Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[minazoe]

once convicted his DNA is going to Codis...he must have felt so smug, all this time no one knew his little secret..mOO

 

[kittythehare]

Good question.

Heaven (or hell) only knows how he might have rid his torture chamber of any lingering odors IF he adhered to his list of no air/sound in and no air/sound out, and at least used kitty litter (although I'm not sure exactly how effective kitty litter is on smells). Maybe he learned of other methods to aerate the basement? You'd think someone would smell something "off" but ??? Also, even if he took bodies to one of his storage units for an interim period ... one would assume there would be a smell. Maybe he used refrigeration/a freezer at some point in time??

Kitty litter would do nothing except absorb fluids, Maybe that is why he used it.
I think he had another place. I really do. A fridge is a possibility.

 

[kittythehare]

Wouldn't someone notice the smell?!
The neighbors?

That would take a few days, maybe longer in the winter.

 

[Just K]

Jamie Seymour also disappeared in July.

Thanks, I just brushed the surface on the possibles. I am noticing a trend as to the ones I suspect him of being responsible for- there are a lot of mid to late Novembers and around holiday weekends.
ETA: Jamie was last heard from on July 22, 2005. She called her father and said she was at the Zport Authority.

 

[fred&edna]

How many ocean-access roads exist on Ocean Parkway? Is it legal to drive on any of the beaches? Are there "legit" or not-usually-monitored parking areas where you might leave your vehicle and walk on foot? 'Just wondering if he possibly re-visited the bodies in this manner.

 

[willy wagtail]

Good question.

Heaven (or hell) only knows how he might have rid his torture chamber of any lingering odors IF he adhered to his list of no air/sound in and no air/sound out, and at least used kitty litter (although I'm not sure exactly how effective kitty litter is on smells). Maybe he learned of other methods to aerate the basement? You'd think someone would smell something "off" but ??? Also, even if he took bodies to one of his storage units for an interim period ... one would assume there would be a smell. Maybe he used refrigeration/a freezer at some point in time??

jmo

Get cadaver dogs in both areas

 

[Izzylizzy]

So, Macedonio basically owes his ability to practice law to Spota. Spota is a key player in the systemic, institutionalized corruption in SC.

And with that origin story, Macedonio appeared like magic to start saying unkind things about both the investigation and Asa herself, whom he theoretically represented. ("She has to focus on her mental heath." Don't we all have to? But an announcement like that sounded to me like he was gaslighting her rather than representing her.)

Macedonio is theoretically representing Asa, but spends air time defending Rex and bashing John Ray. Note that the person who assembled the task force and oversaw its most productive months embraced John Ray's information and encouraged witnesses unwilling or unable to approach LE to approach John Ray.

One minor but irksome thing Macedonio said on Court TV was that the task force was assembled by Tierney. No, it was not! It was assembled by Commissioner Rodney Harrison. There was some tension between them, but in my opinion, Rodney Harrison's leadership highlighted all the best in Tierney. The kind words that I have for Tierney are because of Rodney Harrison. Rodney Harrison had a "no egos" rule which Macedonio violated.

The person who was most instrumental in identifying a suspect [Rex] to surveil and ultimately arrest was a State Trooper. Without Rodney Harrison's leadership, Tierney would not have had access to talent from agencies outside of Suffolk County.

IMO, Macedonio is trying to interfere with the investigation into LISK.

MOO

I always thought Macedonio saying he's calling Brown as questionable.
I'm curious what this back-channel communications end-game may be between the lawyers of the accused serial killer and his supporting wife?
What did Macedonio know about the "basement" and from who did he get the info from?

"Mr Macedonio said he wasn’t “at liberty to discuss” why exactly he believed investigators focused on the basement. But said he planned to notify Heuermann’s defense attorney, Michael Brown, of Central Islip, of what he observed in the house."

Search of Gilgo Beach serial killer suspect’s home zeroed in on basement

The second search of the Massapequa Park home lasted for six days with investigators seen removing dozens of evidence boxes each day

www.independent.co.uk

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/McKinneys-NY-CLS-CPL-230.20-Venue-Change.pdf

? Yes, i previously posted the link to 230.20 Venue Change

 

[fred&edna]

Get cadaver dogs in both areas

Ya know... I'm surprised they didn't in either search! Or if they did, I missed it. Surely they had enough evidence prior to obtaining the 2nd search warrant.

jmo

 

[Ruminations]

If it’s determined that he killed Andre Jamal aka Sugar Bear, his skull had a bullet hole near his temple.

Apparently, his target shooting was pretty weak. But murders are very different from target shooting

MOO

 

[Skhuter]

Jamie Seymour also disappeared in July.

Last seen heading to port authority

 

[Ruminations]

Thanks for your reply.
I had asked because Macedonio said " investigators had never interviewed Ms. Ellerup or the couple’s children" making it sound like they could have but chose not to.


"Mr. Macedonio said that investigators had never interviewed Ms. Ellerup or the couple’s children and that there was no indication they would be charged."

