Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Forest_Wood]

I also heard JR's reference to HR patronizing "Pandora's Box".

He said it again yesterday that he represents survivors of RH so possibly he got that info about RH and the club from one of them?
The other possibility that comes to mind is about LP the swinger whose ex-boyfriend the prior NYC narc.
I heard JR refer to him in an interview after he had LP at his Jan 2024 event that they knew where he was from in Queens NY and that the lifestyle/swinger LP claimed they did together lined up with his past.
At the time of JR's presser with Rodney Harrison in Oct.2023 they had his name and IIRC: had spoken with him?
RH may have been known to go there from other SW or the narc?

Is it possible that John Ray knows even more than what he has shared publicly, knowing that once all the pieces are tied together bit by bit, it will make more sense?

 

[kittythehare]

Is it possible that John Ray knows even more than what he has shared publicly, knowing that once all the pieces are tied together bit by bit, it will make more sense?

Yes. Very much so.

 

[Izzylizzy]

IMO:
If it's true what's been claimed about VH's gore art affinity it shouldn't surprise anyone and if it is true LE needs a special sit-down with her.

Have any of you seen the horrific graphic photos in the book "Death Scenes" by Jack Huddelson that went right on the Heuerman kitchen table after it was returned to them by LE from being seized in July 2023?

Remember this was/is on the kitchen table of the family who's husband/father is an accused serial killer of 6 women and not the coffee table of people who just read/collect these types of books for whatever reason.

I just found the link but am pretty certain it's against WS rules to post, and rightfully so.


This is not from Amazon,Good Reads etc,
They don't have a detailed description on their sites or photos.

Here's the bio and the history of the original scrap book including some black/white photos

It can be found at

"the horror zone" website
morbid police death scenes

 

[Betty P]

“Large downstairs dungeon” !!!

Notice in the description of the party and activities, they refer to having sex as "play time". Same words that Rex used in his notes on how to murder his victims, keep them quiet, etc.

Seems the allegations that he belonged to a swingers club might be true.

ETA: If he did belong to a swinger's club, they have a rule that you can't attend events single, you have to bring a partner. Who would have been his partner?

How risky that was to issue an invitation to people to come to your house for a sex party? Maybe some "friends" but also total strangers. Rex's "swinging" friends must have been horrified years later to discover he was a serial killer.

 

[LadyL]

I can absolutely appreciate that those images were too graphic/violent to many viewers. Speaking as someone who was sexually assaulted while serving overseas in the military, those images represent what my body felt like to me in my mind.

I felt exactly like that painting showing a victim cut open and penetrated (paraphrasing Ray). In fact, it resonated with me so much that I had to turn away until he moved on to the next display.

With nothing but respect for others on this platform opining about what "art" represents, if you haven't personally been victimized, you may not be able to discern the deeper meanings of an artist's work (either literal or figurative).

I have and I do and I support any artist's right to create and what they want. I'm also an artist.

She may well and likely does wonder.

She may even wonder aloud, or in confidence. Some of her SM posts and artworks may be products of that wondering, based on interactions with or promptings by RH that we can only guess at. Or, they might be derivative of the ComicCon graphic novel world that her mum clearly followed. None of it seems obviously nefarious to me given the dates and circumstances of the crimes we know about, and none of it required a press conference to broadcast to the world.

IMO, an attorney who has long claimed to be a voice for victims in this case should not be wondering aloud and at length about these topics on VH's behalf. This strikes me as pure, cruel gamesmanship, motivated by something other than a search for justice in whatever shape or form.

JMO, MOO, etc.

on point
ty

 

[Forest_Wood]

At JR's presser yesterday the blog warning were read aloud.
What still amazes and baffles me is that as far as I know just about all SK'ers families claim being oblivious to any odd behaviors or red flags etc. throughout their years living with the convicted or accused SK.
I'll never understand why AE/VH appear to have gotten a pass from the get-go on the possibility of being a help to LE's investigation.
Maybe that applies to all the families of prior SK'ers?
If true, I take that as LE being quite naive in thinking families would speak up and if they don't then they know zilch, which is hard to swallow.

I wonder if it's a matter of letting the family relax, knowing they're not under suspicion, with the hope they'll be cooperative and share insights, and of course, they continue investigating until and if they dig up anything to charge them with too. Others have said here there have been cases where family members have been charged years later even. MOO.

