Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[snarast]

Rodney Harrison was right that progress was made before him, and that progress can continue to be made after him. It will take a strong Commissioner. It will take the public to hold those charged with doing justice to do just that.

Yes, I think he was good at spearheading this effort, but hopefully there's a good reason his talents will be used elsewhere. I mean, here's to hoping anyway. And things are decidedly more on course now than they were before 2021. The only concern I have, really, is that the non-Gilgo4 victims get justice, regardless of family involvement etc but simply because they were human beings.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

This was, quite obviously, a serial-killer case. The only person not saying as much was the Suffolk County police commissioner, Richard Dormer. “I don’t want anyone to think we have a Jack the Ripper running around Suffolk County with blood dripping from a knife,” he said in a frenzied news conference. In fact, they had something almost exactly like that. All eyes were on the Suffolk Police now — wondering who killed these women, if they would ever find Gilbert and what it would take to solve the mystery.

The Botched Hunt for the Gilgo Beach Killer (Published 2023)

For 13 years, police failed to scrutinize the man now accused of the infamous murders. Why did it take so long?

www.nytimes.com

 

[girlhasnoname]

As to corruption in Suffolk County, NY. The history of several important characters within this case and people in government, LE and in Oak Beach is all very well documented. It’s possible that there are people in important positions that do not want any connection to RH or Gilgo Beach to be exposed.I will leave it at that to avoid ruffling feathers.

Also, this might be about money. If SC can limit the number of investigations into possible connections of the other six or seven bodies found on the parkway and the remains of other UID bodies, they will save money. That might be a part of the equation as far as ignoring certain tips.

Every single victim murdered by RH deserves to be named and investigated. These families and loved ones have a right to answers that have been denied them far, far too long. Justice delayed, is Justice denied.

MOO

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Every single victim murdered by RH deserves to be named and investigated. These families and loved ones have a right to answers that have been denied them far, far too long. Justice delayed, is Justice denied.

MOO

I agree with you 100%. What would be dangerous, though, would be for LE and the DA to try to prosecute RH for crimes he either didn't commit, or that can't be proven that he committed. If there's any evidence linking him to Shannan Gilbert, or Jessica Taylor or Karen Vergata , etc. I haven't seen it. Meanwhile, we have Maureen Brainard Barnes, who in all likelihood, was a victim of RH, and LE are STILL trying to find enough evidence to convict him in her case.

4 known victims...Megan, Amber , Melissa, and Maureen. Let's start there.

All MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

I agree with you 100%. What would be dangerous, though, would be for LE and the DA to try to prosecute RH for crimes he either didn't commit, or that can't be proven that he committed. If there's any evidence linking him to Shannan Gilbert, or Jessica Taylor or Karen Vergata , etc. I haven't seen it. Meanwhile, we have Maureen Brainard Barnes, who in all likelihood, was a victim of RH, and LE are STILL trying to find enough evidence to convict him in her case.

4 known victims...Megan, Amber , Melissa, and Maureen. Let's start there.

All MOO

Agreed, it's going to take time to further develop evidence, but I have no doubt that they'll continue to try and bring charges to RH where is is responsible. As they should IMO.

MOO

 

[Ruminations]

I agree with you 100%. What would be dangerous, though, would be for LE and the DA to try to prosecute RH for crimes he either didn't commit, or that can't be proven that he committed. If there's any evidence linking him to Shannan Gilbert, or Jessica Taylor or Karen Vergata , etc. I haven't seen it. Meanwhile, we have Maureen Brainard Barnes, who in all likelihood, was a victim of RH, and LE are STILL trying to find enough evidence to convict him in her case.

4 known victims...Megan, Amber , Melissa, and Maureen. Let's start there.

All MOO

That is hardly a danger. There is no reason to fear that an affidavit is going to be a reason the DA says, hey, let's try ol' Rex on this one, too.

Tierney certainly has the skill set and professional knowledge that he gets one shot at prosecution.

There are the GB4, with a suspect/defendant in custody. It's started. But I think you are dangerously close to suggesting, let's stop there.

