Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Ruminations]

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and let's not forget how it was reported that RH had an intimidating tone towards his daughter...
only the family knows how RH behaved towards them...

Did he? It doesn't surprise me, but I don't recall reading or hearing about their relationship.

MOO

 

[Trailbum74]

I'd be interested to know just how much she reblogged was fanart from Hannibal or media like it.

Like I said earlier, Hannibal was massive on Tumblr, and had a huge fan artist base on there. Lots of vore, which, if you think about the franchise, it would be strange if there wasn't. It's a whole well acted, well scripted, beautifully shot series about a serial killer who eats people. Or so I've been told. I've never watched, but as I said, it was impossible to avoid the fanart and gifs on there at the time. Too many people were obsessed with it.

MOO

Hannibal aside, you can literally type the words "horror" or "gore" before anything that interests you (I used Harry Potter in my experiment) in the Google search bar, click on the "images" filter, and come up with a plethora of fan art.

There are entire websites created by fans to "further the fiction," if you will, re-envisioning that fiction into horror, p*rn, or any number of other genres. While these types of things disturb some folks, plenty of other folks out there enjoy them. Doesn't float my boat to see Harry and Hermione in a Hentai scene, but it works for others.

One could argue some of the most innocuous sources can lead to the most disturbing imagery. Even the Bible can create some pretty upsetting visuals (I'm a preacher's daughter, so I'm speaking from direct experience from my father's lectures sermons).

 

[Ruminations]

Yes, true!
Still, VH's apparent preferred artwork depicted humans, not bears.
Maybe RH had his torture victims dress up as bears.
MOO.

Ever since Vergata was reported to be running afraid and naked, I wondered if Rex was playing a game with his co-workers. Rex was saying "bares" and it wasn't his fault they heard "bears."

MOO

 

[Forest_Wood]

Actually, looking at her site, her preferred artwork is animals, mermaids etc. She's got just the one drawing by her that is of the horror genre (the one inspired by the artist Francis Bacon, not her father). She's got a couple self portraits etc. She shared much from many genres too, not just the horror genre.

And all the art that she follows. (Preference).

 

[TOMBISHOP]

Did he? It doesn't surprise me, but I don't recall reading or hearing about their relationship.

MOO

I don't have the link handy but it was also mentioned in this last forum.. I think a journalist said this.

 

[Just K]

If RH loved to regale people with gross stories about his hunting exploits (is he really talking about bears?!), then he might well be doing the same with his family ad nauseum.
If you grew up listening to that kind of banter (not the hunting itself, but delight in the aftermath) it might encourage and normalize an interest in such imagery, especially for the artistically inclined. imo, speculation, fwiw.

Gilgo Beach suspect Rex Heuermann reveled in recounting how he stalked, butchered animals: ‘Target in sight’

“More than once, he gleefully described the process of dressing the game, seeming to delight in grossing his employees out,” former underling Mary Shell said.

nypost.com

''Accused Gilgo Beach killer Rex Heuermann reveled in telling underlings how he stalked and butchered animals''

''Shell said co-workers “described how he gushed about his bear-hunting trips in particular: baiting an area and lying in wait.''

“More than once, he gleefully described the process of dressing the game, seeming to delight in grossing his employees out,” Shell wrote.''

That is highly probable. Great perspective/possible correlation to what lead the daughter to such artistic expressions and the viewing of such works by other artists.

 

[Vern]

And all the art that she follows. (Preference).

She follows much that is not of the horror genre too.

 

[Deleted member 117884]

If RH loved to regale people with gross stories about his hunting exploits (is he really talking about bears?!), then he might well be doing the same with his family ad nauseum.
If you grew up listening to that kind of banter (not the hunting itself, but delight in the aftermath) it might encourage and normalize an interest in such imagery, especially for the artistically inclined. imo, speculation, fwiw.

Gilgo Beach suspect Rex Heuermann reveled in recounting how he stalked, butchered animals: ‘Target in sight’

“More than once, he gleefully described the process of dressing the game, seeming to delight in grossing his employees out,” former underling Mary Shell said.

nypost.com

''Accused Gilgo Beach killer Rex Heuermann reveled in telling underlings how he stalked and butchered animals''

''Shell said co-workers “described how he gushed about his bear-hunting trips in particular: baiting an area and lying in wait.''

“More than once, he gleefully described the process of dressing the game, seeming to delight in grossing his employees out,” Shell wrote.''

I agree the household very well included gruesome images as entertainment, conversation, etc, and the children were exposed to too much too young. But why is that worthy of a press conference? I was lured in by the sensationalism yesterday morning, but after awhile, everything shared at the presser seemed unnecessary to be shared with the public.

What exactly was the point of the presser? Sincere question.

jmo

 

[Just K]

@Vern I like your interpretation of the screen name better than mine. I thought it was Vinn and immature. Yours is probably right.

 

[Forest_Wood]

She follows much that is not of the horror genre too.

Agreed. Horror and mutilation art in addition to other genres.

 

[Just K]

I agree the household very well included gruesome images as entertainment, conversation, etc, and the children were exposed to too much too young. But why is that worthy of a press conference? I was lured in by the sensationalism yesterday morning, but after awhile, everything shared at the presser seemed unnecessary to be shared with the public.

What exactly was the point of the presser? Sincere question.

jmo

Before the presser it was advertised as Heuerman was not living a “double life” as suggested by his wife’s and childrens’ attorneys.

 

[Deleted member 117884]

Before the presser it was advertised as Heuerman was not living a “double life” as suggested by his wife’s and children’s attorneys.

