• #12,901
And no one in his circle figured that out before they humiliated themselves in a press conference. We need a reporter to report what members are revealing here.

Reporters tend to just repeat what Ray says because it drives clicks. The tabloids are already spinning titles about cannabilism. If he cared about the victims, he would have taken a back seat as soon as Rex was arrested.
 
  • #12,902
Reporters tend to just repeat what Ray says because it drives clicks. The tabloids are already spinning titles about cannabilism. If he cared about the victims, he would have taken a back seat as soon as Rex was arrested.
If he would have just taken the back seat the 911 call that Shannon Gilbert made would have never been released.
 
  • #12,903
If he would have just taken the back seat the 911 call that Shannon Gilbert made would have never been released.
Absolutely! I respect Dr. Gary Brucato who was with him at the press conference today! You can tell a lot about a person by what they like and follow.
 
  • #12,904
Sure. John Ray points to a picture that he says is VH dressed like an innocent little " school girl ". And then he points to a mature picture of her in full make up, looking a little sexy, and he basically says...see ? This is the real Victoria.
Okay. I didn't hear that. But I believe it and guess I get it now. Who cares if she wears a lot of make up or uses a filter in social media.

Somehow VH's SM profile pic didn't stick with me what with all of the images resembling her father's alleged crime scenes.

The only thing I disagree with is that managing to be your big takeaway. I mean...a lot happened at that press conference.

MOO
 
  • #12,905
Reporters tend to just repeat what Ray says because it drives clicks. The tabloids are already spinning titles about cannabilism. If he cared about the victims, he would have taken a back seat as soon as Rex was arrested.
Agree. I don’t see any fact checking by the media, at least not yet. Hopefully, one of the more serious outlets will dig a little deeper.
 
  • #12,906
If he would have just taken the back seat the 911 call that Shannon Gilbert made would have never been released.

The 9/11 call was released before Rex's arrest.
 
  • #12,907
Okay. I didn't hear that. But I believe it and guess I get it now. Who cares if she wears a lot of make up or uses a filter in social media.

Somehow VH's SM profile pic didn't stick with me what with all of the images resembling her father's alleged crime scenes.

The only thing I disagree with is that managing to be your big takeaway. I mean...a lot happened at that press conference.

MOO
I don't have a big take-away from that press conference. It was just a huge pile of steaming crap, imo.
 
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I was rooting for John Ray, I always have rooted for him and assumed good intentions beneath the showmanship… but the level of low he sunk to today changed the game for me.
IMO at this moment, JR wants to still be in center of the LISK and be relevant. Big developments recently made without him, he must be feeling very desperate and clearly doesn’t understand social media/youth/art/creative culture.

He didn’t prove anything about VH, but he did prove that there are a lot of other people out “there” interested in creating, exploring and viewing subject matter that JR thinks is SK evidence.
 
  • #12,910
Again, I applaud Shannan's sister, Sherre , for publicly coming out and saying she does not support this.

And that is the end of my comments on the subject of this press conference.
 
  • #12,911
Yes agreed!!!
Her sketches her images are gory and depict sexualized murderous torturous violence.

Some have details that are reminiscent of the charged murders. A missing shoe. Violence to genitalia post-mortem. An arm cut at the elbow. Marsh grass in the background.

Is it possible to me she looked through her fathers things or was told about her fathers crimes- and she is processing as an artist would?
The gory sexualized murderous torturous violence images were all dug up from Tumblr by JR's team who doesn't know how Tumblr works.
That would be art form she studied and career oriented.
You're saying all the images JR presented are not from any of her accounts ?

That's a big claim to make so I'll just stay tuned
I'll need to suffer thru the presser again to be sure but as far as I recall the only art she actually posted that he shared was a high school art class looking skull sculpture and an abstract painting VH posted claiming to be inspired by Francis Bacon that JR said depicted a "furry bu++ plug". The rest were found by sorting through her "follows" not "likes" meaning there's no indication she ever even saw the images at all.
 
  • #12,912
I looked at Victoria's Tumblr. My God, Ray really leaped to conclusions on this one. She didn't upload any of those images. She also didn't reblog (retweet) them. Victoria follows dozens of accounts, most of which seem to post furry material. It seems as though Ray narrowed in on one account that posts macabre content on a daily basis. Some of it is tame stuff that looks "spooky". Victoria hasn't been active since 2020. There is zero indication that she even saw the images that were presented today. Madness.
 
