Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Izzylizzy]

Has any MSM announced JR's presser he has scheduled for tomorrow?

CBS had reported on the presser that John Ray & Rodney Harrison held last October.

• New witnesses come forward with information in Gilgo Beach murders​

  Investigators say they're interviewing four new people who could connect more cases to suspect Rex Heuermann.
  • OCT 18, 2023

 

[Betty P]

I'm not in the habit of telling grown ups how to spend their time, and that was not the point I was trying to make at all. LE can, and should, vet any and all information they deem relevant. But until they are able to actually charge RH with the murder of Karen Vergata , a sworn affidavit is pretty meaningless.

IMO

I don't think John Ray expected them to charge RH with her murder based only on the affidavit he supplied to the prosecution. His intent has been to raise these questions, interview these witnesses who came forward on their own and encourage Suffolk County DA's office to continue investigating and interview witnesses who have information.

John Ray is an attorney. He's knowledgeable about what prosecutors need and he knows they can't charge anyone based on the witness affidavit. His concern is that the DA's office not brush off these witnesses when they call, but interview them and investigate further based on that information. Apparently, Tierney's office did follow up on that particular witnesses' account. Previously, when she had submitted the tip to police, no one ever returned the call. The DA's office ignored a lot of relevant tips in the past that would have caught RH much sooner.

 

[Betty P]

i am honestly not trying to make light of anything but i'm curious to who writes a press release like this other than a tech savvy teen in 2001? that font color is OFFENSIVE

He's not doing it to impress people on social media. He doesn't have the budget for a professional PR agency. I think it looks fine. It's clear and concise. JMO

 

[Ruminations]

Ironically, I don’t see RH connected to Shannan. I think her death was as sad and tragic as just getting lost in that swamp. It would be too much of a coincidence that she died that death while escaping RH. Although she was escaping a couple of guys who were up to no good (Brewer and Paks). If Paks had done the job he was hired for (Shannan’s driver) she wouldn’t have died. He abandoned her.

I don't see any room to doubt that Shannan was murdered.

She did not drown. She was face up. There is a way to prove drowning from bone tissue, and SCPD pointedly chose not to attempt to prove drowning. It wasn't that cold. It was easy to see out of the bramble.

She called 911. She said there were people after her. She is heard trying to be forced out of Brewers house, but she is afraid to leave. After what sounds like a struggle, Shannan screams and runs out of the house. She bangs on several doors. The phone goes dead. She is last reported seen by Barbara B. It is getting light. Everybody claims to just go on with their day like nothing happened. Oak Beach residents give absurd, conflicting stories about what happened, including calling Shannan's mother then denying it, only to admit it when the call was proven. The police refuse to release the 911 call for years, but do write Newsday with false information about its contents. When the call is finally released, LE give a press conference misrepresenting still its contents. It's contents is clearly a series of events just before a murder, or at the very least a recording of people trying to deliver Shannan to harm and accidentally killing her in the process of trying to do so.

I agree Pak did not protect Shannan that night. I agree that we don't have a way to connect that evening to Rex Heuermann.

MOO

 

[maamager]

He's not doing it to impress people on social media. He doesn't have the budget for a professional PR agency. I think it looks fine. It's clear and concise.

moo i don't need to be impressed, but black font times new roman size 12 is what most document softwares default to and is typically the most readable

 

[Betty P]

John Ray also showed up not long after the DA did to RH's house while LE were extracting things from the house last week.

He is not only Shannan Gilbert family's lawyer, but a lawyer for other victims of RH.

That said. John Ray made it clear Gilbert didn't get lost in a swamp and died. Her neck was broken BEFORE she was found in the swamp and had a hole drilled through her head

Gilgo Beach victim attorney denies police claims of 'tragic accident'

Shannan Gilbert's relatives hit out at officers for claiming her disappearance in Long Island in 2010 was not suspicious.

www.dailymail.co.uk

There was a hole drilled in her hyoid bone. Just a helpful, minor correction. There's a lot of information at the link below about the second autopsy that was done on Shannan.

Family Attorney: New Autopsy Finds Shannan Gilbert's Death 'Consistent With Homicidal Strangulation'

New independent autopsy results found that the death of a New Jersey prostitute, whose body was discovered on Long Island near 10 other victims of a suspected serial killer, is "consistent with homicidal strangulation," the family's lawyer says.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Gerontion]

“Her neck was broken BEFORE she was found in the swamp and had a hole drilled through her head……

The part of her neck that was broken was the Hyoid bone. It is very common for this bone to detach when a body becomes a skeleton. It simply detaches. It is also true that this bone can be manually detached during a strangulation. It was this same bone that had the 3/16 hole in it. That doesn’t surprise me for such a small delicate bone that laid outdoors through several seasons. It is not as if there was a hole drilled through Shannan’s head. And John Ray doesn’t even mention that Shannan had a partial metal jaw. That hole could have been formed during that operation.
But I will give John Ray all the credit for getting the 911 call released. It is still hard for me to believe that actually happened after all we went through years ago!

 

[IDK]

i understand anyone having pause about JR. you have to walk a tight line of being respectful, fair, aggressive in your search for the truth, but sensitive to all sort of road blocks etc etc and he doesn't always get it right... but i remember at JR's last presser about the swinger stuff and who was standing right beside him.

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I always wondered if Harrison was there to rein JR in if he started to cross a line. Just a thought.

 

[Ruminations]

I think we also have to pump the brakes a bit because RH hasn't been charged with the murder of Karen Vergata ( not yet, anyway ) . If he can't be charged with Vergata's death, all of this is meaningless anyway.

JMO

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I, for one, am of the opinion that there are very good reasons to speculate that Rex may be tied to Karen's murder. I don't think this is a runaway train.

