Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[eishish]

I think it was him.

But that is just an amateur opinion.

I bet LE knows definitively.

MOO

What the heck # did he use?

 

[Onlyguessing23]

For those who still think RH’s "Thawk080672" may be referencing a location with "Tomahawk," here's something kind of interesting. A profile of Red Tomahawk was on the highway signs in all of North Dakota from 1923-2016. Here's what that would have looked like:
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Probably pretty memorable for someone who roadtripped through NDakota at any point. Checked into North Dakota unsolved cases and found Michele Julson reported missing from Bismarck Aug 5 1994, 5'6" 155lbs Last seen at her grandfather's 8/2. But someone thought they did see her afterwards: "She was reportedly seen by a friend at WeFest, an outdoor country music festival in Detroit Lakes, Minnesota, on August 5; she was allegedly in the company of a man named 'Tom' who drove a black four-by-four Chevrolet”

1990DFND - Michele May Julson

www.doenetwork.org

In light of what we know about RH, that's kind of creepy, so I wondered about the 08/06/72. 08/06 would have been the day after she was spotted (maybe?) at this music festival in MN with "Tom" who had a dark 4x4 Chevy. But what about the "72" in this scenario? That's not her dob. There is an Enchanted Highway in NDakota, and it's a must-see for roadtrippers. Source: "Located in western North Dakota, these larger-than-life roadside attractions span a 32-mile stretch of highway and are truly a sight to behold.... this collection of scrap metal sculptures draws thousands of visitors to rural North Dakota each year." A couple of these massive sculptures would already have been up in 1994, and I have no doubt any tourist traveling through saw them. Over the years, many more were added, including this one at exit72/Gladstone ND (erected 2001):
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With RH’s extensive travels and interests in duck hunting, I can’t help but wonder about this. Enchanted Highway is just over an hour away from Bismarck, and it is desolate. Probably the reason they have these enormous structures is they know how seldom those passing through would ever get out of their vehicles. This particular statue wouldn’t have been up in ’94, but he may have seen it or read about it since, and a couple of the other statues were up in ‘94.

Michele Julson worked as a blackjack dealer, just as Maureen Brainard Barnes had. MBB was for a time a blackjack dealer at Foxwoods casino in AC. It's curious.

Your theory is particularly compelling to me.
In keeping with the idea that he may have traveled, I found a few cases in the NY State database that might be part of a pattern, involving the towns:
Wallkill, NY
Killawog, NY
Hunter, NY (near Hunter-Westkill Wilderness) (Hunter was also listed as one of his account names)

Wallkill victim was Megan McDonald, 3/15/2003. RH listed Megan as a target in his document (T-1).

Homicide Victim: McDonald, Megan

On 03/15/03, Megan McDonald, age 20, was found murdered in a field in the Town of Wallkill, Orange County, New York.

troopers.ny.gov

Megan McDonald Murder: Arrest Made in 20-Year Cold Case Killing of NYPD Detective's Daughter

A 42-year-old New York man has been arrested in the 2003 murder of Megan McDonald, whose baffling case featured on “Dateline” ahead of the solemn 20-year anniversary of her death. New York State Police announced Thursday that Edward Holley, of Wawayanda in Orange County, had been charged with...

www.nbcnewyork.com

Killawog victim Bethanie Dougherty, 4/1/2008 - this struck me:

“A mid- to late-1990s Chevrolet S-10 pickup truck was sighted near Dougherty's home at around the time she disappeared, but it's unclear whether it was related to her case“

Bethanie Lynne Dougherty – The Charley Project

Hunter, NY victim 8/15/2002 unidentified remains.

Unidentified: Town of Hunter, Greene County

Remains Found: 08/15/2002 Location: Platte Clove Rd Hunter, New York

troopers.ny.gov

I may have ventured too far here (in many ways). Feel free to reel me back in.

 

[snarast]

I think it was him.

But that is just an amateur opinion.

I bet LE knows definitively.

MOO

Yep, some people can change their affects to a great extent. plus body positioning and health will have an effect on the sound produced as well.

Total amateur here too.

