Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[Forest_Wood]

Perhaps, when he was driving a woman somewhere, suddenly and without warning he used his big hammy right hand to throw a punch into the side of her head to knock her out to be transferred either into the house (if he pushed victims down into the floor boards) or to the back of the pickup where they were locked up. With the design of the Avalanche allowing the driver to see into the truck bed, he could keep an eye on them. Again, if they were out-of-sight in the truck, he simply had to pull into his garage and put the door down before unloading them into the house.

Is it known if he parked in the garage? It seems so small and with them being hoarders, I suspect it's packed full of stuff. His truck and jeep are not small either. There are photos of his vehicles parked on the street and driveway, and neighbors have reported the same. I do wonder how he got women into his home, unseen and unheard by the neighbors.
MOO.

 

[CuriousCricket]

yes yes true, but I think...
if they came to make a documentary in my city I wouldn't necessarily know about it since I don't think they sponsor the filming of a documentary especially if they were investigating something, so I wonder how rh could have found out about it while also finding direct contact with the producers?!
a tip from someone they had already gone to interview?
I don't know, maybe it's nothing but this makes me think...

Frankly, I don't follow the local newspaper and local TV only slightly. Is local news as important to you as it may have been to RH?

Are there any local scenes in the movie? I haven't seen it.

I have watched a Starz docu in which they examine questionable convictions, but no locals are used only local scenery as they drive through.

I'm thinking that a real movie, featuring either restaurant or street scenes may have required the use of "extras". "Extras" are often advertised for in local classifieds. Plus, movies being made are often the subject of local newspaper stories. Since it's NYC area, it may be too common place for a newspaper to even care. However, for traffic purposes, if a street is being shut down for filming, wouldn't it be noted on local news as in avoid this area?

 

[Betty P]

Is it known if he parked in the garage? It seems so small and with them being hoarders, I suspect it's packed full of stuff. His truck and jeep are not small either. There are photos of his vehicles parked on the street and driveway, and neighbors have reported the same. I do wonder how he got women into his home, unseen and unheard by the neighbors.
MOO.

Nikkie Brass, who "dated" Heuermann in 2015

In this case, he asked her to go to his home. When she refused he offered to drive this woman to her home after talking about the LI serial killer. I have a feeling he changed things around over the years.

He showed her a white envelope with the implication it had money in it. He probably offered these women a lot of money to go to either his house or, in this case, theirs.

 

[Forest_Wood]

Nikkie Brass, who "dated" Heuermann in 2015

In this case, he had offered to drive this woman to her home after talking about the LI serial killer. I have a feeling he changed things around over the years.

He showed her a white envelope with the implication it had money in it. He probably offered these women a lot of money to go to either his house or, in this case, theirs.

I had thought RH offered to drive Nikki Brass to HIS home? Or did he offer to drive her to HER home? I was wondering how he got them INSIDE his home, if he indeed took them to his home, without being noticed by anyone. He could have parked in that small garage I suppose, but I don't think it would have a door entering the house. Maybe there was a door from the garage to the back yard, where he could then access that entranceway to the basement. He saw so many SW's. How many did I take back to his place I wonder. Maybe only the ones he wanted to torture.
MOO.

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

These days, most judges don't make a change of venue decision until after they've begun jury selection. If it looks like they can't recruit a sufficient number of objective jurors, they consider change of venue. So defense usually raises a racket about change of venue in the pre-trial phase, but most judges don't make a pre-emptive decision on that.

This is incorrect, change of venue motions are required to be filed well before the trial date. Objections have to be filed on a deadline, and the judge has a set number of days to give a decision. Change of venue decisions are a response to a motion and the supporting documentation, not filing "timely" will result in a denial.

