Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[fred&edna]

I'll say this, if anyone in my family were ever accused of a serious crime, the first thing I would do would be to delete my accounts. I have seen what social media does to innocent people. It's terrifying.

Wouldn't you retain an attorney first? Delete accounts 2nd?

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Wouldn't you retain an attorney first? Delete accounts 2nd?

Heck no ! I have seen how quickly these vulture pounce.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Go to any high school art competition and you will see all kinds of morbid and shocking art made by teenage girls.

How many of their daddy's are sitting in jail on 6 counts of torturous murder along with an ongoing investigation into possible future counts of murder?

IMO:
VH's art affinity far transcends the definition of "morbid" or "shocking".

 

[YourM0m]

lol, let me try again.

The press conference was about VH's violent art and the similarities to crime scenes from her childhood and even before she was born. The crimes are alledged done by her father.

Now, Tierney in a "doth protest too much," way indicates that murders are around times Asa leaves town. This pattern so far holds, but he does not have receipts that Asa was out of town the entire time that victims were missing.

I had made the point that even if the family knows nothing that they can identify the relevance of, they know things that LE knows the relevance of. Such as the new tire hypothetical.

John Ray has questioned the bizarrely adamant support by LE for the narrative that the family are not witnesses. LE can just be neutral. They can say the family is cooperating and giving us all the information that they have. They should mention the travel patterns, because it could make any witness remember something. But they don't need to do say more than there are no other suspects at this time.

John Ray previously has rather thoroughly debunked that Asa knew nothing about swinging. In addition, Asa was home when something criminal was happening to Karen Vergata, it appears. This does not mean Asa committed a crime or recognized that she witnessed one. Asa could have over-rationalized it or over trusted Rex and the detective, just as the witness did. But, it removes the possibility that Asa is clueless.

Today, John Ray exposed VH interests and art. There were many themes that can't be coincidence. It is not just what young people are into. John Ray is inferring that this means VH knew explicitly, although I don't make the same inference. I think it may be any number of things including VH being extremely drawn to LISK and not knowing why. It can be as horrid as her witnessing things she has painted, even by sneaking into the verboten torture room after school but before Dad got home.

In any case, she knows something. Whether it is a feeling she got when Dad saw her art, or what she walked into home from the first grade, and is forever burned in her memory, she has something. John Ray has shown us that.

John Ray is a hero in this case. So I hesitate to say this. It is true, but please do NOT use it to twist my words into anything to suggest other than that he is one of the few people bucking a huge power bloc and moving this case forward. I for one do not think that hairs at crime scenes, wrapped babies, multiple hair nets or art depicting murder, torture, rape and dismemberment point to a supportive role in crimes. But it is just my opinion. Because of John Ray we have data and information to develop theories and work leads. I don't have to agree with all the inferences made by John Ray to deeply appreciate all of the information we have only because of him.

MOO


Edited to add the less subtle detail:

Yeah. The family is making more than a million on this case. Peacock deal.

MOO

I was in the middle of typing a response, but there is no need to. As your response is 100x more concise & eloquent. Bravo to all of this.

 

[AugustWest]

The only purpose of the presser, imo, is to pressure Rex's family into providing information that could lead to more victims. Other than that, I don't see what the point was.

jmo

I wonder if John Ray has ever heard the phrase "honey draws more flies than vinegar."

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I wonder if John Ray has ever heard the phrase "honey draws more flies than vinegar."

Vinegar sells.

 

[x_files]

The PC was shocking, to say the least.

 

[x_files]

Vinegar sells.

I'm curious if that's why he took the angle he did.

 

[Warwick7]

lol, let me try again.

The press conference was about VH's violent art and the similarities to crime scenes from her childhood and even before she was born. The crimes are alledged done by her father.

Now, Tierney in a "doth protest too much," way indicates that murders are around times Asa leaves town. This pattern so far holds, but he does not have receipts that Asa was out of town the entire time that victims were missing.

I had made the point that even if the family knows nothing that they can identify the relevance of, they know things that LE knows the relevance of. Such as the new tire hypothetical.

John Ray has questioned the bizarrely adamant support by LE for the narrative that the family are not witnesses. LE can just be neutral. They can say the family is cooperating and giving us all the information that they have. They should mention the travel patterns, because it could make any witness remember something. But they don't need to do say more than there are no other suspects at this time.

John Ray previously has rather thoroughly debunked that Asa knew nothing about swinging. In addition, Asa was home when something criminal was happening to Karen Vergata, it appears. This does not mean Asa committed a crime or recognized that she witnessed one. Asa could have over-rationalized it or over trusted Rex and the detective, just as the witness did. But, it removes the possibility that Asa is clueless.

Today, John Ray exposed VH interests and art. There were many themes that can't be coincidence. It is not just what young people are into. John Ray is inferring that this means VH knew explicitly, although I don't make the same inference. I think it may be any number of things including VH being extremely drawn to LISK and not knowing why. It can be as horrid as her witnessing things she has painted, even by sneaking into the verboten torture room after school but before Dad got home.

In any case, she knows something. Whether it is a feeling she got when Dad saw her art, or what she walked into home from the first grade, and is forever burned in her memory, she has something. John Ray has shown us that.