 

[Deleted member 117884]

Your theory is particularly compelling to me.
In keeping with the idea that he may have traveled, I found a few cases in the NY State database that might be part of a pattern, involving the towns:
Wallkill, NY
Killawog, NY
Hunter, NY (near Hunter-Westkill Wilderness) (Hunter was also listed as one of his account names)

Wallkill victim was Megan McDonald, 3/15/2003. RH listed Megan as a target in his document (T-1).

Homicide Victim: McDonald, Megan

On 03/15/03, Megan McDonald, age 20, was found murdered in a field in the Town of Wallkill, Orange County, New York.

troopers.ny.gov

Megan McDonald Murder: Arrest Made in 20-Year Cold Case Killing of NYPD Detective's Daughter

A 42-year-old New York man has been arrested in the 2003 murder of Megan McDonald, whose baffling case featured on “Dateline” ahead of the solemn 20-year anniversary of her death. New York State Police announced Thursday that Edward Holley, of Wawayanda in Orange County, had been charged with...

www.nbcnewyork.com

Killawog victim Bethanie Dougherty, 4/1/2008 - this struck me:

“A mid- to late-1990s Chevrolet S-10 pickup truck was sighted near Dougherty's home at around the time she disappeared, but it's unclear whether it was related to her case“

Bethanie Lynne Dougherty – The Charley Project

Hunter, NY victim 8/15/2002 unidentified remains.

Unidentified: Town of Hunter, Greene County

Remains Found: 08/15/2002 Location: Platte Clove Rd Hunter, New York

troopers.ny.gov

I may have ventured too far here (in many ways). Feel free to reel me back in.

There are several place names "kill" in NY. It's from an old Dutch word (the early European settlers were Dutch in this area) that means "stream."

Maybe the word thrilled him, but it doesn't actually mean "kill."

jmo

 

[Ruminations]

So this ("after" in plain view)...

In here, right? "before" (Is it just to the viewer's right of the tiny greenhouse in the corner?)

Hidden in the trees. There's something to wonder about.

I am looking again at these pics-

This garden is impressive- but it's strange how orderly it is. And it's not just the crops- the hoses are coiled...it looks amazing!

Even that interior pic from a Christmas past, which was probably somewhat staged, shows less orderliness than this back garden.

It's such a contrast to indoors. And reportedly, it's a contrast to Rex's car. One of his associates told the press his car was piled with garbage.

What this means- if anything at all- I don't know. But what a tidy back yard.

I don't know who the gardener is. I never heard in the litany of complaints any fussing over the damage to the green houses and the back yard, which hints that Rex was the gardener? OTOH, I think some potted flowers were added to the front area after Rex was incarcerated. So who knows?

I think a neighbor gossiped that the family "used" Asa's son for yard work.

MOO

 

[LadyL]

I think the accent matches, but that just pinpoints the caller as someone from Long Island. I don't think it's impossible that the caller is RH, but I'm not 100% convinced. It's eerie though.

jmo

I agree that really might be him. When I listened to RH's voice in his architectural interview, I even wondered then because I'd already seen "Killing Season." Could be. Grateful to @dotr posting this here because usually I have to pull the clips separately. Certain bits of wording sound like RH. And he undoubtedly tried to alter his voice to some extent. If they had a phone number to call him back, will that phone turn up in RH's mountain of seized devices?

Has it already and we simply don't know yet?

that's exactly what me and my husband felt

 

[Adrian33]

I am looking again at these pics-

This garden is impressive- but it's strange how orderly it is. And it's not just the crops- the hoses are coiled...it looks amazing!

Even that interior pic from a Christmas past, which was probably somewhat staged, shows less orderliness than this back garden.

It's such a contrast to indoors. And reportedly, it's a contrast to Rex's car. One of his associates told the press his car was piled with garbage.

What this means- if anything at all- I don't know. But what a tidy back yard.

I don't know who the gardener is. I never heard in the litany of complaints any fussing over the damage to the green houses and the back yard, which hints that Rex was the gardener? OTOH, I think some potted flowers were added to the front area after Rex was incarcerated. So who knows?

