Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Betty P]

Since arrests and court filings are public records, it doesn't matter who they are and it can't not be revealed.
"All parties involved" sounds subjective to me, who is deciding that and if there is no crime charged, then a public claim that a person is "involved" is revealed by who?

It will be up to the DA or a Grand Jury to decide whether to charge someone who might also be involved. Investigation, witnesses and evidence help make that decision, just as they do for any other crime such as these. Grand Jury testimony can't be revealed if no charges are brought against someone, or at least that's the way it works in most states.

Witness affidavits and tips are important to solving crimes. It's up to LE to investigate them.

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

It will be up to the DA or a Grand Jury to decide whether to charge someone who might also be involved. Investigation, witnesses and evidence help make that decision, just as they do for any other crime such as these. Grand Jury testimony can't be revealed if no charges are brought against someone, or at least that's the way it works in most states.

Witness affidavits and tips are important to solving crimes. It's up to LE to investigate them.

In regards to what is found in the continuing investigation, I've repeatedly said that only arrested/charged persons would have their names made public so I don't know why you're explaining the same thing to me. I am also stating that only arrested/charged persons should have their names made public, which is not the same as "all parties involved, regardless of who they are".

If your original post is asking for only arrested/charged to be named, please disregard my posts.

You said
"All of the deaths need to be fully investigated and all parties involved should be revealed, regardless of who they are."

 

[dotr]

Clip at link.

Rex Heuermann’s Neighbor Tells “Dateline” He “Immediately” Had A Bad Feeling About Him

Jimmy Mack, Rex Heuermann’s former neighbor, speaks with Andrea Canning in his first TV interview about “immediately” having a bad feeling about Heuermann. More this Friday at 9/8c.

www.nbcnews.com

''Jimmy Mack, Rex Heuermann’s former neighbor, speaks with Andrea Canning in his first TV interview about “immediately” having a bad feeling about Heuermann. More this Friday at 9/8c.Nov. 7, 2023''

 

[sds71]

The special also examines the death of Shannan Gilbert, whose remains were found on Gilgo Beach in December 2011. Speaking out for the first time since Heuermann’s arrest, Shannan’s sister calls for Suffolk County Police Department to reopen her sister’s case: “I want them to really give it a fresh set of eyes…I want them to be extremely transparent about the investigation. I just want answers.” Heuermann has not been charged in connection with Shannan’s case. Click here to watch the exchange. Transcript below.

ALL-NEW FRIDAY "DATELINE NBC" INVESTIGATES THE GILGO BEACH MURDERS - NBC News Press Releases

Special Features Insiders in Case Speaking Out, Including Former Colleagues & Neighbors of Alleged Killer PLUS: Family of Shannan Gilbert, Whose Remains Were Found on Gilgo Beach, Call For Her Case to Be Reopened ‘The Hunt for the Gilgo Beach Killer’ Airs Friday at 9 pm ET/8pm CT, Click Here...

press.nbcnews.com

 

[Betty P]

Sources: Estranged wife of Gilgo Beach murder suspect working with streaming service

A significant amount of people were seen at the Heuermann home on Thursday speaking with the family, carrying lighting and transporting family members to and from another house located about two blocks away.

longisland.news12.com

 

[Betty P]

But is does not seem plausible to me that Shannan was murdered by just one person. Whoever her murderer(s) are, they very well could all NOT be Rex Heuermann. We could be talking about leaving other murderers, potentially serial murderers, free, by ignoring tips.

JMO, this is an important point that needs to be emphasized. There were many victims found out on Long Island. So far, only 3 and possibly a 4th are tied to Rex H. While he may be linked to some of the other victims, its also very possible that there was another killer out there who targeted SW.

The LISK Task Force is still taking and investigating tips because they don't know if Heuermann was the only killer. There may be another killer out there. They need to gather and review all relevant information. There are a lot of people living on Long Island.

 

[Betty P]

The special also examines the death of Shannan Gilbert, whose remains were found on Gilgo Beach in December 2011. Speaking out for the first time since Heuermann’s arrest, Shannan’s sister calls for Suffolk County Police Department to reopen her sister’s case: “I want them to really give it a fresh set of eyes…I want them to be extremely transparent about the investigation. I just want answers.” Heuermann has not been charged in connection with Shannan’s case. Click here to watch the exchange. Transcript below.