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[Betty P]

I had thought RH offered to drive Nikki Brass to HIS home? Or did he offer to drive her to HER home? I was wondering how he got them INSIDE his home, if he indeed took them to his home, without being noticed by anyone. He could have parked in that small garage I suppose, but I don't think it would have a door entering the house. Maybe there was a door from the garage to the back yard, where he could then access that entranceway to the basement. He saw so many SW's. How many did I take back to his place I wonder. Maybe only the ones he wanted to torture.
MOO.

He offered to drive her to his home first. When she refused, he offered to drive her to her home.

 

[Betty P]

This is incorrect, change of venue motions are required to be filed well before the trial date. Objections have to be filed on a deadline, and the judge has a set number of days to give a decision. Change of venue decisions are a response to a motion and the supporting documentation, not filing "timely" will result in a denial.

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Yes, the defense may be required to file the motion before the trial date. In many cases I've followed lately, judges defer that decision until after they've tried jury selection and failed to seat an unbiased jury.

Check the pre-trial activities for Richard Allen - Delphi, IN Murders and George Wagner iv - Rhoden Family Massacre

I'm offering a little pre-trial insight. In so many cases, when defense files this kind of motion, everyone gets riled up and we have days and weeks of discussions about unfair trials, etc. It's just a defense tactic. Then the judge makes the ruling. I suppose I should go back to my old habit of not following trials until they've actually begun, haha.

 

[CuriousCricket]

Is it known if he parked in the garage? It seems so small and with them being hoarders, I suspect it's packed full of stuff. His truck and jeep are not small either. There are photos of his vehicles parked on the street and driveway, and neighbors have reported the same. I do wonder how he got women into his home, unseen and unheard by the neighbors.
MOO.

No, I don't think we know he parked in the garage. I believe it's been said he was always sawing in the garage, so perhaps that was used as a workshop. Since he made notes to prep the room with plastic and push pins, it doesn't stretch my imagination to think he'd clean out enough space to use the garage.

I don't remember the garage being mention in his prep document, so maybe not.

However, if re-arranging the garage would have been too much work, the photos of his house offer suggestions of how the neighbors would not have seen him: on the left is a tall, thick hedge. There is a fence along the back with lush and tall growth on the garage end of the house in case victims were carried from the truck into the back of the house. The white privacy fence on the right of the house looks fairly new, so may not have been there in 10-15 years ago.

To me, the garage is a simple explanation. Even if there was not a door from garage into the house, the plantings around the house would have hidden him from the neighbors' sight. I think the victims were likely gagged before he moved them into the house. I wonder if they were also wrapped to prevent them losing hair or other DNA into the home environment?

P.S. Unfortunately the photo of the right side of the house is saving as something called a JFIL -- even though I'm trying for jpeg. So I can't show that side.

 

[CuriousCricket]

He offered to drive her to his home first. When she refused, he offered to drive her to her home.

Fortunately, she was smart enough to remove herself and to have an escort so she could not be followed and snatched. Don't you bet RH was fuming?

 

[Betty P]

Fortunately, she was smart enough to remove herself and to have an escort so she could not be followed and snatched. Don't you bet RH was fuming?

Since it was 2015, it may have been a while since he tried to lure a victim. Perhaps he decided to cease his trolling after the bodies at Gilgo Beach. He was probably out of practice.

 

[Izzylizzy]

So, Macedonio basically owes his ability to practice law to Spota. Spota is a key player in the systemic, institutionalized corruption in SC.

And with that origin story, Macedonio appeared like magic to start saying unkind things about both the investigation and Asa herself, whom he theoretically represented. ("She has to focus on her mental heath." Don't we all have to? But an announcement like that sounded to me like he was gaslighting her rather than representing her.)

Macedonio is theoretically representing Asa, but spends air time defending Rex and bashing John Ray. Note that the person who assembled the task force and oversaw its most productive months embraced John Ray's information and encouraged witnesses unwilling or unable to approach LE to approach John Ray.