I think a neighbor gossiped that the family "used" Asa's son for yard work.

MOO

Yup, as of 2018, in the transcripts from when he got hit by the car, he says he’s never had a gardener, that he and the kids do the yard work, and the son pushes the lawnmower.

 

[Deleted member 117884]

I am looking again at these pics-

This garden is impressive- but it's strange how orderly it is. And it's not just the crops- the hoses are coiled...it looks amazing!

Even that interior pic from a Christmas past, which was probably somewhat staged, shows less orderliness than this back garden.

It's such a contrast to indoors. And reportedly, it's a contrast to Rex's car. One of his associates told the press his car was piled with garbage.

What this means- if anything at all- I don't know. But what a tidy back yard.

I don't know who the gardener is. I never heard in the litany of complaints any fussing over the damage to the green houses and the back yard, which hints that Rex was the gardener? OTOH, I think some potted flowers were added to the front area after Rex was incarcerated. So who knows?

I think a neighbor gossiped that the family "used" Asa's son for yard work.

MOO

I think his wife was the gardener, but I might be just assuming that. I am guessing the backyard was her sanctuary. Maybe he built some of the structures for her. ?

jmo

 

[dotr]

Tidbits from lengthy article.

NY Firefighter: How I Realized My Neighbor Was a Suspected Serial Killer

Firefighter Etienne de Villiers spent three decades living next door to Rex Heuermann, who would later become notorious as the suspected Gilgo Beach serial killer.

www.thedailybeast.com

Michael Daly​

Jul. 06, 2024
''Heuermann invariably made reference to his size.

“Every time, you’d talk to the guy, he’d throw that in; ‘Me being six-five, 250,’” de Villiers recalled.''
Heuermann asked de Villiers several times if he played cards. De Villiers lied and said no.''

''De Villiers recalled that Heuermann had two or three friends who came by occasionally early on, but they were scruffier than typical Massapequa residents, many of whom are cops and other firefighters.
“They seemed a pretty low life type,” de Villiers said. “You could pick them up and put them in a trailer park.”

''During a few random encounters, de Villiers found Craig to be “a nasty and mean .” Heuermann was by the firefighter’s experience “kind of a wuss.”

''He saw Christopher preparing to cut it with an antiquated rotary mower that looked considerably older than Christopher himself.
De Villiers had learned over the years that the son was not fond of physical labor, and the lawn seemed a challenge. The firefighter’s heart went out to the son of the accused serial killer.''

 

[Deleted member 117884]

Tidbits from lengthy article.

NY Firefighter: How I Realized My Neighbor Was a Suspected Serial Killer

Firefighter Etienne de Villiers spent three decades living next door to Rex Heuermann, who would later become notorious as the suspected Gilgo Beach serial killer.

www.thedailybeast.com

Michael Daly​

Jul. 06, 2024
''Heuermann invariably made reference to his size.

“Every time, you’d talk to the guy, he’d throw that in; ‘Me being six-five, 250,’” de Villiers recalled.''
Heuermann asked de Villiers several times if he played cards. De Villiers lied and said no.''

''De Villiers recalled that Heuermann had two or three friends who came by occasionally early on, but they were scruffier than typical Massapequa residents, many of whom are cops and other firefighters.
“They seemed a pretty low life type,” de Villiers said. “You could pick them up and put them in a trailer park.”

''During a few random encounters, de Villiers found Craig to be “a nasty and mean *advertiser censored*.” Heuermann was by the firefighter’s experience “kind of a wuss.”

''He saw Christopher preparing to cut it with an antiquated rotary mower that looked considerably older than Christopher himself.
De Villiers had learned over the years that the son was not fond of physical labor, and the lawn seemed a challenge. The firefighter’s heart went out to the son of the accused serial killer.''

The rotary mower was likely older than Rex, let alone older than Christopher. My dad had a rotary mower too that he "inherited" from my grandfather - and I'm around Rex' age. I remember my older siblings pooling their money to buy a gas-powered mower when they were teenagers, lol.