Not having a double life means his family knew about his crimes. I didn't glean anything from JR's presser that shows VH knew about the crimes her father was committing.

The presser exposed the tastes of VH that are distasteful and off-putting to many people, but it didn't show she knew what her father doing to victims, or that she condoned it, or that she covered it up.

It was very sensational, but was is substantial?

jmo

 

[Trailbum74]

I love whodunits, I love trying to figure out movies, I love websleuths, but I think there's a big difference between that and those pictures I saw today. My god I cannot get them out of my head now. THOSE are beyond extraordinarily demented.

I can absolutely appreciate that those images were too graphic/violent to many viewers. Speaking as someone who was sexually assaulted while serving overseas in the military, those images represent what my body felt like to me in my mind.

I felt exactly like that painting showing a victim cut open and penetrated (paraphrasing Ray). In fact, it resonated with me so much that I had to turn away until he moved on to the next display.

With nothing but respect for others on this platform opining about what "art" represents, if you haven't personally been victimized, you may not be able to discern the deeper meanings of an artist's work (either literal or figurative).

 

[Knitty]

MOD NOTE:

Folks, what was discussed at the presser is allowed for discussion. You may discuss the images and clothing choices that were presented at the presser. You may agree or disagree with JR's presentation of those image and clothing choices as long as you don't bicker about it. You may discuss your own opinion and experiences that concern those images and clothing choices.

VH has not been named POI. VH IS A FAMILY MEMBERR. VH at this point is a VICTIM. You may NOT link what you think or even what you know are VH's websites.

It's the rules.

Rules - Websleuths Number 1 Rule!

It's very basic. Don't Be A Jerk! If you are rude, argumentative, sarcastic, flippant, mean, accusatory, or post anything that would make you look like you are not discussing the case politely and reasonably, then you violate our rule. DON'T BE A JERK! Thank you Tricia

www.websleuths.com

 

[scapa]

BBM:
The problem I see with your possible explanation for local young girls reading/drawing like VH did is that I will assume that none are the daughters of an accused serial killer who tortured his victims to death and caught with evidence that's a mine field.

Does VH not wonder where her interests came from considering she has an affinity for what her father was arrested for along with his blueprint that describes what's needed to carry out the images and reading material VH posted about?

She may well and likely does wonder.

She may even wonder aloud, or in confidence. Some of her SM posts and artworks may be products of that wondering, based on interactions with or promptings by RH that we can only guess at. Or, they might be derivative of the ComicCon graphic novel world that her mum clearly followed. None of it seems obviously nefarious to me given the dates and circumstances of the crimes we know about, and none of it required a press conference to broadcast to the world.

IMO, an attorney who has long claimed to be a voice for victims in this case should not be wondering aloud and at length about these topics on VH's behalf. This strikes me as pure, cruel gamesmanship, motivated by something other than a search for justice in whatever shape or form.

JMO, MOO, etc.

 

[NyxNY]

I read it as a business related meeting in Amityville or relating to a project in Amityville. My old boss in property management often had later meetings and his calendar would say, for example, Bronxville meeting if that's where it was being held.

Wasn't one of his storage units in Amityville?

 

[scapa]

He said that her hair wasn't transferred to Amber by RH. Implication being that VH left it herself.

VH was around twelve years of age and not even in the state when Amber was killed.

How else is it meant to be read than he thinks she was involved, when he's saying that along with showing her taste in art?

MOO

Agree. This was absolutely reckless, IMO, and seemingly unprovable as an assertion, especially given what we know about the variability and room for error in human hair evidence, and strong likelihoods of secondary/ tertiary transfer with the methods of transport and disposal and associated tools and materials favoured by RH.

It has also been stated that hair evidence is only of value when used in conjunction with other evidence. Positive hair comparison conclusions may be weakened by the presence of incomplete hairs; by common, featureless hairs; and by known samples with large intrasample variation. [...] Normal negative hair comparison conclusions are weakened by deficiencies in the known hair sample, including too few hairs, unrepresentative hairs, incomplete hairs, and a significant temporal difference between the offense and the collection of the known sample.

https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/about-us/lab/forensic-science-communications/fsc/july2000/deedric1.htm

https://www.asteetrace.org/static/images/pdf/04%20Hair%20Admissibility.pdf

 

[Forest_Wood]

Not having a double life means his family knew about his crimes. I didn't glean anything from JR's presser that shows VH knew about the crimes her father was committing.

The presser exposed the tastes of VH that are distasteful and off-putting to many people, but it didn't show she knew what her father doing to victims, or that she condoned it, or that she covered it up.

It was very sensational, but was is substantial?

jmo

Not only about his crimes but about his lifestyle in general. If his lifestyle was one where he was rarely home in the middle of the night, if it was known he was a swinger, or that he frequented SWs, or if he spent copious amounts of time on social media. These are the topics that point to a double life imo.

 

[x_files]

How would John Ray know the degree to which this family has cooperated with LE ? He's not privy to anything.

Not that we know, if he has friends in LE, or hired a PI. I don't know what he knows or is privy to.

 

[x_files]

Not only about his crimes but about his lifestyle in general. If his lifestyle was one where he was rarely home in the middle of the night, if it was known he was a swinger, or that he frequented SWs, or if he spent copious amounts of time on social media. These are the topics that point to a double life imo.

Asa may have known RH was doing strange things but had no idea what these things were, especially if he lied and had believable stories and excuses.
There's knowing exactly what he was up to, and just having a weird gut feeling that something is off but unable to prove it or have evidence of R's hobbies.