the facts have to be dealt with. I was under the impression that no matter how unpleasant it may have been, Asa understood the arrest. It's a very different statement from, "There must be some kind of mistake." She lived with the accused. Of course she would have helpful information. She just might not know what information she holds is helpful.

One thing that came to my mind, if Rex is the wrong guy or not the only guy, but the lifestyle stories are true, Asa and/or Rex might have very helpful leads for new suspects.

MOO

Absolutely!

 

[Mountain_Kat]

What I find credible is Harrison was at the press conference.

But, I think you bring up great points.

The photo of Karen released last summer was not current to the time she went missing - was she identifiable to a one-night friend by an old photo? It was mentioned in the news that Karen was last heard from on Valentine's Day. I recall seeing photos of the Heurermann living room with a Christmas tree. A belt has been in the news. LE involvement in the case has been long speculated. I recall a neighbor of Heurermann mentioning he once saw Rex start a fire in the middle of the night. Karen running outside a house reminds me of known info about Gilbert. The basement has been in the news. Rex's place of employment in midtown is known info.

Her info could have been gleaned by paying attention to the news coverage. ?

Yeah, I would be skeptical....but would Harrison be at the press conference if the witness wasn't legit? Idk!

jmo

And this is exactly why I am flabbergasted that Harrison agreed to do this press conference. By his own admission, LE hasn't vetted the information these witnesses have brought forward, and yet here is the SCPC standing there, appearing to lend credibility to these accounts. There was absolutely no benefit to the investigation by doing this presser, and there is everything to lose in terms of Harrison's reputation should any of this info turn out to be mistaken, unverifiable, or straight up BS.

JMO

 

[Baby baby Jane]

And this is exactly why I am flabbergasted that Harrison agreed to do this press conference. By his own admission, LE hasn't vetted the information these witnesses have brought forward, and yet here is the SCPC standing there, appearing to lend credibility to these accounts. There was absolutely no benefit to the investigation by doing this presser, and there is everything to lose in terms of Harrison's reputation should any of this info turn out to be mistaken, unverifiable, or straight up BS.

JMO

Maybe effort on Harrison/LE to send message to public that police will consider all witnesses / evidence. If Harrison stands there, he doesn’t need to have his own presser to “address” Mr Ray statements and criticisms. Ray doesn’t get to criticize LE if they are in the room, Harrison giving appearance of being all on the same team by just standing there.

 

[CuriousCricket]

Maybe effort on Harrison/LE to send message to public that police will consider all witnesses / evidence. If Harrison stands there, he doesn’t need to have his own presser to “address” Mr Ray statements and criticisms. Ray doesn’t get to criticize LE if they are in the room, Harrison giving appearance of being all on the same team by just standing there.

Indeed. Saying, "We need YOUR information" no matter who, no matter where. Give LE the info and let us decide if it's relevant. Harrison has perhaps realized that the Heuermann reach has gone into thousands and thousands of lives and memory banks -- perhaps in areas LE would never even think to investigate otherwise. To be able to thoroughly investigate, LE needs those memories. Please, just tell SOMEONE.

 

[waldojabba]

Indeed. Saying, "We need YOUR information" no matter who, no matter where. Give LE the info and let us decide if it's relevant. Harrison has perhaps realized that the Heuermann reach has gone into thousands and thousands of lives and memory banks -- perhaps in areas LE would never even think to investigate otherwise. To be able to thoroughly investigate, LE needs those memories. Please, just tell SOMEONE.

Agree. That is exactly what Rodney pointed out in his interview with Joe. Hopefully it has the desired effect and people come forward. Fingers crossed
JMO

 

[Betty P]

And this is exactly why I am flabbergasted that Harrison agreed to do this press conference. By his own admission, LE hasn't vetted the information these witnesses have brought forward, and yet here is the SCPC standing there, appearing to lend credibility to these accounts. There was absolutely no benefit to the investigation by doing this presser, and there is everything to lose in terms of Harrison's reputation should any of this info turn out to be mistaken, unverifiable, or straight up BS.

JMO

Harrison isn't going to reveal anything about their investigation to the public at this time. He has met with one of the witnesses, he will meet with the others. LE had already begun investigating the connections to one of the murders over a week ago. Harrison was probably there to let the public know that they feel the leads from these women are worth investigating and to encourage others to come forward, whether to LE or to JR.