We don't know how tangentially or how deeply connected Heuermann is to Vergata and Gilbert. But he is a witness. If he were willing, he could at least confirm or refute or add details to the information now offered. He probably won't, as he is charged with murder now. Yet it is good information as a starting point to gather more information which could very well develop to identify any suspect or suspects. Not necessarily Rex. And if more information develops that does put pressure on Rex, he might begin to have more reason to start talking to negotiate the quality his life serving his anticipated life sentence.

What if these leads make it clear that there is a co conspirator? Would it be fair for Rex to to the only one to go down (if convicted) for the GB4?

It seems you are trying to say that following these leads is some kind of distraction? Is that your point? Because if so, I'm at a loss. It seems that this information is material to possibly bring justice for additional victims, with only the possibility of enhancing information about the GB4 murders, and no possibility of harming the prosecution.

Serious question: what could be negative about following leads?

MOO

 

[Betty P]

I agree with you 100%. What would be dangerous, though, would be for LE and the DA to try to prosecute RH for crimes he either didn't commit, or that can't be proven that he committed. If there's any evidence linking him to Shannan Gilbert, or Jessica Taylor or Karen Vergata , etc. I haven't seen it. Meanwhile, we have Maureen Brainard Barnes, who in all likelihood, was a victim of RH, and LE are STILL trying to find enough evidence to convict him in her case.

4 known victims...Megan, Amber , Melissa, and Maureen. Let's start there.

All MOO

All of the deaths need to be fully investigated and all parties involved should be revealed, regardless of who they are.

Follow the evidence and witnesses.

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

All of the deaths need to be fully investigated and all parties involved should be revealed, regardless of who they are.

Follow the evidence and witnesses.

All of the deaths need to be fully investigated and anyone charged with a crime would be made public.
"All parties involved" sounds subjective to me.

 

[Betty P]

All of the deaths need to be fully investigated and anyone charged with a crime would be made public.
"All parties involved" sounds subjective to me.

I'm pretty sure investigating all parties involved is standard operating procedure for murder investigations. Officers, detectives, etc. talk to anyone and everyone who might have information. They go where the evidence and witnesses lead them.

For example, if a gang of thugs kills someone in the course of robbing them, the police don't stop with arresting the first gang member they can make a case against. Same goes for organized crime, etc. Just examples.

Here's a random example I just pulled up from the search "three men arrested for murder of". You could do the same using two or four, etc.

Three men arrested for open murder in deadly 2022 Sparks shooting

Three suspects are behind bars for their alleged involvement in a deadly shooting in Sparks in late 2022.Marc Delgado, 21, and Juan Anguiano, 19, and Raul Torre

mynews4.com

Google Search

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

I'm pretty sure investigating all parties involved is standard operating procedure for murder investigations. Officers, detectives, etc. talk to anyone and everyone who might have information. They go where the evidence and witnesses lead them.

For example, if a gang of thugs kills someone in the course of robbing them, the police don't stop with arresting the first gang member they can make a case against. Same goes for organized crime, etc. Just examples.

Here's a random example I just pulled up from the search "three men arrested for murder of". You could do the same using two or four, etc.

Three men arrested for open murder in deadly 2022 Sparks shooting

Three suspects are behind bars for their alleged involvement in a deadly shooting in Sparks in late 2022.Marc Delgado, 21, and Juan Anguiano, 19, and Raul Torre

mynews4.com

Yes, like I said, all those involved that are charged with a crime, as in your example. Arrests and court filings are public records that don't need to be "revealed".
Not the same as wanting "all parties involved names to be revealed, regardless of who they are" when that could mean a lot of things.
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[Betty P]

Yes, like I said, all those involved that are charged with a crime, as in your example. Arrests and court filings are public records that don't need to be "revealed".
Not the same as wanting "all parties involved names to be revealed, regardless of who they are" when that could mean a lot of things.
Edit correct quote

I’m not sure what the disagreement is here. When people are involved in the commission of a crime, especially a serious one like murder, we expect them to be held accountable.