ALL-NEW FRIDAY "DATELINE NBC" INVESTIGATES THE GILGO BEACH MURDERS - NBC News Press Releases

Special Features Insiders in Case Speaking Out, Including Former Colleagues & Neighbors of Alleged Killer PLUS: Family of Shannan Gilbert, Whose Remains Were Found on Gilgo Beach, Call For Her Case to Be Reopened ‘The Hunt for the Gilgo Beach Killer’ Airs Friday at 9 pm ET/8pm CT, Click Here...

press.nbcnews.com

This special is asking some very good questions: What was Rex Heuermann doing all the time since the bodies were discovered? What was the trap he was setting to lure these women in? How did he choose his victims? It also sounds like they're going to talk more about the tips the victims' friends sent in to LE.

Also great that they feature Shannan Gilbert's sister to talk about the investigation into her death.

 

[sds71]

Estranged wife of Gilgo Beach murder suspect working with streaming service News 12 can confirm through multiple sources that Asa Ellerup, the estranged wife of Gilgo suspect Rex Heuermann, is working with a major streaming service.A significant amount of people were seen at the Heuermann home on Thursday speaking with the family, carrying lighting and transporting family members to and from another house located about two blocks away.

https://longisland.news12.com/sources-estranged-wife-of-gilgo-beach-murder-suspect-rex-heuermann-visits-him-in-jail

 

[Just K]

Estranged wife of Gilgo Beach murder suspect working with streaming service News 12 can confirm through multiple sources that Asa Ellerup, the estranged wife of Gilgo suspect Rex Heuermann, is working with a major streaming service.A significant amount of people were seen at the Heuermann home on Thursday speaking with the family, carrying lighting and transporting family members to and from another house located about two blocks away.

https://longisland.news12.com/sources-estranged-wife-of-gilgo-beach-murder-suspect-rex-heuermann-visits-him-in-jail

Both of these developments might prove tobe quite revealing.

 

[Ruminations]

Both of these developments might prove tobe quite revealing.

ugh. Why doesn't she go to LE with whatever this is, or John Ray if she doesn't trust them.

MOO

 

[dotr]

Gilgo Beach suspect Rex Heuermann’s colleagues reveal what it was like working with alleged serial killer: ‘Wasn’t easy at all’

Gilgo Beach suspect Rex Heuermann’s former colleagues are opening up about the accused serial predator.

nypost.com

Nov 9 2023
''Suspected Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann’s former co-workers claim he was so “aggressive,” they didn’t want to be in the same room.

“He was very assertive, maybe even leaning to the point of being aggressive,” luxury real estate salesman Jeffrey St. Arromand said of the hulking architect.

He described his first impressions of Heuermann, 59, to Andrea Canning of “Dateline” in a clip of Friday’s episode exclusively shared with The Post.''

''Another person involved in the project was so troubled by Heuermann, “she just didn’t feel comfortable with him at all,” St. Arromand explained.

“She was like, ‘I do not wanna be in the office when he comes and pick up the check,’” he recalled.''

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

Both of these developments might prove tobe quite revealing.

Unfortunately, working with a streaming service could be lucrative. I hope that isn't what is going on here.

 

[Betty P]

ugh. Why doesn't she go to LE with whatever this is, or John Ray if she doesn't trust them.

MOO

It's possible she has. They wouldn't make that public, now that Rex H has been arrested and charged. Let's hope she has information she wants to share.

 

[FromGermany1]

Gilgo Beach suspect Rex Heuermann’s colleagues reveal what it was like working with alleged serial killer: ‘Wasn’t easy at all’

Gilgo Beach suspect Rex Heuermann’s former colleagues are opening up about the accused serial predator.

nypost.com

Nov 9 2023
''Suspected Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann’s former co-workers claim he was so “aggressive,” they didn’t want to be in the same room.

“He was very assertive, maybe even leaning to the point of being aggressive,” luxury real estate salesman Jeffrey St. Arromand said of the hulking architect.

He described his first impressions of Heuermann, 59, to Andrea Canning of “Dateline” in a clip of Friday’s episode exclusively shared with The Post.''

''Another person involved in the project was so troubled by Heuermann, “she just didn’t feel comfortable with him at all,” St. Arromand explained.

“She was like, ‘I do not wanna be in the office when he comes and pick up the check,’” he recalled.''

<modsnip: not victim friendly>
The compassionate neighbor was right, when the daughter got her driver license and the neighbor thought: Drive away, poor girl, and never come back to that home!
Home or business - equally toxic, probably.

 

[Jurisprudence]

Possible gun charges coming
jmo

ETA: In this same video JR states that more affidavits and evidence has come in since his presser with Commissioner RH (at 4:25)

 

[Justice101]

Sorry, just asking if they have tied any of the other murders to RH other than the 3?

 

[Ruminations]

Sorry, just asking if they have tied any of the other murders to RH other than the 3?

Maybe. No new information is released, but no changes have been made to Rex' being the prime suspect in the 4th GB4.