Harrison was also using the opportunity to let the public know that they are actively investigating the connections between Rex H and the other victims. Some of those victims haven't been identified yet so Harrison really needed to reassure the public that they would finally get around to doing DNA analysis and genetic genealogy on those victims, too.

John Ray has kept these victims in the spotlight and I'm sure Harrison appreciates that.

 

[fred&edna]

Joseph Giacalone is scheduled to have John Ray on tomorrow evening - Friday 7pm ET. 'Just an FYI for anyone curious. I have no idea how interesting or non-interesting this may be. My guess is it will primarily be a rehash of everything JR said at the PC. jmo

https://www.youtube.com/@JosephGiacalone

 

[Ruminations]

And this is exactly why I am flabbergasted that Harrison agreed to do this press conference. By his own admission, LE hasn't vetted the information these witnesses have brought forward, and yet here is the SCPC standing there, appearing to lend credibility to these accounts. There was absolutely no benefit to the investigation by doing this presser, and there is everything to lose in terms of Harrison's reputation should any of this info turn out to be mistaken, unverifiable, or straight up BS.

JMO

I don't want to argue, but I cannot understand your point of view at all.

I don't think Harrison "admitted" to what you said. He just acknowledged that LE is keeping an open mind about this and all information relevant to the investigation.

John Ray was able to get these witnesses; LE was not and even ignored one of them when she attempted to report through crime stoppers. Harrison had 2 choices: ignore the information and let it be "only" per John Ray, or accept the information and improve it by witnessing some of the depositions. This adds a lot of value, because Ray is not in LE/prosecution. Harrison could participate in getting the most useful information from a LE/prosecutor POV. In addition, Harrison as an extremely respected professional who represents LE shows potential witnesses that LE means it (now, if not previously) when they say they want tips.

I'm unable to identify a single thing to lose with Harrison's support of the witnesses that approached John Ray.

But his not supporting these witnesses working with John Ray could mean their information was not as useful to LE because nobody was there from LE to make sure the needed questions were asked. Those witnesses had really potent information. The information could only be made better with Harrison partnering up with Ray.

MOO

Edited to add: it is baseless to claim the info might be straight up BS. The information was vetted by Ray and Harrison.

 

[Mrs.A]

I don't want to argue, but I cannot understand your point of view at all.

I don't think Harrison "admitted" to what you said. He just acknowledged that LE is keeping an open mind about this and all information relevant to the investigation.

John Ray was able to get these witnesses; LE was not and even ignored one of them when she attempted to report through crime stoppers. Harrison had 2 choices: ignore the information and let it be "only" per John Ray, or accept the information and improve it by witnessing some of the depositions. This adds a lot of value, because Ray is not in LE/prosecution. Harrison could participate in getting the most useful information from a LE/prosecutor POV. In addition, Harrison as an extremely respected professional who represents LE shows potential witnesses that LE means it (now, if not previously) when they say they want tips.

I'm unable to identify a single thing to lose with Harrison's support of the witnesses that approached John Ray.

But his not supporting these witnesses working with John Ray could mean their information was not as useful to LE because nobody was there from LE to make sure the needed questions were asked. Those witnesses had really potent information. The information could only be made better with Harrison partnering up with Ray.

MOO

Edited to add: it is baseless to claim the info might be straight up BS. The information was vetted by Ray and Harrison.

To me, the conflict shows up because of Tierney's office statement. It makes it seem like the different members of the task force are going in different directions and don't trust each other. Of course, I hope it is not true.

I also understand why John Ray wants the affidavits publicly discussed since this investigation has been polluted by corruption and dissmisal from the beginning.

 

[Sleuth_Noob]

I don't want to argue, but I cannot understand your point of view at all.

I don't think Harrison "admitted" to what you said. He just acknowledged that LE is keeping an open mind about this and all information relevant to the investigation.

John Ray was able to get these witnesses; LE was not and even ignored one of them when she attempted to report through crime stoppers. Harrison had 2 choices: ignore the information and let it be "only" per John Ray, or accept the information and improve it by witnessing some of the depositions. This adds a lot of value, because Ray is not in LE/prosecution. Harrison could participate in getting the most useful information from a LE/prosecutor POV. In addition, Harrison as an extremely respected professional who represents LE shows potential witnesses that LE means it (now, if not previously) when they say they want tips.

