Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[willy wagtail]

Where is Pak these days?
MPak= shortened Massapequa

 

[LadyL]

The night-time cab driver comes to mind.

She tried to tell the crime stoppers tip line about encountering Rex Heuermann and Shannan Gilbert in Long Island, among other relevant information about Rex Heuermann.

Crime stoppers would not call her back.

John Ray took her affadavit. Rodney Harrison took it as a moment to say, if you are not comfortable coming to LE, go to John Ray. (But this witness had been comfortable going to LE. They just wouldn't return her calls. This was stated publicly, and I am very certain she would have been contradicted in public if her claim of trying to reach LE were not true.)

MOO

can you remind us what exactly she said about RH and Shannan?

 

[Izzylizzy]

Of course... Maybe p*** photos, art, books, or the like was common-place in the home? Maybe BDSM/shades of gray/swingers lifestyle was known in the home? Maybe even gore-p*** wasn't a forbidden topic in the RH household and she was comfortable with following and subbing to gore-p*** artists. I guess it's entire possible that sort of thing wasn't a big deal to her. **Assuming, of course, she was aware of the activity on her tumblr account.

It's only disturbing knowing what her dad is accused of doing in the home.

just some of my "maybe" thoughts

I find it beyond disturbing for a child to live in that environment and no serial killer is needed to reach that conclusion.
But I get what you're saying how even the most toxic homes can become the way of life for some children, tragically.

If I knew what you listed was happening in someone's home my daughter would have had to crawl over my dead body before entering their door and I would have no problem calling CPS.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

dbm

 

[LadyL]

The missing left shoe of the hanging photo makes me feel VH saw that! JMOO

it's a right shoe

 

[Izzylizzy]

it's a right shoe

Left or right I see it as the law of gravity having taken over.

 

[LadyL]

Totally agreed, and it is absurd. Housemates know a lot, they see a lot. Ask Dave Schaller. There's no ignoring anyone who had this intimate a connection to RH.

It's absolutely substantial. WH belt. Why that belt? Family, that's his grandfather's belt. Family is important for RH (unfortunately for the family). Wasn't he nicknamed "Peter" for Peter Griffin from "Family Guy"? He's no "family guy" of any kind, he's the demon Rodney Harrison labeled him as. There's a sinister darkness to him, like he's in a black hole of his own creation. MOO, it's so black in that hole that you'd assume anyone other than RH with any knowledge of it would now be dead. And it's looking like that may not be the case. The darkness may have radiated outwards. The JR press conference images may be the product of a dark "interest" subtly introduced by RH. But the images JR introduces-- they're pertinent. MOO, the images are disturbing, they're meant to be disturbing. But in the context in which we're viewing them, they become disturbing in a terrifying way. And that HK file seems way, way too "open-air" to me, too "comfortable" with something nobody should be comfortable with. RH was, though, he felt comfy and safe typing up something so ghastly it would make you wretch. How'd he get that comfortable? We don't know yet. But it's good that those following the information are at least trying to explore connections.

And in the midst of it all, RH now has that Manorville connection to Peconic River Sportsman's Club. That's definitely something to watch for widening RH's circle, if one exists. That's a "wow" for me.

I think he was likely that comfortable after so long of not being caught - even in 2002.

 

[LadyL]

Has there been a link provided that outlines the artwork shown by JR and who created them? I've only heard others talk about it here, but have not seen an official link.

I asked where did you see a skull in her artwork which is what you posted about that I replied to
and JR is the one who said they aren't hers, except one piece of paper in his hand
so I guess the video of his press conference is your link

 

[Izzylizzy]

Has there been a link provided that outlines the artwork shown by JR and who created them? I've only heard others talk about it here, but have not seen an official link.

Try this one.

Victoria Heuermann's 'Demonic' Artwork: Breakdown of the sadistic images

Attorney John Ray shared the "sadistic" images that Victoria Heuermann, the daughter of Rex Heuermann, was creating and viewing.

www.newsweek.com

 

[LadyL]

That's comforting news, thanks.
For all we know LE got a warrant and their house is bugged..maybe phones too?

pretty sure they would be arrested by now if they said anything incriminating JMO

 

[CuriousCricket]

It seems obvious everyone finds JR's PC "disturbing" for varying reasons. It's tough to put a damper on it particularly because the reactions are emotional.

jmo

Unfortunately, emotion is reigning supreme here. The bail application makes it clear that VH has been interviewed by LE.
See the portion about the trip to Vermont with the family of VH's kindergarten friend.