That’s the way the criminal justice system is supposed to work.

 

[madamx]

I don't see this negating the work currently being done by the task force or impacting the stated commitments (by the county executive and DA) to continue the investigation of any new information and other unsolved/uncharged cases.

Right now, since 4 murders have been attributed to RH and 3 murder charges are already in court, no "tips" are needed to solve those murders.

Attorney Ray may not be satisfied with assurances that everything will be looked at, he also might not be satisfied with the possibility that his information is not pertinent to the murders or isn't evidence for a separate crime.

He certainly would know that a witness to an upset person, possibly assaulted, the claims about RH's wife and being at a swinger party, is not going to result in any legal action without identified cooperative witnesses and an actual crime being committed. I don't know what the public would like to see done at this point, we can't be advised of the status of the investigation into Ray's allegations.

Iam a bit confused with your “tips” statement?
I was under the impression more is better, especially in a case where nobody saw him killing the women or dumping them. I personally think the “tips” should keep coming. You never know how good a “tip” can end up being even after the person has been arrested. Hopefully they will investigate all “tips” that come in.

 

[Betty P]

Iam a bit confused with your “tips” statement?
I was under the impression more is better, especially in a case where nobody saw him killing the women or dumping them. I personally think the “tips” should keep coming. You never know how good a “tip” can end up being even after the person has been arrested. Hopefully they will investigate all “tips” that come in.

Tips are very important for all the LISK cases. Those cases were cold for so many years. Only recently has Rex been arrested and his image shared publicly. It stands to reason, many people will recognize him from incidents that happened a dozen or more years ago, when he’s alleged to have been stalking and murdering women. IOW, they can now put a name to the face.

Because the victims were sex workers, some SW who may have encountered Rex H back then will also recognize him. They also may recognize him, but need a safe way to work with LE. Their witness testimony is very important, even if it’s coming in a dozen years or so after the fact.

 

[Baby baby Jane]

Tips are very important for all the LISK cases. Those cases were cold for so many years. Only recently has Rex been arrested and his image shared publicly. It stands to reason, many people will recognize him from incidents that happened a dozen or more years ago, when he’s alleged to have been stalking and murdering women. IOW, they can now put a name to the face.

Because the victims were sex workers, some SW who may have encountered Rex H back then will also recognize him. They also may recognize him, but need a safe way to work with LE. Their witness testimony is very important, even if it’s coming in a dozen years or so after the fact.

Re: Swinger’s affidavit
Has the name of her boyfriend/swing partner been given to law enforcement. It’s clear from her statement that this man knew RH, knew what was going on and was part of the network of predators. Looks like he is more complicit or witness than the woman in house. It says JR knows who it is, but isn’t clear about if this TIP was given to LE.

 

[Ruminations]

Re: Swinger’s affidavit
Has the name of her boyfriend/swing partner been given to law enforcement. It’s clear from her statement that this man knew RH, knew what was going on and was part of the network of predators. Looks like he is more complicit or witness than the woman in house. It says JR knows who it is, but isn’t clear about if this TIP was given to LE.

Yes, the identity of the swinger's detective bf is known to John Ray, Rodney Harrison and presumably the task force. This was made clear by John Ray and Rodney Harrison.

He was given initials as a name to use in the narrative, but it was implied they are not his real initials.

MOO

 

[Betty P]

Re: Swinger’s affidavit
Has the name of her boyfriend/swing partner been given to law enforcement. It’s clear from her statement that this man knew RH, knew what was going on and was part of the network of predators. Looks like he is more complicit or witness than the woman in house. It says JR knows who it is, but isn’t clear about if this TIP was given to LE.

Yes, assume this information was given to LE. Pretty sure the person who submitted the tip has been interviewed. Its LEs responsibility to interview the witness and ask for that information. It’s part of the process.

 

[Ruminations]

I'm pretty sure investigating all parties involved is standard operating procedure for murder investigations. Officers, detectives, etc. talk to anyone and everyone who might have information. They go where the evidence and witnesses lead them.