 

[LadyL]

Asa may have known RH was doing strange things but had no idea what these things were, especially if he lied and had believable stories and excuses.
There's knowing exactly what he was up to, and just having a weird gut feeling that something is off but unable to prove it or have evidence of R's hobbies.

yes and a gut feeling is not a crime last I checked
people are demonizing her and her daughter

 

[Forest_Wood]

where? the pieces in the press conference aren't hers - only one of them is and there's no skull in it I don't think

Has there been a link provided that outlines the artwork shown by JR and who created them? I've only heard others talk about it here, but have not seen an official link.

 

[Adrian33]

Notice in the description of the party and activities, they refer to having sex as "play time". Same words that Rex used in his notes on how to murder his victims, keep them quiet, etc.

Seems the allegations that he belonged to a swingers club might be true.

ETA: If he did belong to a swinger's club, they have a rule that you can't attend events single, you have to bring a partner. Who would have been his partner?

Wow, same wording!
I also noticed in the affidavit from the witness with the boyfriend they mentioned RH started a fire. And I believe that swingers party ad mentions a “firepit”.

Yes, they could’ve belonged to a few clubs. This link mentions the witness with the boyfriend claims they belonged to another called “Le Trapeze” .

Witness claims off-duty cop took Gilgo victim to Rex Heuermann’s Massapequa Park home in 1996: affidavit

MILLER PLACE, N.Y. (PIX11) — In a jaw-dropping claim that took the Suffolk County district attorney by surprise, lawyer John Ray appeared with Police Commissioner Rodney Harrison at a Wednesd…

pix11.com

 

[Izzylizzy]

what image(s) did she produce except for the one 'work in progress - oil on canvas'?

It's what she had an "affinity" for and if so, why?
Any news on the image taken from the house of the battered young woman with black eyes?
Who did she belong to was it a print or an original?
If an original who painted it?
Did LE return it to the Heuermann's or keep it?

She can not be classified now as something she is not, she is the daughter of an accused serial killer who tortured his victims to death.
She was not classified among those teenagers who were/are attracted to graphic torture/death gore art.

apples & oranges.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Wow, same wording!
I also noticed in the affidavit from the witness with the boyfriend they mentioned RH started a fire. And I believe that swingers party ad mentions bon fires.

Yes, they could’ve belonged to a few clubs. This link mentions the witness with the boyfriend claims they belonged to another called “Le Trapeze” .

Witness claims off-duty cop took Gilgo victim to Rex Heuermann’s Massapequa Park home in 1996: affidavit

MILLER PLACE, N.Y. (PIX11) — In a jaw-dropping claim that took the Suffolk County district attorney by surprise, lawyer John Ray appeared with Police Commissioner Rodney Harrison at a Wednesd…

pix11.com

My issue with LP was many of the things she claimed had previously been published.
She signed her affidavit on Aug,31,2023.
But..we don't know when she first contacted JR and her story then and if she added to it by 8/31/23?

But there is the ex-boyfriend who's name she gave to Ray/Harrison so that's on her side and they did make contact with him but of course we know nada.
I would like to know where AE was around this time when Karen Vergata was last heard from on Valentine's Day 1996 and what day in April RH & AE were married,
Karen's partial remains were discovered on April 20,1996 on Fire Island.

 

[LadyL]

I disagree in two ways.

First, while I can't say I enjoyed looking at the images, I am not sure I'd call them distasteful. I have no knowledge of what makes VH drawn to them. I would hazard a guess it is a symptom of her victimization. She could be repulsed by the images, and working to normalize them for herself to try to fit in. She could be processing her life, which is not a typical life.

I guess I do call her tee shirt choice distasteful, upon Rex's arrest. If she wears skeletons every day of her life, that was the day to turn the shirt inside out. But mostly, I don't think the problem is distaste.

The other way I disagree is that I certainly do think it is substantial.

The problem is how much the material contained references to the crime scene that we are learning more and more about. It means that in some way, VH knows something about the crimes. She is a witness.

Imagine if the truth turns out to be that her father accessed all of this images posing as his daughter. That seems unlikely, but it is possible, true? Then, she is a witness who can deny being behind the social media accounts. I think it is likely that VH has been on her own kind of investigation for years. She is a witness. Her interests in art that references crime scenes for crimes for which her father is accused makes that obvious.

In addition, just by living in that small house, it is very hard to imagine anybody not noticing anything at all...like, why does dad always scrub the bathroom when we are on vacation?