There is more promising information to investigate that MIGHT tie Heuermann to Karen Vergata and/or Shannan Gilbert.

The information makes it seem extremely unlikely that he never encountered either of the women, although murder is a whole new thing. While it is reasonable to take the information and speculate that he will become a suspect, it is also a fact that the information when investigated may not lead to Rex. The new evidence could help find witnesses and get new information, leading to entirely different murderers.

Whether the information ties him to their murders remains to be seen. But the information does give hope that their murder investigations can move forward.

MOO

 

[Betty P]

Maybe. No new information is released, but no changes have been made to Rex' being the prime suspect in the 4th GB4.

There is more promising information to investigate that MIGHT tie Heuermann to Karen Vergata and/or Shannan Gilbert.

The information makes it seem extremely unlikely that he never encountered either of the women, although murder is a whole new thing. While it is reasonable to take the information and speculate that he will become a suspect, it is also a fact that the information when investigated may not lead to Rex. The new evidence could help find witnesses and get new information, leading to entirely different murderers.

Whether the information ties him to their murders remains to be seen. But the information does give hope that their murder investigations can move forward.

MOO

Right. More will be learned when they finally identify the other victims. Not all of the victims had the testing and genetic genealogy work done yet to determine who they are. Like the other victims, once they know identities, they can investigate, where they lived, find witnesses who saw them last, etc.

Here's another good article about whether there are connections between Rex and victims who had body parts in both locations, as well as the one linked to Fire Island.

Rex Heuermann’s peculiar connection to ‘Manorville Butcher’ and victims’ scattered body parts

Four of the victims – known as the “Gilgo Beach 4” – have been connected to Heuermann, who is believed to be “LISK,” short for Long Island Serial Killer.

nypost.com

Who are the victims known as the 'Gilgo Four?' | Investigation timeline

The four victims were found within a quarter mile of one another.

abc7ny.com

It will be interesting to see if they can make a connection to Rex and victims whose body parts were found at both Gilgo Beach and Manorville. So far, AFAIK, that connection hasn't been made to him. That's such a puzzling part of these murders - the victims whose remains were found at GB and Manorville. Who did that and why?

ETA:
Jessica Taylor, one of victims whose remains were found at Manorville & Gilgo Beach was wrapped in burlap.

Jessica Taylor, First Gilgo Beach Serial Killer Victim To Be Identified, Was Found 20 Years Ago Wednesday

Twenty years ago on the morning of July 26, 2003, a woman walking her dog along secluded Halsey Manor Road in Manorville discovered a body that was later identified as that of Jessica Taylor. Eight years later, her additional remains were found 50 miles away on the side of Ocean Parkway.

www.longislandpress.com

Valerie Mack was the other victim whose death looked similar to Rex H's work. TBH, though, LE said serial killer Bitrolff was also a hunter. IIRC, I don't think he wrapped his victims in burlap, though. He posed them in sexual positions and they had one shoe removed. See link below.

2 other Gilgo Beach victims were tied up like a ‘hunter’ did it: investigator

MANORVILLE, Long Island (PIX11) — Wednesday marked 20 years since the headless and handless body of Jessica Taylor, a 20-year-old escort working out of New York City, was discovered in the wo…

pix11.com

 

[Betty P]

Possible gun charges coming
jmo

ETA: In this same video JR states that more affidavits and evidence has come in since his presser with Commissioner RH (at 4:25)

JR mentioned the new witness info in his talk on a recent podcast. It sounds like another person contacted him.

Sure, no reason why Rex shouldn't face gun charges, too.

 

[madamx]

RH has been linked to Waterman’s body through a hair found on her that was his. 3 hairs were supposedly found on her remains, another of which is linked to Asa. According to what I have heard the other 2 remains RH has been charged with each had a hair of Asa’s on them, not his. When and how did they obtain Asa’s DNA……. RH’s was obtained from the pizza box but what about Asa? Was it before Rex was arrested or after ? All that has been said is she is a victim, and was away each time Rex acted. Her lawyer has instructed her not to talk.
I ask because I watched the Court TV piece and am having a tough time buying into the whole story as presented. It was more like a made for TV , over dramatized , 3 ring circus. Her lawyer tells her not to talk , yet here she is ? The program made a big deal about his guns , yet he has only been accused of waving around a pistol, none of the victims were shot, they were supposedly strangled. There is a lot missing that obviously we aren’t privy too, but it seems that with each press conference, TV show, etc there are more questions raised than settled. How in the world can anyone say that the first 3 murders are solved and tips are not needed for those 3 cases? The more we hear the more convoluted the cases get! JMO