One minor but irksome thing Macedonio said on Court TV was that the task force was assembled by Tierney. No, it was not! It was assembled by Commissioner Rodney Harrison. There was some tension between them, but in my opinion, Rodney Harrison's leadership highlighted all the best in Tierney. The kind words that I have for Tierney are because of Rodney Harrison. Rodney Harrison had a "no egos" rule which Macedonio violated.

The person who was most instrumental in identifying a suspect [Rex] to surveil and ultimately arrest was a State Trooper. Without Rodney Harrison's leadership, Tierney would not have had access to talent from agencies outside of Suffolk County.

IMO, Macedonio is trying to interfere with the investigation into LISK.

MOO

BBM:

IMO:
Macedonio was trying to garner sympathy for Asa.
Along with her health issues, no money because the breadwinner is gone and then with the condition LE left the hell hole in.

 

[CuriousCricket]

Replies here have made me wonder about home design with attached garages in the 1960s.
I've saved a couple of photos, but there are more available for the Googling.

 

[kittythehare]

Since it was 2015, it may have been a while since he tried to lure a victim. Perhaps he decided to cease his trolling after the bodies at Gilgo Beach. He was probably out of practice.

I don't believe he stopped killing at all. Remember , shortly after his arrest a woman said he emerged from some bushes in the middle of the day, dressed in strange (misleading>) clothes?

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

Is it known if he parked in the garage? It seems so small and with them being hoarders, I suspect it's packed full of stuff. His truck and jeep are not small either. There are photos of his vehicles parked on the street and driveway, and neighbors have reported the same. I do wonder how he got women into his home, unseen and unheard by the neighbors.
MOO.

I’ve been wondering the same Forest_Wood. If individuals were taken into the house……. and out….. how? With minimal chance to be observed.

IIRC someone way upthread mentioned that the circa 2012 Chevrolet Avalanche passenger compartment might have a rear pass-through to the covered rear compartment? Some call it a mid-gate. (As contrasted to a tail gate.) It allows access to the rear bed through the front compartment. The rear seats are first folded down and access is then gained.

Pretty sure access to YT videos is disallowed. If you Google ‘chevrolet avalanche rear seat fold down‘ or the like - there is a video from Ramey Chevrolet entitled “Chevy Avalanche Mid-gate demonstration” that demonstrates this in less than 2 minutes. (Note also in that video the removed rear glass is not properly secured as it should be before attempting this maneuver.)

RH driveway IIRC is about double vehicle wide, single narrow garage door…. If the victim was in the cab, then placed in the rear seat area and then rear covered tailgate compartment (via the above pass through fold down) - then backing the truck into driveway and could have had access to the garage via the opened tailgate. (From some other video of the quarters, I would be amazed if that small garage was empty….. or empty enough to contain that full-sized vehicle.)

And as I complete this, perhaps this is another reason RH wanted that vehicle IMO? MOO

 

[kittythehare]

I’ve been wondering the same Forest_Wood. If individuals were taken into the house……. and out….. how? With minimal chance to be observed.

IIRC someone way upthread mentioned that the circa 2012 Chevrolet Avalanche passenger compartment might have a rear pass-through to the covered rear compartment? Some call it a mid-gate. (As contrasted to a tail gate.) It allows access to the rear bed through the front compartment. The rear seats are first folded down and access is then gained.

Pretty sure access to YT videos is disallowed. If you Google ‘chevrolet avalanche rear seat fold down‘ or the like - there is a video from Ramey Chevrolet entitled “Chevy Avalanche Mid-gate demonstration” that demonstrates this in less than 2 minutes. (Note also in that video the removed rear glass is not properly secured as it should be before attempting this maneuver.)

RH driveway IIRC is about double vehicle wide, single narrow garage door…. If the victim was in the cab, then placed in the rear seat area and then rear covered tailgate compartment (via the above pass through fold down) - then backing the truck into driveway and could have had access to the garage via the opened tailgate. (From some other video of the quarters, I would be amazed if that small garage was empty….. or empty enough to contain that full-sized vehicle.)