  • #12,913
IMO at this moment, JR wants to still be in center of the LISK and be relevant. Big developments recently made without him, he must be feeling very desperate and clearly doesn’t understand social media/youth/art/creative culture.

He didn’t prove anything about VH, but he did prove that there are a lot of other people out “there” interested in creating, exploring and viewing subject matter that JR thinks is SK evidence.
I just don’t know though… I go to a very artsy school and see a lot of shocking stuff, but not to this extent. I think pornographic art is common, as well as graphic images and stuff, but images of women being tortured and cut up is something different, and IMO utterly distasteful. Most people simply don’t want to look at it. I know if I saw someone hang this up at a university exhibition I’d avoid them like the plague. all MOO.
 
  • #12,914
The gory sexualized murderous torturous violence images were all dug up from Tumblr by JR's team who doesn't know how Tumblr works.

I'll need to suffer thru the presser again to be sure but as far as I recall the only art she actually posted that he shared was a high school art class looking skull sculpture and an abstract painting VH posted claiming to be inspired by Francis Bacon that JR said depicted a "furry bu++ plug". The rest were found by sorting through her "follows" not "likes" meaning there's no indication she ever even saw the images at all.

Sheesh, how could they not know someone would quickly discover the truth?!

I'm putting on my re-thinking cap, again!

jmo
 
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The Hanging Rex so recognizable in his suit, his shoes and his odd haircut conveys the dislike, the feeling of distance and gloom of the artist, imo.


Scroll way down for all the pictures


All imo
 
  • #12,917
IMO:
JR would disagree with you and continues his investigations and interviewing because he believes LE dropped the ball on AE being oblivious and now with VH he feels he connected the dot that shows RH's heinous life-style and interests could very well have been highly suspect if not some known within the confines of their home.

And yet all of the physical evidence indicates that Heuermann went to great lengths to conceal his activity. Waited until his family was out of town, recently refused to meet with a sex worker because he knew that his wife would be home (per Maureen bail doc), used burner phones and fake email accounts to contact sex workers, and designed a makeshift torture chamber that could be quickly dismantled before his family got home.

I mean, that evidence is much more compelling than some artwork on a random Tumblr account and a few questionable affidavits.
 
  • #12,918
I just don’t know though… I go to a very artsy school and see a lot of shocking stuff, but not to this extent. I think pornographic art is common, as well as graphic images and stuff, but images of women being tortured and cut up is something different, and IMO utterly distasteful. Most people simply don’t want to look at it. I know if I saw someone hang this up at a university exhibition I’d avoid them like the plague. all MOO.
A user might *Like* a particular artwork, by a creator. It doesn’t mean they view or read everything that creator posts.

A user might “follow” another for a million possible reasons, doesn’t mean they are commited to it, may never look at their work ever again.

This is “networking” followers and following.

He references likes/material from 2015! He’s sneaking into high school girl diary !

His method today, and starting with her “school girl clothes” was ridiculous. I was expecting a plaid skirt, knee socks and saddle shoes. She was wearing normal adult casual … wtf?
 
  • #12,919
I'm quoting myself from earlier today...

It's difficult to believe everything that anyone says inside or outside of this case (be they lawyers, victims or anything else). But, what I heard today is horrendously disturbing no matter how many ways I look at it. JMO

Sometimes art reflects life (or death) and sometimes it doesn't.

And, I'll add... apparently, I was hoodwinked and I seriously don't like it.
 
  • #12,920
A user might *Like* a particular artwork, by a creator. It doesn’t mean they view or read everything that creator posts.

A user might “follow” another for a million possible reasons, doesn’t mean they are commited to it, may never look at their work ever again.

This is “networking” followers and following.

He references likes/material from 2015! He’s sneaking into high school girl diary !

His method today, and starting with her “school girl clothes” was ridiculous. I was expecting a plaid skirt, knee socks and saddle shoes. She was wearing normal adult casual … wtf?
Yeah, I agree with you on that… But the tumblr account shows her following consists mainly of this “type” of content. That’s quite a coincidence. In 2015 she was 18 right?
 

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