Right- I see that as "She's not talking until you charge her or put her on the witness stand. And by the way, she's not talking if you charge her, either, but we welcome the discovery."

MOO

 

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Interesting and maybe useful in the future?

 

[AcousticViper]

Is there a tip line still open for this case?

 

[Izzylizzy]

Is there a tip line still open for this case?

Ray Tierney said at the last presser that the investigation is ongoing so that would indicate it welcomes tips.
I would say that tips are always welcome whether the case is open, frozen or dropped for whatever reason.

 

[eishish]

Well, to me, that makes no sense. I watched the video. I heard his former employee say he can spell, he wouldn't write anything like this, and it was a speech-to-text or other software that made it come out so bad.

No software (spellchecker, speech-to-text, speech recognition, etc.) is going to end up with this many spelling errors that are this bad! IMO. If you're talking out a text, and software is "typing" it out, if it doesn't recognize a word you have said, it won't output a non-word or a jumble of letters that aren't any real word. It will do its best and put a REAL word that is the closest it comes up with to what you said, and the real word will not be misspelled. It won't even use a phonetically-spelled non-word, but even if it did, that would mean RH THOROUGHLY MISPRONOUNCED the words we see that are misspelled. I do NOT think he pronounced disorganized as "disoriginizazized" or however he mangled that word! But even if he did pronounce it like that (impossible, imo) as I said, the software wouldn't take what he said and output a phonetically-spelled non-word that is its best representation of the word he said. In fact, if he said it like that, it would probably just put "disorganized". But he wasn't badly mispronouncing his words anyway imo, so that's moot.

It seems obvious to me that he was NOT using speech-to-text, as this former employee of his thinks. I see no way that that would produce a text that looks like this one, with all the misspellings and non-words that it has in it. I think if she thought about it, she would agree too. They just don't work like that, and they didn't even way back then. She was so sure of herself too that he could never have written this doc in this way that we're seeing it, so I think it's obvious she just didn't think that opinion through enough!

So I don't agree with her that it looks like such a mess due to him using speech recognition software or anything like that. I don't think, as she does, that it's the fault of ANY software at all. Because even if he was typing it in himself, not speaking it, and he misspelled it even that badly, spellcheck or autocorrect-type software would look for a REAL word that is closest to whatever he typed, and would either suggest that as a correction, or autocorrect it to a REAL correctly-spelled word. It may give the WRONG word, but it will be a correctly-spelled recognizable word, not a misspelled word. Not a non-word. And there are a lot of non-words in this document.

I think it's obvious that what that means is that he really was this bad of a speller, at least when writing something where spelling didn't matter! Something that either was unimportant or trivial, say like a shopping list, or something that only he would be reading, like (he hoped) this document. He might very well have known the correct spelling of the word "plastic" and "evidence", for example, but when he typed in "platic" and "evindice", he just left it because that was good enough. He knew what he meant. And so do we, in fact!

I think it just shows that at work, he used spellcheck and/or other editing software for documents that mattered, things people other than him would be reading. Or perhaps, he did manage without software help, by just taking his time, checking his work, correcting errors, and editing so that mistakes were minimal so that others would have no problem when reading it. And so that he looked professional. Which is all this lady in the video must have ever seen. Nothing she'd seen him do at work had these kinds of misspellings and so many of them! So that made her say he doesn't write like this, he can spell better than this, it must have been software making these errors. Which I think is dumb. No software will leave these errors unless you have turned it off! Or changed your settings so that it doesn't correct things, which would make the software useless. And certainly no speech-to-text software will take something you SAY and output something like "dumster" or "tourture" or "originanized"! Which is what she said had happened. That's why I said that was a dumb thing to say and that she must not have given that enough thought before she said it. I think he just made sure it looked right when it mattered, and that's all she ever saw. Until she saw this "kill planner" thing. Where the errors didn't matter. IMO.

Maybe drunk, maybe cared only at work, possibly it was just good enuff...have many typos myself

 

[snooptroop88]

Perhaps, when he was driving a woman somewhere, suddenly and without warning he used his big hammy right hand to throw a punch into the side of her head to knock her out to be transferred either into the house (if he pushed victims down into the floor boards) or to the back of the pickup where they were locked up. With the design of the Avalanche allowing the driver to see into the truck bed, he could keep an eye on them. Again, if they were out-of-sight in the truck, he simply had to pull into his garage and put the door down before unloading them into the house.

Can absolutely picture that. Is there a door connecting to the house from the garage? I would think probably? Agreed that makes things a little more interesting. But first off, everything about RH is bizarre and maybe there's no interior connecting door. Second, as already noted earlier on here, look at the size of that garage v that truck. Would it fit? Third, again already noted, they're hoarders, it's got to be packed with junk. BUT agreed that to make his twisted plan a reality, he'd probably purge it.