And as I complete this, perhaps this is another reason RH wanted that vehicle IMO? MOO

Maybe but I reckon he had another lair.
he managed literally hundreds of buildings and had access to them all.
we had a shot at deciphering them at one stage, searching for an elusive abandoned building that was under or close to one he managed. It was like searching fr a needle in a haystack.. there were so many.

I'm not sure where that info is right now, somewhere in the thread..

Does anybody remember it?

 

[Izzylizzy]

Where else besides his house would RH have had the time,space, preparations and privacy?

I've wondered if he went right back to work after his Gilgo runs and was there some kind of euphoria or withdrawal that would have been noticeable to family and/or co-workers?

"The DA also revealed for the first time that it was possible Heuermann allegedly committed some of the murders inside of his Massapequa Park home he shared with his wife and kids."

Accused Gilgo killer indicted in murders of 2 more women, including previously unknown victim

The New York City architect arrested last year in connection with a string of cold case bodies found on Long Island’s Gilgo Beach has been charged with murder in the deaths of two more victims, including one whose name hadn’t been publicly associated with the investigation prior to Thursday...

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[Forest_Wood]

No, I don't think we know he parked in the garage. I believe it's been said he was always sawing in the garage, so perhaps that was used as a workshop. Since he made notes to prep the room with plastic and push pins, it doesn't stretch my imagination to think he'd clean out enough space to use the garage.

I don't remember the garage being mention in his prep document, so maybe not.

However, if re-arranging the garage would have been too much work, the photos of his house offer suggestions of how the neighbors would not have seen him: on the left is a tall, thick hedge. There is a fence along the back with lush and tall growth on the garage end of the house in case victims were carried from the truck into the back of the house. The white privacy fence on the right of the house looks fairly new, so may not have been there in 10-15 years ago.

To me, the garage is a simple explanation. Even if there was not a door from garage into the house, the plantings around the house would have hidden him from the neighbors' sight. I think the victims were likely gagged before he moved them into the house. I wonder if they were also wrapped to prevent them losing hair or other DNA into the home environment?

P.S. Unfortunately the photo of the right side of the house is saving as something called a JFIL -- even though I'm trying for jpeg. So I can't show that side.

You’ve got me thinking he could have backed his truck right up to the garage door and pulled them from his covered bed right into the garage and his workshop!
MOO

 

[Izzylizzy]

Yes he was arrested because LE reported they feared he was planning another hunt/kill. He purchased another burner phone. And perhaps they knew his family was planning on going on vacation imo.

Also I had read that all those investigating him were never to mention his name and if necessary he was referred to by his initials.
The Grand Jury didn't know his name and I'm not sure if his initials were ever said.
They were really afraid of leaks and rightfully so.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Aug.27,2023
45 days after RH's arrest and Asa and
VH & CS had yet to be interviewed.
Why is that?
Are we to gather that AE/family has never been interviewed 11 months later?

“She knew nothing about any of this,” Mr. Macedonio said in a phone interview. “If it happened, he was leading a complete double life.”

Mr. Macedonio said that investigators had never interviewed Ms. Ellerup or the couple’s children and that there was no indication they would be charged.

“She hasn’t even begun to process what he’s being charged with,” Mr. Macedonio said. “She’s still putting her own life back together.”

Once Rarely Seen, Gilgo Beach Suspect’s Family Now Barbecues on the Lawn (Published 2023)

After Rex Heuermann was charged in a notorious string of murders, neighbors assumed his wife and children would vanish. They haven’t.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Teche]

Following along daily, but I still miss some things.
In reference to the photo of RH working on tablet with left hand, holding what we assume to be a beer in paper bag, in the right hand.
Has there been any mention of RH having other addictions in addition to the obvious.
Wondering if he is also an alcoholic. Or other drugs. Just curious.
It seems serial killers usually have multiple substance addictions .

So brazen to be drinking a beer on public transportation.