John Ray is a hero in this case. So I hesitate to say this. It is true, but please do NOT use it to twist my words into anything to suggest other than that he is one of the few people bucking a huge power bloc and moving this case forward. I for one do not think that hairs at crime scenes, wrapped babies, multiple hair nets or art depicting murder, torture, rape and dismemberment point to a supportive role in crimes. But it is just my opinion. Because of John Ray we have data and information to develop theories and work leads. I don't have to agree with all the inferences made by John Ray to deeply appreciate all of the information we have only because of him.

MOO


Edited to add the less subtle detail:

Yeah. The family is making more than a million on this case. Peacock deal.

MOO

Bam!!
And yes Peacock will pay out the nose.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I'm curious if that's why he took the angle he did.

I've seen him have at least 1 Youtuber post a cash app to some mysterious foundation he says he runs, so who knows ?

 

[LadyL]

Wouldn't you retain an attorney first? Delete accounts 2nd?

Again, they already have representation.

 

[fred&edna]

Bam!!
And yes Peacock will pay out the nose.

They are likely working on sequels already.

 

[fred&edna]

Again, they already have representation.

I'm sorry @LadyL, I was asking @Mountain_Kat because he/she mentioned previously they'd hire an attorney (it was a bit of an inside joke). Also, I already explained my legal representation comment earlier. Should I link my posts for reference to settle the confusion?

ETA: Actually, see my post#503 which is reply to you regarding previous misunderstanding you had earlier.

 

[svpernin]

I was rooting for John Ray, I always have rooted for him and assumed good intentions beneath the showmanship… but the level of low he sunk to today changed the game for me.

 

[Ruminations]

That's NOT what I said, please re-read my post.
POSSIBLY EXPOSED TO.
That makes her a VICTIM.
I've stated this CLEARLY. Please re-read.

"She was not out of state during her entire childhood. She lived at that house with her Mother and Father, unless they state she NEVER lived with Father nor visited her ever she was most likely exposed to something she should not have been exposed to, and as a child could not comphrend.
She could have accidentally looked at some of her father's photos.
It stuck in her subconscious."

You were clear, and made a great point.

I think people are twitchy because it was an upsetting day.

MOO

 

[Izzylizzy]

I agree NEW info to me NOT NYPD.

Back to LE having VH's social media contents.

Ray said at the beginning of his presser that he sent LE the info he about VH, invited them to attend and never heard back from them.

Is this what you were referring to in the presser about the NYPD having VH's info?

 

[IDK]

There is legal representation and there is legal representation.

The family has the latter. The kind that appears out of the woodwork. The kind with a criminal history. The kind that says things that makes their own client appear physically and mentally sick gratuitously. The kind that publicly denounces LE on behalf of the family when LE was investigating many murders and prepared to charge on three, making the family come off as extremely callous towards the victims. The kind that publicly blames LE for not speaking to their client when LE did. The kind that publicly tells their client not to talk about the case with the defendant, even though they are in theory NOT the defendants lawyer. The kind that manages to turn an international outpouring of sympathy and support for the client, support that was new in Massapequa Park, because neighbors who were unwilling to befriend the whole family reached out to the family after Rex's arrest, into international contempt. Lawyers that literally want to sell guns at a murder premium more than they want to find out facts of alledge serial killing.

I don't judge someone for having legal representation. Nor do I think it is at all an indication of something to hide. Especially in a case like this, where media drones are buzzing your house. I could see hiring a lawyer/spokesperson. I can't see not having one.

But this crew? I do judge Asa for tolerating them and not finding ethical representation.

MOO

I can’t judge her for that. If I were in the water surrounded by hungry sharks, I would want the equivalent to protect me.

That’s also why I can’t judge her for making rude gestures to the media. The type of outlets that are out there filming RH’s family and interviewing neighbors while they try to live their life are not generally highly esteemed journalists. IMO, at least.

 

[x_files]

You were clear, and made a great point.

I think people are twitchy because it was an upsetting day.

MOO

I agree. I just want to be clear I do not cast blame on anyone except RH who is the adult parent.
No one can choose their parents.

 

[Warwick7]

I was rooting for John Ray, I always have rooted for him and assumed good intentions beneath the showmanship… but the level of low he sunk to today changed the game for me.

I am shaking my head.

There is a high probability she was never complicit in her father's activities.

That said, as a member said earlier, her drawings, her art, her images, her sketches are gory and depict sexualized murderous torturous violence.

Some have details that are reminiscent of the charged murders. A missing shoe. Violence to genitalia post-mortem. An arm cut at the elbow. Marsh grass in the background.

She presumably produced these as a young adult, but the murders happened much earlier, as a member reminded us.

Is it possible to me she looked through her fathers things or was told about her fathers crimes- and she is processing as an artist would?

John Ray knows what he is doing and is good at it. Bam!!

MOO and thank you to a previous member who brought these thoughts to my mind.

 

[svpernin]

I am shaking my head.

There is a high probability she was never complicit in her father's activities.

That said, as a member said earlier, her drawings, her art, her images, her sketches are gory and depict sexualized murderous torturous violence.

Some have details that are reminiscent of the charged murders. A missing shoe. Violence to genitalia post-mortem. An arm cut at the elbow. Marsh grass in the background.

She presumably produced these as a young adult, but the murders happened much earlier, as a member reminded us.

Is it possible to me she looked through her fathers things or was told about her fathers crimes- and she is processing as an artist would?

John Ray knows what he is doing and is good at it. Bam!!

MOO and thank you to a previous member who brought these thoughts to my mind.

I agree on the relevance and necessity for investigation but the spectacle today felt like the public shaming of someone who is likely one of the biggest victims of this man.