I'm unable to identify a single thing to lose with Harrison's support of the witnesses that approached John Ray.

But his not supporting these witnesses working with John Ray could mean their information was not as useful to LE because nobody was there from LE to make sure the needed questions were asked. Those witnesses had really potent information. The information could only be made better with Harrison partnering up with Ray.

MOO

Edited to add: it is baseless to claim the info might be straight up BS. The information was vetted by Ray and Harrison.

100% in agreement…well said.

 

[Mrs.A]

The information I would be most interested in regarding Shannan learning is how Peter Hackett is involved that night when Shannan was last heard from. How on earth did he have her mom's phone number? Did Shannan stay at his house for some period? What PH at Joe Brewer's home and took her phone to get the number at some point? Flabbergasting.

I know he's been cleared, but I have been listening again to old episodes of podcasts and the reactions of Brit and Ashley are right on. Who the heck is PH in SG's story?
SERIAL KILLER: L.I.S.K. | Crime Junkie Podcast

 

[CuriousCricket]

It makes it seem like the different members of the task force are going in different directions and don't trust each other. Of course, I hope it is not true.

Harrison addressed the different perspectives on the podcast with Joe Giaclone. Harrison considers it simply a difference of opinion, common with work colleagues.

10/24/2023 I really like Harrison's way of giving credit to everyone else. And that's everytime I've heard him speak. Not everyone is that generous with the credit.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I also don't want to argue. John Ray is a private attorney with a vested interest in this case. If others here don't agree that the SCPC shouldn't be standing next to him at a press conference discussing witness information that hasn't even been properly vetted by LE...well, I honestly don't know what to say to that. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

[Friday13]

there is a scene out east....I knew someone who used to hit those sex clubs in Manhattan in the 80's. these people are sexually very jaded and into some sick stuff. they get addicted to it. None of this stuff surprises me...
but it is sad and depressing to me that all this stuff went on around the children of these people...in their home which is supposed to be a safe place. I don't judge people, but honestly there is no such thing as wholesome swinging..it's seamy and dangerous ...

mOO

Not just out East….I know someone that is heavy into the scene….one of the main organizers of the events they attend is a cop. The people that dabble in that lifestyle are as seemingly average in almost every way. Most hold very normal jobs and live a strait laced lifestyle on the 9-5 circuit. Western Suffolk is a hotbed of swinger activity.

 

[fred&edna]

John Ray | Gilbert Family Attorney

 

[minazoe]

if you want an earful/eyeful read the Peter Hackett depositions. jaw dropping..I think there is a thread??? sorry can't remember! mOO

 

[dotr]

if you want an earful/eyeful read the Peter Hackett depositions. jaw dropping..I think there is a thread??? sorry can't remember! mOO

Maybe this thread?

Discussions about the Court Docs in the case of Estate of Gilbert vs Hackett

I just finished the first depo I assume there's more after I plow through the word key pages etc. This is the closest I have ever felt to Hackett who I used to call Hatchet in all these years.. He truly is a prevaricator and just plain old sociopath type who will talk you in circles with all his...

www.websleuths.com

 

[Baby baby Jane]

The information I would be most interested in regarding Shannan learning is how Peter Hackett is involved that night when Shannan was last heard from. How on earth did he have her mom's phone number? Did Shannan stay at his house for some period? What PH at Joe Brewer's home and took her phone to get the number at some point? Flabbergasting.

I know he's been cleared, but I have been listening again to old episodes of podcasts and the reactions of Brit and Ashley are right on. Who the heck is PH in SG's story?
SERIAL KILLER: L.I.S.K. | Crime Junkie Podcast

Sorry I can’t easy remember where I got the following info online but also just found most on Oxygen summary - I had same questions as you about PH. It said:
-PH got SG mom number from SG boyfriend who went to Oak Beach to search. Says he BF asked him to call Mari but PH says didn’t say what Mari claims he said.
-PH a police radio type of guy listening to all emergencies in his area. He had previously inserted himself into some events and exaggerated his involvement to get hero-type attention. A plane crash in area, spoke to press exaggerated his involvement and being hero and was caught in this lie. Known to police for this type of behavior.
-On night of SG, his wife and daughter home as alibi. Apparently all slept thru it & she didn’t bang on his door but his family spoke to police later that morning.
Apparently very unlucky man