Since the FBI and State Police are part of the taskforce, along with local LE and perhaps other agencies, it makes sense to me to think she was interviewed by someone highly trained and skilled.

Just because we don't know what was said (and why should we?), doesn't mean that anytime the investigation needs info from her interview(s) LE won't have it - or get it. IF she is indeed a witness and if her testimony is needed in court, there's every reason to believe Tierney will have her on the witness stand.

She may not appear in court as her "witness" may not be necessary for the case the DA is building. BUT guess what folks, that is his job and his business how he builds the case. Tierney has repeatedly said the investigation speaks through indictments arrived at through the confidential work of a Grand Jury. So far, the taskforce seems to be doing a great job and has even charged in an unexpected direction.

John Ray on the other hand . . . well don't get me started. That disgusting display of a PC means I am no longer sitting on the fence where he is concerned.

 

[Izzylizzy]

pretty sure they would be arrested by now if they said anything incriminating JMO

I see it just the opposite.
It's an ongoing investigation and the family speaks with and visits him.

Incriminating evidence is valuable for LE to have,especially in a case like this and can be used as leverage to get the person to flip and/or inform.

 

[LadyL]

Unfortunately, emotion is reigning supreme here. The bail application makes it clear that VH has been interviewed by LE.
See the portion about the trip to Vermont with the family of VH's kindergarten friend.

Since the FBI and State Police are part of the taskforce, along with local LE and perhaps other agencies, it makes sense to me to think she was interviewed by someone highly trained and skilled.

Just because we don't know what was said (and why should we?), doesn't mean that anytime the investigation needs info from her interview(s) LE won't have it - or get it. IF she is indeed a witness and if her testimony is needed in court, there's every reason to believe Tierney will have her on the witness stand.

She may not appear in court as her "witness" may not be necessary for the case the DA is building. BUT guess what folks, that is his job and his business how he builds the case. Tierney has repeatedly said the investigation speaks through indictments arrived at through the confidential work of a Grand Jury. So far, the taskforce seems to be doing a great job and has even charged in an unexpected direction.

John Ray on the other hand . . . well don't get me started. That disgusting display of a PC means I am no longer sitting on the fence where he is concerned.

imagine having to be the Grand Jury or the trial jury in this case
that's gotta cause long lasting nightmares

 

[LadyL]

I see it just the opposite.
It's an ongoing investigation and the family speaks with and visits him.

Incriminating evidence is valuable for LE to have,especially in a case like this and can be used as leverage to get the person to flip and/or inform.

yes another good point
has it been in the media that they all visited him? I only read about AE
I was hoping her visits were just to take care of any business related to property & finances
I imagine his visits are listened to by whoever and I imagine his lawyer told him not to discuss the case
JMO

 

[kittythehare]

Where is Pak these days?
MPak= shortened Massapequa

not sure but I wouldn't half mind downloading him..

 

[fidgeypie]

Peaches and Baby Doe <3 Asian Doe <3 Karen Vergata <3 Valerie Mack <3 cherries <3 Four of those people are still unidentified whether cherries is a Lisk victim or no she's still unidentified.

 

[snarast]

Where is Pak these days?
MPak= shortened Massapequa

I‘d like to know that too…

 

[snarast]

He said that her hair wasn't transferred to Amber by RH. Implication being that VH left it herself.

VH was around twelve years of age and not even in the state when Amber was killed.

How else is it meant to be read than he thinks she was involved, when he's saying that along with showing her taste in art?

MOO

It’s more likely that RH had Amber handle or wear VH’s clothes/belongings.

 

[kittythehare]

It‘s likely to me that RH had Amber handle or wear VH’s clothes/belongings.

Just to add, we don't actually know when those victims died.
We know when they went missing but we have no idea how long he kept them alive for 'playtime'. It could have been days weeks or even months.

 

[snarast]

Just to add, we don't actually know when those victims died.
We know when they went missing but we have no idea how long he kept them alive for 'playtime'. It could have been days weeks or even months.

Lets hope that’s not the case.