I bet that mower was the same one Rex used in the same yard as a kid. No upgrades for his family over the years at that house.

jmo

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

Asa's comments were neutral at first. At least the quote is, although Rodney Harrison described more emotion that the words do, when separated from a voice.

It is strange to go over a year from "It is what it is," to "He's not capable."

There is so much information in the media and the charging documents. I would think it's more natural to go from "He's not capable," to "It is what it is," over time than the other way around.

Or to go from "He's not capable," to "He is being framed/scapgoated."

I could see going from "It is what it is," (IIWII) to "He did very bad things," because to me it's a progression from denial to acceptance of the information. But to go from IIWII to "he's not capable" doesn't feel like a natural progression. Nobody has to start in denial that a person is not capable. None of the information that has come out between July 13 2023 and today would contribute to the theory that Rex is not capable. The information that would support that hypothesis would have been prior to the date she said "IIWII."

MOO

Yes, this seems to be on the mark. And IMO much of what the spouse and the lawyer says could be influenced by the impending ‘docu-drama’ in which the spouse is supposed to appear. And for that reason I am not inclined to put much stock in what is said publicly by them or on their behalf. Perhaps much more will be clear once court filings and other evidence and investigation proceeds. MOO

 

[Just K]

On a hunch, I tried to find a murder victim whose birthday was 080672. I have ruled out Karen Vergata, Rita, Colleen, Sandra, Valerie Mack, and the GB4 as well as Jessica. I looked at missing/murdered cases for LI 1992- thinking that he might kill a 20 year old. I have yet to find anyone. That number meant something to him because he used it as a fictitious birthday for Andy Roberts to get the Hunter email as well as part of the thawk080672 email account.
My guess, if I were to speculate, would be whoever this date refers to could be the B-day for his first murder victim. Or it’s a date that he first witnessed a murder. He would’ve been about 10 or 11 on August 6, 1972. Then again, maybe it was his first big hunting trip. I’ll keep digging.

 

[eishish]

On a hunch, I tried to find a murder victim whose birthday was 080672. I have ruled out Karen Vergata, Rita, Colleen, Sandra, Valerie Mack, and the GB4 as well as Jessica. I looked at missing/murdered cases for LI 1992- thinking that he might kill a 20 year old. I have yet to find anyone. That number meant something to him because he used it as a fictitious birthday for Andy Roberts to get the Hunter email as well as part of the thawk080672 email account.
My guess, if I were to speculate, would be whoever this date refers to could be the B-day for his first murder victim. Or it’s a date that he first witnessed a murder. He would’ve been about 10 or 11 on August 6, 1972. Then again, maybe it was his first big hunting trip. I’ll keep digging.

He was born feb 13, 64, some list him as sept, as quoted below correcting me, 8 yrs behind is 72. Hunting sounds good. Def was important to him. Will check andy, roberts birth months and year. I figured thawk means hit, andy his middle name, the andy, roberts body finders...also, he could have started 1st grade in 8, 6, 72

 

[DS2021]

The Killing Season (TV Series 2016) - Full cast & crew - IMDb

The Killing Season (TV Series 2016) - Cast and crew credits, including actors, actresses, directors, writers and more.

www.imdb.com

The Killing Season (2016)​

Full Cast & Crew​

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"The Killing Season" Danse Macabre (TV Episode 2016) - Full cast & crew - IMDb

"The Killing Season" Danse Macabre (TV Episode 2016) - Cast and crew credits, including actors, actresses, directors, writers and more.

www.imdb.com

The Killing Season (TV Series)​

Danse Macabre (2016)​

Full Cast & Crew​

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Danse Macabre​

• Folge lief am 19. Nov. 2016
• TV-14
• 42 Min.
• In the wake of Shannan Gilbert's funeral, family lawyer John Ray presents Josh and Rachel with confidential testimony that implicates a local doctor and Oak Beach resident in the death of the young escort.

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What is this AND in 2016 already? Look at the cast: without pic - RH - Self (voice) (rumored).