MOO

so if I decide tomorrow to paint a murder victim, it means I've witnessed brutal crimes by someone in my life?

maybe I'm inspired by this case
maybe I'm inspired by a movie
maybe I'm inspired by mythological creatures
maybe I'm using metaphors
maybe all of the above

maybe her mother should've told her not to wear that shirt out of respect for the victims but I'm sure they were floating on a surreal cloud, barely able to perform normal everyday functions

 

[Izzylizzy]

I wonder if it's a matter of letting the family relax, knowing they're not under suspicion, with the hope they'll be cooperative and share insights, and of course, they continue investigating until and if they dig up anything to charge them with too. Others have said here there have been cases where family members have been charged years later even. MOO.

That's comforting news, thanks.
For all we know LE got a warrant and their house is bugged..maybe phones too?

 

[LadyL]

It's what she had an "affinity" for and if so, why?
Any news on the image taken from the house of the battered young woman with black eyes?
Who did she belong to was it a print or an original?
If an original who painted it?
Did LE return it to the Heuermann's or keep it?

She can not be classified now as something she is not, she is the daughter of an accused serial killer who tortured his victims to death.
She was not classified among those teenagers who were/are attracted to graphic torture/death gore art.

apples & oranges.

I am curious about the painting
but I think her art and clothing choices will fade into the background once people realize it's a nothing burger
she is a victim until we know otherwise and her choices in art don't make her 'suspicious' to me

 

[LadyL]

Sincere answer: The purpose was to draw attention to the absurdity of acting like housemates of Rex Heuermann would have no valuable information to share.

They are witnesses. Especially AE. And, as evidenced by her art, especially VH now.

Why would we be satisfied to just take Macedonia's word for it that AE has nothing of interest to LE, yet something as interesting as a million dollars to say to a production company?

I like interesting content as much as the next person, but when the streaming wars are fought before the war against crime, I have a problem with that.

Shutting down witnesses means not doing a fulsome investigation.

John Ray is once again trying to reorient us to investigating, and discouraging letting information get ignored. That is a very good reason for a presser.

MOO

do you feel this way about every family of serial killers?
what if their lives were never exposed on a international scale by John Ray?
do you still consider them all 'witnesses' with something to hide?
just curious

 

[fred&edna]

Of course... Maybe p*** photos, art, books, or the like was common-place in the home? Maybe BDSM/shades of gray/swingers lifestyle was known in the home? Maybe even gore-p*** wasn't a forbidden topic in the RH household and she was comfortable with following and subbing to gore-p*** artists. Maybe she saw "toys and tools" in the home. I guess it's entirely possible that sort of thing wasn't a big deal to her. **Assuming, of course, she was aware of the activity on her tumblr account.


just some of my "maybe" thoughts

 

[Izzylizzy]

so if I decide tomorrow to paint a murder victim, it means I've witnessed brutal crimes by someone in my life?

maybe I'm inspired by this case
maybe I'm inspired by a movie
maybe I'm inspired by mythological creatures
maybe I'm using metaphors

maybe her mother should've told her not to wear that shirt out of respect for the victims but I'm sure they were floating on a surreal cloud, barely able to perform normal everyday functions

If your father turned out to be an accused serial killer and you spent 26 yrs living with him before he was arrested then most likely yeah.

I am curious about the painting
but I think her art and clothing choices will fade into the background once people realize it's a nothing burger
she is a victim until we know otherwise and her choices in art don't make her 'suspicious' to me

Her "victim" status changed for many when she signed the Peacock deal and got $400,000.
So her being a "victim" is in the eyes of the beholder.
Her being suspicious to me is not that she was involved with any of the murders but that she very well is deliberately holding back what could be crucial info for the investigators, along with AE.
VH is now 27 and not a teenager anymore.

 

[LadyL]

Didn't the WS owner state on yt yesterday that she owned that book? It is something that some true crime buffs might be interested in.

and several members have said in this thread that they have the book

 

[LadyL]

If your father turned out to be an accused serial killer and you spent 26 yrs living with him before he was arrested then most likely yeah.

Her "victim" status changed for many when she signed the Peacock deal and got $400,000.
So her being a "victim" is in the eyes of the beholder.
Her being suspicious to me is not that she was involved with any of the murders but that she very well is deliberately holding back what could be crucial info for the investigators, along with AE.
VH is now 27 and not a teenager anymore.

she is considered a victim here at WS

 

[LadyL]

I don't know, didn't watch. I think its the context of her reading the book at the kitchen table after all that has happened, as well as the artwork, clothing choices, etc. JMO She appears to be struggling.

A regular WS member owning that book is perceived differently than Rex H owning it.

I think it probably just got set down there and never moved, which seems normal in a cluttered, possibly 'hoarder' environment.