For example, if a gang of thugs kills someone in the course of robbing them, the police don't stop with arresting the first gang member they can make a case against. Same goes for organized crime, etc. Just examples.

Here's a random example I just pulled up from the search "three men arrested for murder of". You could do the same using two or four, etc.

Three men arrested for open murder in deadly 2022 Sparks shooting

Three suspects are behind bars for their alleged involvement in a deadly shooting in Sparks in late 2022.Marc Delgado, 21, and Juan Anguiano, 19, and Raul Torre

mynews4.com

Google Search

I agree.

And wish to add, if this evidence pans out as useful, it might not be useful by finding more of Rex's "gang." He could have coconspirators, but even if he doesn't, we need this evidence.

it seems quite plausible that in the end, the GB4 were murdered by just one person, the current suspect and defendant.

But is does not seem plausible to me that Shannan was murdered by just one person. Whoever her murderer(s) are, they very well could all NOT be Rex Heuermann. We could be talking about leaving other murderers, potentially serial murderers, free, by ignoring tips.

The information offered by the witnesses COULD have been information that described events leading to Karen Vergata's murder, and if they do, it certainly sounds like RH was part of it in some way. But it also could have "just" been a terrifying abusive episode Karen was subjected to, which for its depravity, is on a whole other level than murder. If that is what it was, than this tip could still help lead the way to new witnesses and clues to identify new murderers for additional victims.

One of the longest running debated theories of LISK has been how many murders are we talking about. IMO the public ally available information supports many of the theories, and none of them can claim to be definitive. But here is our chance for some real answers to that question. Thanks to the task force, and thanks to these witnesses, we have a name for Karen, and very useful information about her and Shannan Gilbert.

Both Karen and Shannan have been linked to RH in these witness accounts, but clearly not on the day of the murder for Shannan, and possibly not for Karen. The evidence has to be followed. These tips might not find coconspirators of RH, they might find entirely new murderers.

MOO

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

Iam a bit confused with your “tips” statement?
I was under the impression more is better, especially in a case where nobody saw him killing the women or dumping them. I personally think the “tips” should keep coming. You never know how good a “tip” can end up being even after the person has been arrested. Hopefully they will investigate all “tips” that come in.

This is what I said:
"Right now, since 4 murders have been attributed to RH and 3 murder charges are already in court, no
tips are needed to solve those murders."

Tips led to the identification of RH as a person of interest, the DNA resulted in those murders being solved.
New or old information might lead to suspects in other murders, new information is not needed to identify RH or to get him charged (in 3 murders).


My comment was part of a longer conversation about the investigation of tips and possibly solving murders.
I am not saying that "tips" shouldn't be reported and investigated, as I have stated a number of times.
I am certainly not suggesting actual witnesses shouldn't come forward even for those specific cases that are already in court although I'm convinced that the existing evidence will result in a conviction.

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

I’m not sure what the disagreement is here. When people are involved in the commission of a crime, especially a serious one like murder, we expect them to be held accountable.

That’s the way the criminal justice system is supposed to work.

I don't know if there is a disagreement. I'm not sure you see the difference in your original statement and my response.

You said
"All of the deaths need to be fully investigated and all parties involved should be revealed, regardless of who they are."

And I said that all the deaths need to be fully investigated and anyone charged with a crime would be made public.

Since arrests and court filings are public records, it doesn't matter who they are and it can't not be revealed.
"All parties involved" sounds subjective to me, who is deciding that and if there is no crime charged, then a public claim that a person is "involved" is revealed by who?
BBM

 

[waldojabba]

Re: Swinger’s affidavit
Has the name of her boyfriend/swing partner been given to law enforcement. It’s clear from her statement that this man knew RH, knew what was going on and was part of the network of predators. Looks like he is more complicit or witness than the woman in house. It says JR knows who it is, but isn’t clear about if this TIP was given to LE.

In an interview with Rodney Harrison done with Joe G after the presser with JRay Rodney seemed to indicate that he knew who the LE guy was referenced in the affidavit. No further mention was made as to where that info came from. JMO