But if he has to knock someone out with a hit, he's got to do it in a pretty remote place. Why then leave the remote place to return to a more populated one inviting the scrutiny of potentially curious neighbors? Yes, convenience of tools nearby and so forth, but there's actually not "complete control" of that location. It's in a pretty densely populated area. And I'm still wondering about his note about controlling air in and out instead of just saying, you know, close the windows. The idea of controlling the air in and out reminds me of a Doomsday Prepper structure. And also, okay, under "Problems," we have "Photos?" Why the "?" If he's got the film, and he's in the house, photos are no issue. But if he were in some primitive/makeshift structure in the woods, a cabin, some kind of underground space, he might have to run power to the structure for light from either his truck or a generator on the truck. And maybe at certain points he has to power other devices. Low power, no light. No light, no photos. And if this was more than one actor, maybe there are concerns about photos amongst the criminal actors.

That truck was definitely helpful to him in his horrors, no doubt about it. But I'm positive if he struck these victims physically, it was in some remote location. And I think if he could have done so, he'd rather remain there than return home. Easier to move tools in his truck than potentially having to maneuver around curious neighbors, jmo. With all this said, though, am thinking more RH documents are going to be unearthed and we're going to find out more. I have no doubt at some point he may have killed in that house, but I doubt it's a pattern because there's no way I think he had the restraint to wait it out between "family vacations." So anything's possible right now, and just watching and waiting, and not committed to any one idea. Sandra Costilla turning out to be RH's victim has been such a stunning turn of events, and it really is forcing kind of a re-evaluation with JB and the Manorville connection. LE does seem to think RH was doing this in the house, so am waiting to see what turns up from their recent search of house/basement. Maybe RH did the deeds in the house, but maybe not, jmo.

 

[Forest_Wood]

And also, okay, under "Problems," we have "Photos?" Why the "?" If he's got the film, and he's in the house, photos are no issue.

I wonder if it was under Problems if someone else took photos of his truck parked along the highway or of him going about his activities. Like that person who took a pic of him on the train ... why would a person take a pic of another on the train if they didn't find something unusual about him (maybe the beer?). But if he thought someone was snapping a pic of him or his truck along the highway or somewhere, then that would be a big problem.
MOO.

 

[eishish]

Can absolutely picture that. Is there a door connecting to the house from the garage? I would think probably? Agreed that makes things a little more interesting. But first off, everything about RH is bizarre and maybe there's no interior connecting door. Second, as already noted earlier on here, look at the size of that garage v that truck. Would it fit? Third, again already noted, they're hoarders, it's got to be packed with junk. BUT agreed that to make his twisted plan a reality, he'd probably purge it.

But if he has to knock someone out with a hit, he's got to do it in a pretty remote place. Why then leave the remote place to return to a more populated one inviting the scrutiny of potentially curious neighbors? Yes, convenience of tools nearby and so forth, but there's actually not "complete control" of that location. It's in a pretty densely populated area. And I'm still wondering about his note about controlling air in and out instead of just saying, you know, close the windows. The idea of controlling the air in and out reminds me of a Doomsday Prepper structure. And also, okay, under "Problems," we have "Photos?" Why the "?" If he's got the film, and he's in the house, photos are no issue. But if he were in some primitive/makeshift structure in the woods, a cabin, some kind of underground space, he might have to run power to the structure for light from either his truck or a generator on the truck. And maybe at certain points he has to power other devices. Low power, no light. No light, no photos. And if this was more than one actor, maybe there are concerns about photos amongst the criminal actors.

That truck was definitely helpful to him in his horrors, no doubt about it. But I'm positive if he struck these victims physically, it was in some remote location. And I think if he could have done so, he'd rather remain there than return home. Easier to move tools in his truck than potentially having to maneuver around curious neighbors, jmo. With all this said, though, am thinking more RH documents are going to be unearthed and we're going to find out more. I have no doubt at some point he may have killed in that house, but I doubt it's a pattern because there's no way I think he had the restraint to wait it out between "family vacations." So anything's possible right now, and just watching and waiting, and not committed to any one idea. Sandra Costilla turning out to be RH's victim has been such a stunning turn of events, and it really is forcing kind of a re-evaluation with JB and the Manorville connection. LE does seem to think RH was doing this in the house, so am waiting to see what turns up from their recent search of house/basement. Maybe RH did the deeds in the house, but maybe not, jmo.

Was thinking maybe he lured them into home w promise of double rate?

 

[Ruminations]

I wonder if it was under Problems if someone else took photos of his truck parked along the highway or of him going about his activities. Like that person who took a pic of him on the train ... why would a person take a pic of another on the train if they didn't find something unusual about him (maybe the beer?). But if he thought someone was snapping a pic of him or his truck along the highway or somewhere, then that would be a big problem.
MOO.

I think that picture was a random surreptitious social media snap by someone who rudely posted something about taking Rex's appearance as an object lesson about eating right and exercising.

How bizarre. Years later, Rex was arrested, and the person was like, that's the guy on the train!

MOO