MOO

 

[Betty P]

The part of her neck that was broken was the Hyoid bone. It is very common for this bone to detach when a body becomes a skeleton. It simply detaches. It is also true that this bone can be manually detached during a strangulation. It was this same bone that had the 3/16 hole in it. That doesn’t surprise me for such a small delicate bone that laid outdoors through several seasons. It is not as if there was a hole drilled through Shannan’s head. And John Ray doesn’t even mention that Shannan had a partial metal jaw. That hole could have been formed during that operation.
But I will give John Ray all the credit for getting the 911 call released. It is still hard for me to believe that actually happened after all we went through years ago!

Respectfully, I wanted to point out that the ME who conducted the second autopsy did think there was something unusual about her hyoid bone, etc.

 

[fred&edna]

I wonder how difficult and how much time it would take LE officers to verify info contained in the affidavits obtained by JR? 'Seems quite difficult but I don't really know.

 

[Izzylizzy]

I'm not in the habit of telling grown ups how to spend their time, and that was not the point I was trying to make at all. LE can, and should, vet any and all information they deem relevant. But until they are able to actually charge RH with the murder of Karen Vergata , a sworn affidavit is pretty meaningless.

IMO

Yet without LP's sworn affidavit was LE looking into RH and Karen?
Had they even considered trying to see if there was a DNA connection?
Did LE ever consider looking to see if Asa was out of town around Valentine's Day 1996?
Did LE ever consider looking to see what date Rex married Asa, was it after the news broke that partial remains (Jane Doe #7-Fire Island) aka Karen Vergata had been found on Fire Island on April 20,1996 so they;d be married and she couldn't be compelled to testify against him.
LP put Karen Vergata back in the LE spotlight and for that I know I'm grateful no matter the outcome.

 

[Friday13]

i am honestly not trying to make light of anything but i'm curious to who writes a press release like this other than a tech savvy teen in 2001? that font color is OFFENSIVE

Honestly, it’s probably better than anything I can do. I’m not a savvy person around computers or technology. I’m not interested in how it looks, but rather it’s content, IMHO

 

[Just K]

What was interesting about "belief" is that LP said that "she believes she had sex with RH".
As much as I want her claims to be true about Karen Vergata I don't get how someone can remember all she claims to and not remember for certain if she did or didn't have sex with him.

My first impression of her saying that was that perhaps she was a SW and this was one night of countless group encounters. She might not remember the sex but remembers violence or a crying and running naked woman.

 

[Ruminations]

I'm not in the habit of telling grown ups how to spend their time, and that was not the point I was trying to make at all. LE can, and should, vet any and all information they deem relevant. But until they are able to actually charge RH with the murder of Karen Vergata , a sworn affidavit is pretty meaningless.

IMO

I'm sorry, but could you please explain this to me.

A witness saw a known murder victim in the home of a 6 time accused murderer, accused of murdering in that home. She was naked and afraid.

The witness is willing to state this under penalty of perjury.

Further, the witness's boy friend is known to LE. The witness has been vetted by the Commissioner of Suffolk County Police Department.

How could this be meaningless? It is much more reliable than if, for example, the witness only stated this in the media. And we sleuth on media reports all the time.

This is much better information than we usually have to work with. I am perplexed that this can be dismissed as "meaningless."

MOO

 

[maamager]

i don't think i am saying anything new here, but how this is all developing to be (somehow) darker and darker, i am finding myself increasingly bone-chilled by RH's zoning specialty. i'll explain

RH allegedly kept the victims for days and made a call to melissa’s sister,“I just killed your sister and I’m going to watch her body rot.” I believe he returned to the victims, especially the G4. imo he wrapped them in burlap to slow decomposition.

now for the zoning part, ocean parkway is extremely desolate at night. we know RH placed the bodies close together in a secluded spot (between wantagh pkwy and robert moses) so he could see headlights from a mile away in either direction. this would give him time with the bodies while watching for cars.

fyi also, someone found that a rare bird started nesting there, making the beach off-limits to people. these are the little things zoning experts know all about and why he was a subject matter expert. also the NYS DEC monitored piping plovers on that beach since 1998, making parts of it inaccessible.

 

[Ruminations]

I wonder how difficult and how much time it would take LE officers to verify info contained in the affidavits obtained by JR? 'Seems quite difficult but I don't really know.

They don't owe us the results of their vetting. But Harrison implied he vetted the swinger witness.

It does seem like some of the recent search of Rex's house was based on that witness's information, being that they took paint chips and a window that seemed related.

MOO

 

[SleutherGirl]

It does seem like some of the recent search of Rex's house was based on that witness's information, being that they took paint chips and a window that seemed related.

MOO

They took the whole window? I wonder why?

 

[Izzylizzy]

I wonder how difficult and how much time it would take LE officers to verify info contained in the affidavits obtained by JR? 'Seems quite difficult but I don't really know.

John Ray said that Harrison spoke with the Taxi witness and 2 detectives spoke with LP the swinger and they knew who the ex NYC narc boyfriend is and I don't remember if it was then that it was said they did make contact with him but Ray later on said that the ex-boyfriend did have a history that lines up with LP's claims, guess he meant swinging and Ray said he came from Springfield Gardens, Queens NY,

Harrison was aware what the outcomes were after speaking with the 2 women and obviously felt comfortable enough to appear with Ray;

Another poster here had also pointed to Harrison knowing that there may be those that refuse to contact LE with info about RH and they should then contact Ray.

 

[Izzylizzy]

i understand anyone having pause about JR. you have to walk a tight line of being respectful, fair, aggressive in your search for the truth, but sensitive to all sort of road blocks etc etc and he doesn't always get it right... but i remember at JR's last presser about the swinger stuff and who was standing right beside him.

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Amen.