Anyone can edit imdb

 

[eishish]

I can't watch the video right now. What is groundbreaking? tia

Groundbreaking in 2018, created to id sex traffic, the multi juris task force. Sorry took forever. It was misunderstood by a member, my response

 

[Just K]

He was born 64, 8 yrs behind is 72. Hunting sounds good. Def was important to him. Will check andy, roberts birth months and year. I figured thawk means hit, andy his middle name, the andy, roberts body finders...also, he could have started 1st grade in 8, 6, 72

He was born Sept 1963 and graduated HS in 1981. He is currently 60 years and 10 months old.

 

[Just K]

Here’s an interesting tidbit. A Derrick Decker was associated with his mom’s 18 Zephyr Rd address in Palmyra, VA. https://www.fastpeoplesearch.com/address/18-zephyr-rd_palmyra-va-22963

 

[eishish]

He was born Sept 1963 and graduated HS in 1981. He is currently 60 years and 10 moths

He was born Sept 1963 and graduated HS in 1981. He is currently 60 years and 10 months old.

Multi listings as birth date are given

 

[snooptroop88]

On a hunch, I tried to find a murder victim whose birthday was 080672. I have ruled out Karen Vergata, Rita, Colleen, Sandra, Valerie Mack, and the GB4 as well as Jessica. I looked at missing/murdered cases for LI 1992- thinking that he might kill a 20 year old. I have yet to find anyone. That number meant something to him because he used it as a fictitious birthday for Andy Roberts to get the Hunter email as well as part of the thawk080672 email account.
My guess, if I were to speculate, would be whoever this date refers to could be the B-day for his first murder victim. Or it’s a date that he first witnessed a murder. He would’ve been about 10 or 11 on August 6, 1972. Then again, maybe it was his first big hunting trip. I’ll keep digging.

Same here, I've also checked for missing individuals dob, it's not always available. If RH is a Cottingham follower, Cottingham supposedly confessed (don't know that it's believed) to the murder of Jeanette DePalma. But regardless of the Cottingham factor, Jeannette DePalma's was a highly publicized case when it occurred. She was reported missing Aug 7, 1972. She was murdered in Springfield Township, NJ. I've located no dob for a murder victim or missing individual with 08/06/1972. Have wondered if the entire 080672 sequence could be a reference to a postal code, a phone number, something with an address. I've wondered if the numbers are something of a mix with the Aug 6 referring to the date of the murder and the "72" something completely different, maybe a route/highway/interstate or address related number. Have wondered if it's a relative of RH's dob. Or maybe the date of a relative's death. RH would be about 9 yo in 1972

08067 is a postal code in NJ, and it's in a very rural area with desolate pockets. Pretty sure the Delaware River ends in that postal code.

So far, my best guess is the 080672 is a mix. Maybe the August 6 is date of murder, the "72" could be the year of victim's birth, something related to an address, no way to know. I'd wonder if the 72 might not reference a route or highway exit number.

 

[Onlyguessing23]

Same here, I've also checked for missing individuals dob, it's not always available. If RH is a Cottingham follower, Cottingham supposedly confessed (don't know that it's believed) to the murder of Jeanette DePalma. But regardless of the Cottingham factor, Jeannette DePalma's was a highly publicized case when it occurred. She was reported missing Aug 7, 1972. She was murdered in Springfield Township, NJ. I've located no dob for a murder victim or missing individual with 08/06/1972. Have wondered if the entire 080672 sequence could be a reference to a postal code, a phone number, something with an address. I've wondered if the numbers are something of a mix with the Aug 6 referring to the date of the murder and the "72" something completely different, maybe a route/highway/interstate or address related number. Have wondered if it's a relative of RH's dob. Or maybe the date of a relative's death. RH would be about 9 yo in 1972

08067 is a postal code in NJ, and it's in a very rural area with desolate pockets. Pretty sure the Delaware River ends in that postal code.

So far, my best guess is the 080672 is a mix. Maybe the August 6 is date of murder, the "72" could be the year of victim's birth, something related to an address, no way to know. I'd wonder if the 72 might not reference a route or highway exit number.

I looked -to the best of my ability - for anything with this sequence in NY building codes. Nothing.

I know nothing about guns, but 8672 is a Ruger model.