Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[snooptroop88]

Agreed! It seems like RH's murder of Sandra Costilla, along with RH's "HK" horror, are possibly reflecting a somewhat unexpected twist in the investigation. Arguably, it's moving now more towards Ray's narrative of RH not necessarily being such a "solo" actor. Ray's had the goods on that idea all along, so it's incredibly interesting to see it starting to slowly inch towards that. But how wide is the circle?? Is there indeed any circle? Really wondering if Bittrolff a part ot it if it exists.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

One thing that particularly stood out to me is this planning document is dated 2002-2004. He makes clear references to " last time" and " next time ". We know that Jessica Taylor went missing in 2003. Do we have any victims from 2002 or 2004 ? Anyone know ?

 

[Izzylizzy]

I so hope Asa isn’t involved. I really, really want her to be innocent.

So does her lawyer Bob Macedonio.
Her being out of town is his go-to that everyone is expected to accept as gold standard evidence.

 

[Gerontion]

I wonder why? I'm extremely curious about his decision to remove them. Just to see how his mind works.

My thought, he shaved away his sideburns because they didn’t fit under his hair net(s)!
Sorry if this was already posted.

 

[SkylarSid]

Think about the divorce.
Filing looks as if she is shocked.
But she mostly likely knew she would not have to testify, as his wife.
So she doesn't go through with it

She might be a helluva lot smarter than I had been thinking

Or she has a smart lawyer..

 

[willy wagtail]

Does New York have ANPR cameras? If so how long have they been in place?

 

[Deleted member 117884]

Does New York have ANPR cameras? If so how long have they been in place?

What are ANPR cameras?

 

[willy wagtail]

What are ANPR cameras?

Automatic number plate recognition cameras

 

[Izzylizzy]

Reminder of Asa's track record...kind of

Filed for divorce, possibly stopped it.
Was going to sell the house
Stayed instead.
Double flipped off the media.
Peacock signing.
She insisted her hubby was “not capable” of carrying out the four murders and that she was giving him “the benefit of the doubt.”
Says she will decide after evidence is presented in court.
She says that if Heuermann did commit the murders he was "living a double life" she knew nothing about it.
She posts a sign to LE and others "do not trespass."

And lest we forget the affidavit.

The first witness, Ray said, went to Heuermann’s house for a sex party in February 1996 with her boyfriend, who was a cop, and Vergata. Heuermann’s wife, Asa Ellerup, was at the house when they arrived, the witness said in an affidavit. The witness said that Vergata went downstairs and that Heuermann and her boyfriend vanished for a while. During that time, she spoke with Ellerup, who said that Heuermann had “brought her from her country and that everything she had, he has given her,” the affidavit states.

Victim Lawyer: Gilgo Beach Suspect Tied to 2 More Dead Women

And Rex Heuermann’s wife was allegedly in the house when he had escorts over for basement sex sessions.

www.thedailybeast.com

AE didn't budge after RH was also charged with the murders of Jessica Taylor & Sandra Costilla.


"Ms. Ellerup married Rex Heuermann in 1996. She was not residing with Rex Heuermann in the Massapequa Park domicile in 1993, the year Ms. Costilla was murdered," attorney Robert Macedonio wrote in a written statement. "At the time of the death of Ms. Taylor, Ms. Ellerup was, once again, not in the jurisdiction. As we have previously stated, if Mr. Heuermann committed these homicides, he was living a double life that Ms. Ellerup was unaware of."

The attorney noted that his client still maintains Heuermann "is not capable of committing these heinous acts."

Accused Gilgo Beach killer Rex Heuermann charged with two more murders, including previously unknown victim

The New York City architect arrested last year in connection with a string of cold case bodies found on Long Island’s Gilgo Beach has been charged with murder in the deaths of two more victims, including one whose name hadn’t been publicly associated with the investigation prior to Thursday...

www.nbcwashington.com

 

[Deleted member 117884]

Automatic number plate recognition cameras

Looks like cameras capturing license plate information was in use in NY state during Rex's active years:

"The concept of using cameras as a method to record a vehicle passing through a specific location and then identifying the owner/operator has been in development since the 1970s. Early technology could capture a picture of a license plate and vehicle with the date and time"

This tech info is beyond my interest to research, but this NY government document might be useful to anyone who wants to delve into it and report back.

https://www.criminaljustice.ny.gov/ofpa/pdfdocs/finallprguidelines01272011a.pdf

 

[Ruminations]

One more comment and then I'm going to just shut up and read. A sworn affidavit is meaningless if it can't be presented in a court of law. Since (so far) John Ray doesn't represent any of the known victims, or their families , he can't present this "swinger party" affidavit in a court of law. And after seeing this witness in an interview with Banfield, I would be SHOCKED if Ray Tierney ever put her on the witness stand.

All JMO

I hope things are changing. I know there is a history of SCPD and related agencies refusing some information and not talking to witnesses. But we HAVE seen change. We did see Rodney Harrison supporting John Ray's ability to correct for Crime Stopper's refusal to take information.

The swinger witness has extremely important eye witness information placing Karen Vergata at Rex Heuermann's house. If he is ultimately charged with her murder, I will be shocked if her testimony is not used.

The night-time cab driver has very useful information if Rex is ever charged in Shannan's murder. If it turns out that someone else murdered her, I guess it is not as useful.

An affidavit does add a tremendous amount of credibility. Anyone can say anything on the 6 O'Clock News without legal fallout for lying. An affadavit is sworn, under penalty of perjury.

If the affidavits were false, the person giving them could be sued civilly for defamation and charged legally for perjury. These things are not happening. Because it is not defamation or perjury if when it is true.

Thank goodness we have John Ray and the additional valuable information he provides.

MOO

 

[Izzylizzy]

I think having to wait 24 hours to find out is going to make me a bit crazy.
Trying hard Not to jump to any conclusions. It could be as simple as Asa knew he visited SW and was OK with it.

IMO:
I don't see that as being simple.
I think it opens up Pandora's Box for the investigators.
She very well could have had an "open secrets" marriage.

Which to me makes a hell of a lot more sense then her claims of being oblivious and if her husband did indeed do what he's been charged with then it is he that lived a "double life".

 

[Just K]

My thought, he shaved away his sideburns because they didn’t fit under his hair net(s)!
Sorry if this was already posted.

Excellent theory!

 

[Gerontion]

Excellent theory!

Thanks, Just K. Last time I saw you we were searching a swamp behind Hacketts house! And Fred&Edna was there and Truthspider and Peter Brendt and Hawkshaw and Flukeyou ……… those were the days! Who ever would have thought we’d be where we are today in this case? 10 years ago Hawkshaw was correct about everything!

 

[Diddian]

I've seen Heuermann Kills on here, I've seen Hunt Kill. Happy Killer. These sound like good ideas for this.

It's interesting, though, that we've got initial set "HK" now in the discussion and the other set of important initials he introduced before was with the belt, WH. And it's kind of interesting, WH upside down becomes HM. HK upside down is backwards "K" and H. All the inversion and so forth is almost certainly overthinking it, but does he have any relatives with initials HK or KH? Because that WH is the grandfather.

It not likely there's the same type of thinking between this set of initials on the document and the set with the belt. The initial set on the belt (WH) was left with a victim's remains, RH had to wonder if LE would someday find it. The "HK" was buried in a deleted file. But I'd still be curious to know if any victims or any of his relatives had those initials.

HK could also represent “Human Kills,” in which case, I wonder if RH also kept - and perhaps did NOT delete - documents in which he recorded his success or plans for improvement in other types of hunts - such as AK (Animal Kills) or WK (Wildlife Kills or Waterfowl Kills).

 

[Izzylizzy]

He is quirky but he gets the job done.
Last October he held a press conference. Ray said that new evidence has been uncovered that could link Heuermann to Karen Vergata.

As it stands, with that affidavit signed by the witness, it looks like Ray did have it right.

I wish I could agree with "Ray did have it right"about the witness but as far as I know nothing has been confirmed about LP's story, ex-NYC narc boyfriend and Karen Vergata.
Anyone?

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I wish I could agree with "Ray did have it right"about the witness but as far as I know nothing has been confirmed about LP's story, ex-NYC narc boyfriend and Karen Vergata.
Anyone?

I got nothin'.

 

[Warwick7]

To be clear, AE filed for divorce at the beginning. Yet nothing had happened since. Many of us on WS wrote that we feared RH had gotten to her emotionally and mentally.

"He indicated he was very happy to see her," Heuermann's defense attorney Michael Brown said. "My understanding is she doesn't believe he was capable or committed these acts.
If this happened, Rex was living a complete double life. Nobody would like to believe their spouse is capable of any of these heinous crimes," Ellerup's attornery Robert Macedonio said."

MOO is he did get to her. When she double flipped off the public it really burned me.

We have on the record that she doesn't believe he was capable or committed these acts. But "she" through his atty buffers herself while saying if this happened, Rex was living a complete double life."

Not long after enters John Ray stage left center right, so to speak, and posts:

 

[Just K]

Thanks, Just K. Last time I saw you we were searching a swamp behind Hacketts house! And Fred&Edna was there and Truthspider and Peter Brendt and Hawkshaw and Flukeyou ……… those were the days! Who ever would have thought we’d be where we are today in this case? 10 years ago Hawkshaw was correct about everything!

And if RH did both Gilgo4 and Manorville (dismemberments) that opens up this case to so many unsolved missing and murdered NY cases. Some big names in those mentioned were adamant that there were two separate murderers. I fear this RH, who traveled up and down the East Coast, for 30 years or more, and to Nevada and places unknown to us, will have many dozens of murders under his belt.

 

[twall]

Has any MSM announced JR's presser he has scheduled for tomorrow?